Why the UPA is Stupid

JCIN

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I am a little pissed right now so let me preface this by saying this post is strictly my opinion and has nothing to do with TAR. That said, check this crap out.

I am all pumped up to go to the UPA event here in Vegas to hang out and watch some of my friends play, take photos and I was planning on texting some match updates. I get to the "arena" and ask the lady at the door how much. It is $10 for the 10am-4pm session $15 for the late session. $25 a day seems a little high but oh well. I ask how much for the whole event. She says $60, so I say "Ok, I will do that." Then she asks if I am an ACS member to which I reply honestly "No." She then informs me it will be $75 for the whole thing.

I'm sorry but $75 to watch a 31 man field with only 1 or 2 of the top ten players is just nuts. So I calm my inner nit and just pay $10 for the morning session figuring I will shoot some pics and see how the event goes.

I get into the "arena" and I am carrying my camera gear in a backpack. I set the back pack on a chair out of the way and start to put my kit together. A lady in a referee shirt comes up and says "Are you involved with this event?". I was a little weirded out by the question and wanted to respond "Not if you paid me." But I just asked her what she meant. She replies "Are you a player in the event?" I say "No." She then proceeds to tell me that you have to pay to be able to watch this tournament at which time I raise my right arm and put the little paper wristband right at her eye level.

She says she is sorry she didn't see the wristband and that not only is she the only referee for this professional event this session she has to watch the door too in order to make sure no one gets in without paying. I tell her "No worries." and go about my business.

I get my stuff put together and go sit down in the stands away from everyone else and take some photos of Josh Ulrich and John Morra playing their matches. John finishes his and comes over, sits down and we talk about the event. As we are doing this I am shooting pictures.

Frank Alverez enters the "Arena" and makes a bee line straight toward me. At this point I say to myself "Self, this is gonna get weird." I was right.

Frank: "I am Frank Alverez President of the UPA. Who are you shooting pictures for?"

Me: "Just for myself really."

Frank: "Who are you with? What media?"

Me: "The Action Report"

Frank: "The Action Report? Whats that?"

Me: "You have never heard of The Action Report? Really?"

Frank: "Well yes but I don't know who you are affiliated with"

Me: "Uhhhhh....what do you mean?"

Frank: At this point he mumbled something about BCA or...I am not sure probably because I was a little freaked out at this point with the interrogation.

Me: "There are people who want to know about this event and I was going to tell them about it. That's all."

Frank: "Well you can shoot pictures if you give us copies of them."

Me: "I am not going to do that."

Frank: "Why not?"

Me: "Because I do not do that. If you want me to stop shooting pictures of your event so I can tell people about it at no cost to you then that is just fine with me."

At this point I think it set in on him how terrible he was coming across because he mumbled some more and said "Well....let me get you a media pass...and...."

By this time I had time to think about totally absurd and stupid this whole thing was and I was pissed so I just broke my stuff down, set it beside me and said "Don't worry about it." Then he just walked away.

Keep in mind, we are at an event with 31 players and five of them are players anyone has heard of. I swear I was the only paying spectator because the only people were there with players. I am shooting pictures with a $4000 camera rig minding my own business and I get the third degree from the owner and president and basically shaken down for the ability to take photos.

I always try and see the other guys point of view but in this case I keep coming back to the same thing. If a promoter is this bloody stupid and short sited then screw him. Here we are at a so called professional event with a referee/bouncer and the biggest concern of the president is that god forbid someone may actually give a sh!t about his event. The same guy who sanctioned a tournament that aired the top finishers and then all he could do was shrug his shoulders. It pisses me off.

Never mind that the company I work for has put more money in players pockets over the last few years than his whole pseudo organization. I am probably still a little pissed so I may be being too hard on the guy but no matter which way you cut it is just dumb.
 
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That is pretty f**cked up.They are basically getting free press already and you dropped 75 bucks to get in on top of that crazy.Oh yeah nice 15 dollar jump on admission for you being honest bullsh*t!!:angry:
 
That is pretty f**cked up.They are basically getting free press already and you dropped 75 bucks to get in on top of that crazy.Oh yeah nice 15 dollar jump on admission for you being honest bullsh*t!!:angry:
He actually paid $10 and thought he would see what happens. That is neither here nor there. Frank fcked up on this one. imo.

