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[12310bch]

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I'm no statistics genius but I used to use this stuff in my work. I think Cleary's rankings would fit perfectly in this curve. It would go ,from left to right, D,C,B,A,Open, Pro. The Open players would fit in the yellow area on the right and the Pros would be in the white area to the right of that.
I only brought this up graphically illustrate how the distribution of skills generally are spread out. The shape of the curve would be somewhat different for pool skills but would be in some bell shape.
As an aside , if you were a bar/pool room owner ,which color would you market to?

 

[donny mills]

Wow your bitter. I know many players that are not jacked up at the end of tournaments. Most of those guys are used to playing long sessions. You could call them losers because they don't have jobs and can afford to play till 3am every morning, which us working stiffs cannot do. I agree that drug culture is a big part of the game but to say that every player in top five is a hard core user is a little over the top.

I am sure that Shane and Donny Mills like long sessions and just keep getting better and better and better. They must be jacked up in every match.

Are you saying that I'm jacked up? Is superstar saying if you are top 5 in regional events that means you take drugs?

 

[poolhustla61508]

Are you saying that I'm jacked up? Is superstar saying if you are top 5 in regional events that means you take drugs?

I think he's being sarcastic when he said you take drugs trying to prove his point to superstar.
Superstar said that if someone were to show him the top 5 in any regional points list he will show you someone who is on drugs.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Are you saying that I'm jacked up? Is superstar saying if you are top 5 in regional events that means you take drugs?

What i am saying is that if you show me rankings for a regional tour where all the tournaments take just one day.
Show me the top 5 in the rankings and i'll be able to pick out at least 1 guy who is taking some form of chemical assistance.
Whether that's in the form of speed, pain killers, or a combo of them or other things. There will be at least 1, if not more.

That is NOT saying in any way that everyone who does well is on drugs.
But it is saying that, in the events that your playing that are all day 14 hour events, there will be a few that are.

 

[stljohnny]

Does coffee and/or mountain dew combined with protein bars count as being jacked up?

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Does coffee and/or mountain dew combined with protein bars count as being jacked up?

LOL. Um, no.
Anyone who has played in one day regional tours for years, knows what i am talking about.
It's nothing new.
Anyone who is going to challenge that, doesn't observe very well, or is protecting someone.

I remember years ago, how for almost one entire season of one regional tour that is now defunct, there were 3 people that were basically always winning.
Two would develop post nasal drip by the end of the night if they were still in it, but would NEVER blow their nose, and one would be sweating his brains out while dressed in shorts and polo shirt, in an air conditioned room set at arctic temperatures.

I highly doubt that that aspect of pool has changed any in the last 20 years.

But anyway, enough about the realities in pool. Back to the ranking systems.

 

[poolmaster]

LOL. Um, no.
Anyone who has played in one day regional tours for years, knows what i am talking about.
It's nothing new.
Anyone who is going to challenge that, doesn't observe very well, or is protecting someone.

I remember years ago, how for almost one entire season of one regional tour that is now defunct, there were 3 people that were basically always winning.
Two would develop post nasal drip by the end of the night if they were still in it, but would NEVER blow their nose, and one would be sweating his brains out while dressed in shorts and polo shirt, in an air conditioned room set at arctic temperatures.

I highly doubt that that aspect of pool has changed any in the last 20 years.

But anyway, enough about the realities in pool. Back to the ranking systems.

I agree with you, it does happen, but not everybody is guilty of it. Taking drugs isn't
the only way to survive fourteen hour day playing pool. Some people think that pool
isn't all that physical of the game, they wrong. Try to compete for 12-14 hrs. straight
and see how it makes you feel. Just like anything else, you have to exersise and do all
the right things in order to survive those long days.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

I agree with you, it does happen, but not everybody is guilty of it. Taking drugs isn't
the only way to survive fourteen hour day playing pool. Some people think that pool
isn't all that physical of the game, they wrong. Try to compete for 12-14 hrs. straight
and see how it makes you feel. Just like anything else, you have to exersise and do all
the right things in order to survive those long days.

This is true.
That's why i said i'd be able to find at least one, but didn't accuse everyone.
BUT, if we are going to go by a getting better and better all day long so that they are playing PERFECT pool by days end.
Something is up, cause even professional athletes get tired.
No one is playing flawless at the end of 14 hours without some help.

 

[poolmaster]

This is true.
That's why i said i'd be able to find at least one, but didn't accuse everyone.
BUT, if we are going to go by a getting better and better all day long so that they are playing PERFECT pool by days end.
Something is up, cause even professional athletes get tired.
No one is playing flawless at the end of 14 hours without some help.

If you put it like this, yes I agree.

