Cue buying hypothetical question....

Let me ask this, how many art conisseur's, would do the same thing at a garage sale, stumbling onto a painting? Or a watch collector, or whomever... But this is a little different scenario...

JV
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Sir,

I know exactly what you mean....and I don't mean for MY opinion to, in any way, suggest that I think you (or anyone else) is wrong. I just see things in my own particular way.

In the scenario above...I would feel the same as I have already stated.

If a person has the time, inclination, resources, or knowledge to do the research, and DECIDES not to...then they have no room to complain about selling an item for WAY too cheap. If somebody comes into possession of an item (a cue, watch, painting, lava lamp, etc.) and genuinely doesn't know what they have...or know where to go to find out...then the "know-it-all" has done them some small form of service. Even if that "know-it-all" has no intention of buying it, they are at least preventing the owner from losing his/her ass on the deal.

I would bet a dime to a dollar that we ALL have dreamed of the "finding a Gus at a garage sale" scenario...but the truth is, I don't think I could bring myself to pay the $50 bucks for it and walk off. (That is to suggest I could recognize one at the drop of a hat...which I can't). If I saw a cactus-pinned Southwest tucked away in a box at a garage sale, and the old guy had no clue what it was...I'd tell him. I couldn't feel good about myself, as a human being, for letting the guy get robbed of the money he should get for that item.

And this, sir, is why I will never be a success in profit-making ventures.

Again...I don't think anyone is wrong in their opinions. Differences of them is what makes the world go round.
 
icon2 said:
right . . . you've had to edit almost every reply you made to me :)
stand behind my posts 100% in reference to your hypothetical scenario
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You're right I had to edit them.. because even after I finish typing, I think of a better way to word what I said so someone DOESN'T get the wrong idea, or take what I said in a way I had not intended. For example..

If I were to generalize your paragraph and I didn't want to offend the poster I might have worded it like this...

yeah . . . then SOMEONE could have flipped it to one of "THEIR friends here on AZ", for a tidy profit, with little to no effort expended.
that billy guy is taking unearned income right out of SOMEONE'S pockets!
really pisses me off when people with nothing to gain, impart knowledge to the ignorant.
it's so much easier to take advantage of them, if they remain ignorant.
these hero billy types need to be terminated with extreme prejudice!

Instead of making a thinly veiled slap at the quoted poster. Because the original poster made sure HE was very vauge since he doesn't know the culprit.

JV
 
8-ball Rat said:
Sir,

I know exactly what you mean....and I don't mean for MY opinion to, in any way, suggest that I think you (or anyone else) is wrong. I just see things in my own particular way.

In the scenario above...I would feel the same as I have already stated.

If a person has the time, inclination, resources, or knowledge to do the research, and DECIDES not to...then they have no room to complain about selling an item for WAY too cheap. If somebody comes into possession of an item (a cue, watch, painting, lava lamp, etc.) and genuinely doesn't know what they have...or know where to go to find out...then the "know-it-all" has done them some small form of service. Even if that "know-it-all" has no intention of buying it, they are at least preventing the owner from losing his/her ass on the deal.

I would bet a dime to a dollar that we ALL have dreamed of the "finding a Gus at a garage sale" scenario...but the truth is, I don't think I could bring myself to pay the $50 bucks for it and walk off. (That is to suggest I could recognize one at the drop of a hat...which I can't). If I saw a cactus-pinned Southwest tucked away in a box at a garage sale, and the old guy had no clue what it was...I'd tell him. I couldn't feel good about myself, as a human being, for letting the guy get robbed of the money he should get for that item.

And this, sir, is why I will never be a success in profit-making ventures.

Again...I don't think anyone is wrong in their opinions. Differences of them is what makes the world go round.
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8-Ball,
I understand exactly what you are saying and that's why I asked the question.. I am sure there are people that feel either way that might not share their opinions. Which is ok, but I wanted to get everyone's take on this practice, especially from a buyers perspective.

