Enough already...

[MilwShooter]

I've used a phenolic before, it just makes things easier to achieve. I didn't start playing this game because it was easy, I started because figuring out angles to kick etc. made it difficult. Personally, I'm glad to see them go. That's right, I said it, I'm GLAD to see them go. No more playing perfect speed and making an amazing safety just to have the guy I'm playing go grab his plastic cue and hop the cue ball with ease. You wanna jump the ball? Jump with a normal cue and show me you have some skill. Otherwise, figure out the angles and play like people have been for years.

I see the phenolic tip as baseballs equivalent to a corked bat. IMHO

 

[NewStroke]

Years ago (almost 20) I was taught to jump with my shooting cue. Of course you don't get the performance as phenolic but I never really had to jump that much, I tend to kick much more accurately.

 

[MilwShooter]

That's just the case. I don't see a tip that makes kicking easier, why make a tip that makes jumping easier? That sounds like golfs equivalent of one of those GIANT putters or maybe the putter from "Caddy Shack"?

 

[td873]

I've used a phenolic before, it just makes things easier to achieve. I didn't start playing this game because it was easy, I started because figuring out angles to kick etc. made it difficult. Personally, I'm glad to see them go. That's right, I said it, I'm GLAD to see them go. No more playing perfect speed and making an amazing safety just to have the guy I'm playing go grab his plastic cue and hop the cue ball with ease. You wanna jump the ball? Jump with a normal cue and show me you have some skill. Otherwise, figure out the angles and play like people have been for years.

I see the phenolic tip as baseballs equivalent to a corked bat. IMHO

I'm not sure who is making these decisions, but obviously it is not the same people that canned 14.1 in favor of 9 ball to attract spectators.

First they argue that 14.1 (and 1 pocket) are too slow, too boring, too many safeties etc to attract a crown and get sponsors. So they move to 9 ball because it is faster, has more action, more shooting, and is easy to follow. But then those same people say, "wait, the jump cue is taking away safety play, we should take the cue away and make 9 ball slower again." This contradicts their original movement to make the game faster and more dynamic.

If they want to keep the general public intrigued, they shouldn't impose more restrictive rules and make the game slower. The exciting shots need to be available.

And frankly, the jump cue is NOT like a corked bat since it was available to EVERYONE to use at any time. Some chose not to - and then those same people complained because their safety game wasn't working and they couldn't win. boohoo.

Those people probably weren't losing because their opponent had a jump cue anyway. They were just getting beat and blaming the jump cue.

-td

 

[JoseV]

I've used a phenolic before, it just makes things easier to achieve. I didn't start playing this game because it was easy, I started because figuring out angles to kick etc. made it difficult. Personally, I'm glad to see them go. That's right, I said it, I'm GLAD to see them go. No more playing perfect speed and making an amazing safety just to have the guy I'm playing go grab his plastic cue and hop the cue ball with ease. You wanna jump the ball? Jump with a normal cue and show me you have some skill. Otherwise, figure out the angles and play like people have been for years.

I see the phenolic tip as baseballs equivalent to a corked bat. IMHO

Its been Proven By MLB that Corked Bats have no effect. But i still dont know why its illegal still.

 

[poolhustler]

That's just the case. I don't see a tip that makes kicking easier, why make a tip that makes jumping easier? That sounds like golfs equivalent of one of those GIANT putters or maybe the putter from "Caddy Shack"?

Here's a tip that "makes kicking easier".........

The angle of deflection = the angle of incidence.

Or something like that......lol

:thumbup:

 

[Cuebacca]

I really wouldn't care if the BCAPL banned jump cues. I'd be fine limiting jumps to whatever I can do with my playing cue. Out of 100 or more games of 8-ball I played at the BCAPL, I believe I only used my jump cue once. So maybe I'm in the minority, but I wouldn't really miss them if they banned jump cues entirely. What I do find to be annoying about this ban is that I would have to buy more equipment now if I want to play in BCAPL events.