 

[cleary]

keep in mind, everyone is playing all day long in a one day event. So everyone (who stays in) should stay equally tired throughout. Some people can play longer sets than others and still focus, but that doesn't mean they are as sharp as they were hours ago. But my point is, everyone left in the tournament has been playing all day and should be fairly equally tired.

 

[mantis99]

NO, local room ratings mean nothing. They are just used for local tournaments, etc.

There is no hard and fast rule. However, its generally understood (IMO)...

In a race to 10 games by throwing the following number of balls on the table (ghost, but without the break, just throwing however many balls on table):

All below are on 9 foot table.

D player will NOT run out with 3 balls on table. Has no idea how to execute safeties. No idea of position play.

C player will run out with 3 balls. Strong C will run out with 4. Some safety play. Beginnings of good position play. Beginnings of overall game strategy.

B player will run out with 4 and 5 balls left on table. Strong B with 6 and 7 balls. Good safety knowledge and execution. Good kicking.

A player WILL beat the 9 ball ghost. A player will run 100 balls as their high run in straight pool IF that is their main game. Excellent safety and kicking and strategy. Will run a 2 or 3 or higher pack occasionally.

Shortstop is a step above A.

Open and pro are about the same. Will beat 10 ball ghost. Might run a mini package every set they play. Basically can play with anyone, except the TOP pros, like Archer, Corey, SVB, any Filipino

Note, recreational players (people on dates, etc.) are NOT D players. They are bangers, or Z players. They don't count in this rating. D players are serious about pool, but either are just starting out, or have no natural ability if they have been playing for more than 6 months to 1 year.

I think is a bit too liberal. You are jumping from 7 to 9 balls also. I really don't think someone that can beat the 4-5 ball ghost would be considered a B player. I beat the 4 ball ghost fairly easily, and the 5 ball ghost at times, but while I may be able to play with B players, I probably would not win. I consider myself a fairly strong C player. I agree with the D players, but I would make a C someone that can beat the 3-4 ball ghost, and a strong C someone who takes out the 5 ball ghost. A "B" player would start at the 6 ball ghost, be able to beat the 7 ball ghost over 50% of the time, and a strong B would beat the 9 ball ghost at least 30% of the time. An A player should beat the 9 ball ghost on a fair table most of the time. My thoughts anyways.

 

[donny mills]

This is true.
That's why i said i'd be able to find at least one, but didn't accuse everyone.
BUT, if we are going to go by a getting better and better all day long so that they are playing PERFECT pool by days end.
Something is up, cause even professional athletes get tired.
No one is playing flawless at the end of 14 hours without some help.

I disagree. November of 2008 I played in a kf cue event and it was a one day tournament. I only got about 5 hours of sleep that night and I got there at noon. I played the finals at about 1am, and I was tired... but the only reason I got tired is because I had to sit around for 2 hours waiting to play, otherwise I'm sure if I would've kept playing I would've been fine. I played good and won though.

The very next month december of 2008 I played in another kf cue event (one day tournament). Once again I didn't get much sleep, got to the poolroom at noon, and once again made it to the finals at about midnight. I played the finals near perfectly and won 9-3 I believe. I was playing so good I wanted to keep playing, and that's just what I did. I played this guy a cheap race to 6.

Moral of the story is this- I'm a guy that has never done drugs (never even taken an aspirin) and won 2 tournaments like this in a row.

I'd venture to say that you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[frankncali]

I disagree. November of 2008 I played in a kf cue event and it was a one day tournament. I only got about 5 hours of sleep that night and I got there at noon. I played the finals at about 1am, and I was tired... but the only reason I got tired is because I had to sit around for 2 hours waiting to play, otherwise I'm sure if I would've kept playing I would've been fine. I played good and won though.

The very next month december of 2008 I played in another kf cue event (one day tournament). Once again I didn't get much sleep, got to the poolroom at noon, and once again made it to the finals at about midnight. I played the finals near perfectly and won 9-3 I believe. I was playing so good I wanted to keep playing, and that's just what I did. I played this guy a cheap race to 6.

Moral of the story is this- I'm a guy that has never done drugs (never even taken an aspirin) and won 2 tournaments like this in a row.

I'd venture to say that you don't know what you are talking about.

I dont know about the validity of some of Superstars statements.

But I can safely say that 99.9% of players DO NOT play better if they are tired. Thats true in any sport.

Just from seeing you and seeing some of your posts about working and also about working out, staying in shape etc I dont think you fall into the
NORMAL grouping when it comes to pool players.
IMO it gives you an advantage and theres notihng wrong with it.

But I still would take a well rested Donny over a not so rested Donny.

Iam not close to your level but this year I played in a US Am qualifier. I had a huge break waiting on the finals of my match. For most that would have hurt them but for me it helped as I was fighting some knee issues.
Did I play stronger when we started our final at 2am??? NO but the break
did help me.