JV
 
classiccues said:
8-Ball,
I understand exactly what you are saying and that's why I asked the question.. I am sure there are people that feel either way that might not share their opinions. Which is ok, but I wanted to get everyone's take on this practice, especially from a buyers perspective.

JV
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Roger that, sir.

Since I've laid claim to a good portion of the discussion thusfar :D, I'll step back a bit and let others chime in.

Always a pleasure, sir. Take care,

Mark
 
classiccues said:
Instead of making a thinly veiled slap at the quoted poster. Because the original poster made sure HE was very vauge since he doesn't know the culprit.
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gheez . . . you're paranoid!
i have no reason to take a slap at you . . . do disagree with your stance.
it's been a really thrilling exchange though :)
 
8-ball Rat said:
Sir,

I know exactly what you mean....and I don't mean for MY opinion to, in any way, suggest that I think you (or anyone else) is wrong. I just see things in my own particular way.

In the scenario above...I would feel the same as I have already stated.

If a person has the time, inclination, resources, or knowledge to do the research, and DECIDES not to...then they have no room to complain about selling an item for WAY too cheap. If somebody comes into possession of an item (a cue, watch, painting, lava lamp, etc.) and genuinely doesn't know what they have...or know where to go to find out...then the "know-it-all" has done them some small form of service. Even if that "know-it-all" has no intention of buying it, they are at least preventing the owner from losing his/her ass on the deal.

I would bet a dime to a dollar that we ALL have dreamed of the "finding a Gus at a garage sale" scenario...but the truth is, I don't think I could bring myself to pay the $50 bucks for it and walk off. (That is to suggest I could recognize one at the drop of a hat...which I can't). If I saw a cactus-pinned Southwest tucked away in a box at a garage sale, and the old guy had no clue what it was...I'd tell him. I couldn't feel good about myself, as a human being, for letting the guy get robbed of the money he should get for that item.

And this, sir, is why I will never be a success in profit-making ventures.

Again...I don't think anyone is wrong in their opinions. Differences of them is what makes the world go round.
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UPS used to dump all their lost and damaged merchandise to a chain of stores here. A friend of mine found a South West in one of their barrells of pool cues with no shafts for it. He bought it for $30. With it being a junk store and the accepted standard for junk stores is everyone is trying to find a bargain, I think I would have bought it for $30 too. I might would buy it at a yard sale also, as yard sales accepted standards are to look for the deals. Pawn shops are the same to me. But a cue owner in a pool room some how seems different to me. I would feel sorry for him and tell him what he had. I would probably offer him a fair wholesale price.
 
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classiccues said:
Jeff, did you miss the part where I said I don't buy from ebay? This is not a cue I have any interest in.. you know, I'll cut you slack here. This is not the first time you pretended to know how I do business, and as usual you come up short.

Besides don't compare this to your case, the ignorance here is on the seller, not the buyer.

JV
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A lot of information that's given is wrong, then the seller gains unreasonable expectations.

I pretty much follow the policy of not commenting unless asked, but if I am asked I give the best answer I can.

Since it was brought up here, for example, the model 14 Palmer on e-bay is not a Spain blank. In fact , it's not even a Model 14!

Chris
 
TATE said:
A lot of information that's given is wrong, then the seller gains unreasonable expectations.

I pretty much follow the policy of not commenting unless asked, but if I am asked I give the best answer I can.

Since it was brought up here, for example, the model 14 Palmer on e-bay is not a Spain blank. In fact , it's not even a Model 14!

Chris
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I didn't get to that part yet... but that's another issue entirely... :D

JV
 
This just recently happened to me and a friend. There was one cue being offered and we both showed interest. Then a person posted to tell the seller to sell it outside and get better $$$. Yes, the intention was good, but the way it was handled was bad. That is why there is a feature in forums called PM.
 
Think this happens a lot on Ebay, missed a few cues at a bargain because of that, as for that Palmer thought it was different than eventually decscribed.

