earlthe pearl
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I would cut the 12 in bump the 1 with some authority,and shoot the 11 and 8 in the same pocket.
How Would You Play This? 4/20/09
- Thread starter Jude Rosenstock
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The problem, as Celtic has been quick to point out, you're leaving your opponent SOOOOOOOOOO many options to work with and only one real problem.
Another problem as well is, if your opponent continues to play defense with you for a few innings, they'll likely maintain awareness of what you'll need to break out the 8ball. They may even reposition the 8ball to a spot where it becomes impossible for stripes to win in a single inning. Playing any sort of defense here is to assume your opponent is weak and/or aggressive and short-sighted. I mean, it's okay to think this at times but you're taking a chance, IMO.
I didn't get a chance to read all the suggestions, but here's mine.
I would shoot the twelve and try to move the one, this looks very doable, this should open the path for the eight ball to the same pocket. Trying to move the eight could be disastrous by getting hooked on the eleven or putting the eight in a worse location . If I fail to move the one then there is always the bank on the eight to where the six is. The six makes the pocket pretty big. (especially on the bar table)
I agree that you need to continue with the run and not consider a safety. You have gone too far to abort the run.
I would shoot the twelve and try to move the one, this looks very doable, this should open the path for the eight ball to the same pocket. Trying to move the eight could be disastrous by getting hooked on the eleven or putting the eight in a worse location . If I fail to move the one then there is always the bank on the eight to where the six is. The six makes the pocket pretty big. (especially on the bar table)
I agree that you need to continue with the run and not consider a safety. You have gone too far to abort the run.
You're right.
I think I've been playing too much APA.
Well, that brings up a very interesting thing about 8ball. There is this constant swing between using defense versus offense. You can listen to two s/l 6s talk about playing safe that no s/l 7 would ever consider. It is mildly ironic how the spectrum begins and ends at the same place. Playing even, s/l 2s are instructed to make balls whenever possible with little regard for defense. s/l 7s pretty much play with the same strategy. Everything in between is regularly mixing in the defense.
Are you referring to the possibility that the cueball may contact the object ball twice or the likely affection your opponent will show you for taking this shot?
Maybe this.
Nothing is easy. You could also try running into the one ball or the eight while shooting the 12 ball bouncing one of them out in the open.
JoeyA
Nothing is easy. You could also try running into the one ball or the eight while shooting the 12 ball bouncing one of them out in the open.
JoeyA
You're a funny guy Jude! LOL
I set this table up and played it out. Stripes won 3 out of 4 times Using the cross bank. That was on a 9ft Diamond though. You did say on a bar table, but you didn't specify what size pockets.
The key here is why were you trying to run out when the 8 was tied up?
Ray
I persume you meant a bowl and not your cue.:rotflmao::clapping:
Seriously, Ray, how did you beat the kiss? I don't see how that 12 ball can bank to the opposite corner. I could see it banking straight across...
Thanks,
pj
chgo
Set it up PJ. I never double kissed. I also used the cue ball to show how I hit it. Check it out. **Note the path that I drew for the cue ball was actually different than the actual path** It actually checks off the end rail.
Ray
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Well, I couldn't help myself there. Hope you forgive me.
Back to the shot, this goes back to what I was saying earlier - although there is a problem here that solids must contend with, it is a fairly manageable problem. If they're above average, you have a coinflip on your hands. If they're good or really good, you're now in a disadvantage. If they're "BCA Grand Master", you're probably looking at a shot for the last time.
Neil,
I appreciate your perspective on how to play this against you. How would you play this is determined by more factors than simply here are the balls. All should be considered.
1. Barbox
a. what bar box? Valley with buckets, Diamond with pro cut?
2. Balls - What balls and cueball.
3. Player - What is the speed of the person playing solids.
a. If you attempt to run out and miss the long rail bank even a novice could run out.
True you may be so good that you can get out from anywhere, but the point of this discussion is to help people see other options to consider. Wouldn't you agree?
Ray
poolfoole
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Going for the nearly impossible out would be foolish against a good player. I think you have to duck. I think I would slow roll the cue ball into the 11, leaving the cue ball at position A and the 11 at position B. I'd be happy if my opponent made a bunch of his balls, since he doesn't have an out anyway. The 1 doesn't go anywhere except for a very difficult cross corner bank. I seriously doubt my opponent will run out unless I try to be a hero and go for an impossible run out and leave him wide open.
You make some valid points but there's this one thing I wanted to add - missing always leaves the potential for losing. There's little one can do about that. I think the point I was making and the point Neil is making, if you position for the bank (most people don't actually position for banks), you give yourself an excellent chance at making it. Your chances at winning rest in making one semi difficult shot. If you're a barbox player, no matter how small the pockets are, you're supposed to be familiar with this shot. If you safe, your chances rest entirely with the skill level of your opponent.