BVal
 
This does not surprise me one bit. Frank Alvarez is a lost cause, a bad businessman, and overall not a very smart guy. He has also taken the UPA down with him.

A few years ago, I told him that I was going to play in the Jay Swanson Memorial in Cali. and his response was "what's that?"

I asked him "You are a pro player on the west coast and you've never heard of the Swanee?" He, as you stated, mumbled something under his breath and quickly changed the subject. I'm not surprised one bit that he's never heard of TAR. He is oblivious to the most obvious of things pool related, yet he is the "president" of the UPA (and a pro player to boot). It is unfortunate that the UPA is under his control.

Ray
 
This does not surprise me one bit. Frank Alvarez is a lost cause, a bad businessman, and overall not a very smart guy. He has also taken the UPA down with him.

A few years ago, I told him that I was going to play in the Jay Swanson Memorial in Cali. and his response was "what's that?"

I asked him "You are a pro player on the west coast and you've never heard of the Swanee?" He, as you stated, mumbled something under his breath and quickly changed the subject. I'm not surprised one bit that he's never heard of TAR. He is oblivious to the most obvious of things pool related, yet he is the "president" of the UPA (and a pro player to boot). It is unfortunate that the UPA is under his control.

Ray
And out of the wood work you come :) I was wondering where you were. I miss ya man.

Cheezy :)
 
I would be pissed too just seems pretty expensive all around.I will be skipping these events.

I am not really b!tching about the cost so much. It seems silly to me because I am as big a pool junky as anyone on earth and I just wouldnt pay that for an event like this. It's only $15 bucks difference but for some reason it just seams over the top.

My whole gripe is how utterly dumb it is to basically shake down a photographer who paid his own way into an event. If I asked for a media pass or tried to get a free entry I could see some sort of negotiation but I didn't.

I do events too. I would never ever in a million years pull that crap with someone. The more pictures, conversation and interest in any pool event the better.
 
I feel you

I am not really b!tching about the cost so much. It seems silly to me because I am as big a pool junky as anyone on earth and I just wouldnt pay that for an event like this. It's only $15 bucks difference but for some reason it just seams over the top.

My whole gripe is how utterly dumb it is to basically shake down a photographer who paid his own way into an event. If I asked for a media pass or tried to get a free entry I could see some sort of negotiation but I didn't.

I do events too. I would never ever in a million years pull that crap with someone. The more pictures, conversation and interest in any pool event the better.


I feel you.I just don't see how they would shut down free publicity.How could he not have heard of TAR is strange if he is the prez and follows pool in any way.
 
so no pics and no updates?

I have some pics but they will never see the light of day and no updates from me. I can be a stubborn bastard when I get mad so I will just do something else with my time. Not like I don't have hundreds of hours of video to edit.

Hopefully someone will post information for those following their favorite players or friends. It just won't be me.
 
Anyone that was at the tournament and knows:

Is it true that there was a $100+ (and something) dollar fee for the players to play in this event?

What was the fee for and how much was it?

Thanks,
JoeyA
 
I have some pics but they will never see the light of day and no updates from me. I can be a stubborn bastard when I get mad so I will just do something else with my time. Not like I don't have hundreds of hours of video to edit.

Hopefully someone will post information for those following their favorite players or friends. It just won't be me.

Aint gonna be to many post's.........Aint no body there.....LOL LOL LOL
 
Anyone that was at the tournament and knows:

Is it true that there was a $100+ (and something) dollar fee for the players to play in this event?

What was the fee for and how much was it?

Thanks,
JoeyA

$125 tour card fee.

For that you get a t-shirt, patch and the right to play in all the UPA events. Last I checked there were no other UPA events.
 
I am a little pissed right now so let me preface this by saying this post is strictly my opinion and has nothing to do with TAR. That said, check this crap out.