Out of curiousity was anyone following this auction :

http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330348200780&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

same thing happened but I thought it might have been a paradise??
Was sure it would show up on Az but still has not surfaced, had no reserve and started at 1 dollar.

Thanks
Din
 
TATE said:
A lot of information that's given is wrong, then the seller gains unreasonable expectations.

I pretty much follow the policy of not commenting unless asked, but if I am asked I give the best answer I can.

Since it was brought up here, for example, the model 14 Palmer on e-bay is not a Spain blank. In fact , it's not even a Model 14!

Chris
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chris, odd quote given your reply!? :)

my responses were based on the information given the seller being correct.
the OP did include on his initial post, and original hypothetical:
"but just tells the guy what he has anyways".
"tells him what he has" would imply that the info was correct.
in post #13 he did state:
"your superior (hehe) knowledge to some stranger"
hinting that the information may not be correct in a sarcastic manner.

i would agree 100% that if the "know it all" is not 100% certain of his information, that he should not be imparting any information.
also maybe the "know it all" thinks erroneously that his knowledge is correct, and imparts it anyways . . . in that case i can see the OP's point.

however, i would still have no problem with correct information being given to the seller.
after reading the initial post, i was going to reply that there was not enough information given . . . should've stuck with my first thought!
 
PURR1965 said:
Think this happens a lot on Ebay, missed a few cues at a bargain because of that, as for that Palmer thought it was different than eventually decscribed.

Out of curiousity was anyone following this auction :

http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330348200780&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

same thing happened but I thought it might have been a paradise??
Was sure it would show up on Az but still has not surfaced, had no reserve and started at 1 dollar.

Thanks
Din
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If this cue went for 1250.00, god bless the buyer... Outside of the replaced butt cap this is a monster custom Palmer. I didn't have it on my watch list or it would have been higher... :)

JV (---and no, I wouldn't have told him about the rarity, the maker of the blank, or any other such non-sense that he didn't ask for and was to lazy to find out on his own....
 
classiccues said:
If this cue went for 1250.00, god bless the buyer... Outside of the replaced butt cap this is a monster custom Palmer. I didn't have it on my watch list or it would have been higher... :)

JV (---and no, I wouldn't have told him about the rarity, the maker of the blank, or any other such non-sense that he didn't ask for and was to lazy to find out on his own....
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Yes, it was a full custom Palmer made to a customer's specs. It probably went low because it wasn't properly described. Jayman pointed out the auction to me - I haven't been checking E-Bay very often.

Chris
 
Well great replies.. I'll just end my rant by saying that I know that if someone went to a garage sale with their friend, and he collected baseball cards and found a 52' Topps Mantle and the guy wanted 50 bucks for it and you knew just enough to be dangerous.

You are NOT knocking your friends find, no way, no how.

You may look at your friend a little differently because he didn't tell the guy. BUT when you are dealing with this stuff, the thrill of the find and getting a great buy is all WE look for.

JV
 
icon2 said:
chris, odd quote given your reply!? :)

my responses were based on the information given the seller being correct.
the OP did include on his initial post, and original hypothetical:
"but just tells the guy what he has anyways".
"tells him what he has" would imply that the info was correct.
in post #13 he did state:
"your superior (hehe) knowledge to some stranger"
hinting that the information may not be correct in a sarcastic manner.

i would agree 100% that if the "know it all" is not 100% certain of his information, that he should not be imparting any information.
also maybe the "know it all" thinks erroneously that his knowledge is correct, and imparts it anyways . . . in that case i can see the OP's point.

however, i would still have no problem with correct information being given to the seller.
after reading the initial post, i was going to reply that there was not enough information given . . . should've stuck with my first thought!
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I was in Rome with a quirky wireless connection when I wrote that. I didn't realize I was quoting a particular post when I wrote that.

Chris
 
If he doesn't know what he has then there is a darn good chance that the cue is stolen.
 
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