I was pretty happy having to only maintain one leather tip, on my playing cue, and never having to reshape or replace the tip on my break cue. I want to keep my canvas resin tip for the other 355 days of the year when I'm not in Vegas for BCAPL, so that means buying a replacement shaft or a whole new cue. Then since I only use a 2x4 case, which has been just fine up until now, I also have to pick and choose which cues to keep in there.

So you see, it's really not as simple as, "just put on a leather tip". Plus you have people saying that certain leather treatments can make the tip "just as hard" (probably an exaggeration) as phenolic. So after all this, their stupid cue balls are probably going to get "damaged" anyway.

All this pain in the butt for what? So that when they hold their cue balls close to their face, they can admire how "nice" they look? No one has suggested any sort of test to prove that these cracks actually affect cue ball performance. So what's the big deal? I don't see them banning leather pocket liners which really do leave marks on the surface of object balls, which really does affect how the balls play because the marks can cause skids. Hmm.

So for me, it's not having to use different equipment that bothers me. It's the fact that the BCAPL is taking out a piece of equipment that has become part of the game, inconveniencing a ton of their members, and have really provided no good reason for it. Sorry but aesthetic damage in the form of tiny arcs on the cue ball when you examine it closely is not a good reason, IMO, if these arcs have no effect on play.

Of course, it's their right to do this, and it's our right to express our displeasure with it, and in the end, if it bothers me enough, no one is forcing me to renew my BCAPL membership.

 

[LosOsosCues]

Every sport no mater what it is has tried to advance its game play in one way or another. Baseball bigger gloves, hockey they got rid of the two line pass. Golf have you seen the size of the drivers. Football well what havent they changed, Basketball they added the three pointer, soccer every year they make a ball that is better than the last one. The phenolics to me were people just trying to advance the sport. I personaly dont think that they did advance the sport but hey you can't hate someone for trying to make something better.

In one aspect they did make pool harder. You really had to lock someone up on a ball to be sure they could not just jump over it with ease. Ive played many good shots just to see a player who was not very good at all take out his jumper to get over the ball with ease(turns out that shot was not as good as I thought). In the end the better player will win phenolic or not in the long run. But hey thats just my $.02

 

[cardiac kid]

Sorry Folks,

I just think jumping balls period is ruining the game(s). Ask the room or table owners about the effects. I doubt many of the "its just another tool like a bridge" crowd practice thier jumps on their own table. They go to the local pool room to practice. Yes, I do get pissed when I hide an opponent behind two or three balls and he jumps his way out of the trap. I'd rather have those players learn the basics of three cushion. Mike Zuglan's Joss Tour forces players to jump with their playing or break cue. My hope is more regional tours will join him. Perhaps then the BCAPL, APA, ACS and VNEA will take notice. Unlike the plastic tip ban, too many of the vendors at each National event make their expences selling jump sticks. Will never happen.

To td873, you mention speeding up the game. My guess is it takes you longer to put your jump cue together, take aim and shoot than it takes me to figure out how to hit the ball using the rails. Wrong argument IMHO.

Lyn

 

[ne14tennis]

A Rant

I've used a phenolic before, it just makes things easier to achieve. I didn't start playing this game because it was easy, I started because figuring out angles to kick etc. made it difficult. Personally, I'm glad to see them go. That's right, I said it, I'm GLAD to see them go. No more playing perfect speed and making an amazing safety just to have the guy I'm playing go grab his plastic cue and hop the cue ball with ease. You wanna jump the ball? Jump with a normal cue and show me you have some skill. Otherwise, figure out the angles and play like people have been for years.

I see the phenolic tip as baseballs equivalent to a corked bat. IMHO

I think you're losing sight of the original subject.

There were jump cues without phenolic for a long time.

Nobody is outlawing the jump shot, just the phenolic tip to do it.

IMO a amateur organization should not have done this. The pro players are the ones they should be targeting. When see some of the "Are you kidding me" break speeds they get, they must certainly be causing damage.