I am all pumped up to go to the UPA event here in Vegas to hang out and watch some of my friends play, take photos and I was planning on texting some match updates. I get to the "arena" and ask the lady at the door how much. It is $10 for the 10am-4pm session $15 for the late session. $25 a day seems a little high but oh well. I ask how much for the whole event. She says $60, so I say "Ok, I will do that." Then she asks if I am an ACS member to which I reply honestly "No." She then informs me it will be $75 for the whole thing.

I'm sorry but $75 to watch a 31 man field with only 1 or 2 of the top ten players is just nuts. So I calm my inner nit and just pay $10 for the morning session figuring I will shoot some pics and see how the event goes.

I get into the "arena" and I am carrying my camera gear in a backpack. I set the back pack on a chair out of the way and start to put my kit together. A lady in a referee shirt comes up and says "Are you involved with this event?". I was a little weirded out by the question and wanted to respond "Not if you paid me." But I just asked her what she meant. She replies "Are you a player in the event?" I say "No." She then proceeds to tell me that you have to pay to be able to watch this tournament at which time I raise my right arm and put the little paper wristband right at her eye level.

She says she is sorry she didn't see the wristband and that not only is she the only referee for this professional event this session she has to watch the door too in order to make sure no one gets in without paying. I tell her "No worries." and go about my business.

I get my stuff put together and go sit down in the stands away from everyone else and take some photos of Josh Ulrich and John Morra playing their matches. John finishes his and comes over, sits down and we talk about the event. As we are doing this I am shooting pictures.

Frank Alverez enters the "Arena" and makes a bee line straight toward me. At this point I say to myself "Self, this is gonna get weird." I was right.

Frank: "I am Frank Alverez President of the UPA. Who are you shooting pictures for?"

Me: "Just for myself really."

Frank: "Who are you with? What media?"

Me: "The Action Report"

Frank: "The Action Report? Whats that?"

Me: "You have never heard of The Action Report? Really?"

Frank: "Well yes but I don't know who you are affiliated with"

Me: "Uhhhhh....what do you mean?"

Frank: At this point he mumbled something about BCA or...I am not sure probably because I was a little freaked out at this point with the interrogation.

Me: "There are people who want to know about this event and I was going to tell them about it. That's all."

Frank: "Well you can shoot pictures if you give us copies of them."

Me: "I am not going to do that."

Frank: "Why not?"

Me: "Because I do not do that. If you want me to stop shooting pictures of your event so I can tell people about it at no cost to you then that is just fine with me."

At this point I think it set in on him how terrible he was coming across because he mumbled some more and said "Well....let me get you a media pass...and...."

By this time I had time to think about totally absurd and stupid this whole thing was and I was pissed so I just broke my stuff down, set it beside me and said "Don't worry about it." Then he just walked away.

Keep in mind, we are at an event with 31 players and five of them are players anyone has heard of. I swear I was the only paying spectator because the only people were there with players. I am shooting pictures with a $4000 camera rig minding my own business and I get the third degree from the owner and president and basically shaken down for the ability to take photos.

I always try and see the other guys point of view but in this case I keep coming back to the same thing. If a promoter is this bloody stupid and short sited then screw him. Here we are at a so called professional event with a referee/bouncer and the biggest concern of the president is that god forbid someone may actually give a sh!t about his event. The same guy who sanctioned a tournament that aired the top finishers and then all he could do was shrug his shoulders. It pisses me off.

Never mind that the company I work for has put more money in players pockets over the last few years than his whole pseudo organization. I am probably still a little pissed so I may be being too hard on the guy but no matter which way you cut it is just dumb.

Justin,
Great post that adds enlightenment to what so many have bemoaned about over the years.
I like to stay positive when it comes to pool and anyone who's trying to promote the sport. But the UPA stumbled badly right out the gate when they banned Earl and then later, gave the same cold treatment to Corey and Grady and other pool greats.
My opinion of the UPA has gotten better over the years, mainly because they promoted those big 10 ball tournaments and tried to re-ingest life into 14.1. But other than that, you play by their rules, do everything exactly how they say to do it with no questions asked or else you are blackballed.
To not know who you are and to not be familiar with T.A.R. and still assert yourself as an affiliate of a major pool tour in the USA says a lot about who's running the UPA. And an equal amount about their chances of prospering with their status quo.
 
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