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busby busybody

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Not so long ago. In a land not so far away. The poolrooms all had a sign on the wall something like this. No leaning or sitting on the tables. No drinks on the tables. No jump or masse' shots allowed. While I'm always open to new ideas and innovation, doesn't it seem like this last rule ... the jump...has gone by the wayside? Designed to protect the equipment, which the poolroom owner maintains for our pleasure; The jump is no longer banned but is actually encouraged. Jump sticks, jump bridges, jump lessons. When I play bad shape I expect that the penalty is that I'm hooked. When I play a good safety I expect that my opponent should suffer the same. I know that this jumping mentality is not going away anytime soon, or ever. Too much money to be made. The game suffers though. Too soon there will be no one left that appreciates a good kick when they see one. Or play one.
 
Just 2 nights ago I had a jump the length of the table , cut the OB in the corner and came around for dead shape on the money ball. I called the shot.

Quite a few people seemed to appreciate seeing that a bit more than the typical get lucky kick/slop shot.
 
Yes but any pool player knows that very few people can jump a ball the lenght of the table and end up with perfect position without a certain element of luck--that said when you do it (one out of fifty times) it still is gratifing and impressive. Buttttt so is a well hit kick shot. We only play the game because we love it.
 
You either need to get with jumping or stand to side,, its part of the game,, and its beneficial ,, I hate when someone wants to play safe after safe , thats what led me to practice and excute not only jump shots ,but masses as well..
 
busby busybody said:
Not so long ago. In a land not so far away. The poolrooms all had a sign on the wall something like this. No leaning or sitting on the tables. No drinks on the tables. No jump or masse' shots allowed. While I'm always open to new ideas and innovation, doesn't it seem like this last rule ... the jump...has gone by the wayside? Designed to protect the equipment, which the poolroom owner maintains for our pleasure; The jump is no longer banned but is actually encouraged. Jump sticks, jump bridges, jump lessons. When I play bad shape I expect that the penalty is that I'm hooked. When I play a good safety I expect that my opponent should suffer the same. I know that this jumping mentality is not going away anytime soon, or ever. Too much money to be made. The game suffers though. Too soon there will be no one left that appreciates a good kick when they see one. Or play one.
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Again? Man this topic has been played out more times than a Paris Hilton video............

The rule was and is there to protect the cloth from people who don't know what they are doing. In every pool room I have ever been in the good players were allowed to jump and masse' with no hassle, and this was pre-jump cue and until today.

20 years ago Efren Reyes taught the world to play, and let me introduce to you game they called Texas Express.....

Prior to TE no one knew how to kick a ball or jump a ball.

Why????

Because there was no real NEED since you could push out on every shot.

Well not on EVERY shot. If you pushed on the first one then your opponent could tell you to shoot again and THEN if you didn't make a good hit you would give up ball in hand.

So people didn't NEED to learn to jump or kick.

Now people do and those two aspects of the game are just parts of the game along with the masse' shot that good players have to master.
 
When I was a kid there was no jumping. By that I mean jump cues didn't exist. If you were 'peenied' you kicked your way out.
In those days the signs that hung on the walls usually said 'no spitting on the floor', 'no sitting on the tables', 'no alcohol', 'do not place cigaretts on the rails', and almost always 'no masse'. A lot of the youngsters today doesn't know what 'masse' means.
In the room where I play now, there are small signs on the wall that say 'no jumping'. The reason for this of course, is to protect the cloth from those less skilled. When one of the better players uses a jump stick, the manager looks the other way.
 
busby busybody said:
Not so long ago. In a land not so far away. The poolrooms all had a sign on the wall something like this. No leaning or sitting on the tables. No drinks on the tables. No jump or masse' shots allowed. While I'm always open to new ideas and innovation, doesn't it seem like this last rule ... the jump...has gone by the wayside? Designed to protect the equipment, which the poolroom owner maintains for our pleasure; The jump is no longer banned but is actually encouraged. Jump sticks, jump bridges, jump lessons. When I play bad shape I expect that the penalty is that I'm hooked. When I play a good safety I expect that my opponent should suffer the same. I know that this jumping mentality is not going away anytime soon, or ever. Too much money to be made. The game suffers though. Too soon there will be no one left that appreciates a good kick when they see one. Or play one.
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Earl! Earl! Is that you :grin::grin::grin:?

Seriously, I agree with John's post above. Things change, and when RULES change, so do the techniques. They almost have to. I'm not a full believer in the jump shot/cue either, but still I own three jump cues. Heck, if my opponent is gonna use one against me to his/her advantage, then I'm certainly gonna use mine when necessary. If the rules are in place that allows them, then you had better "get with the program" if you want to reach the top echelon of the pool kingdom.

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I used to be seriously against jumping period. Mostly because of the type of player that would pull out a jump cue EVERYTIME he/she is snookered to attempt to pull off something with an extremely low sucess rate. I'm talking about the types of players that NEVER attempt to kick and ALWAYS jump, even in a situation where good contact could be made, but the particular angle, or shot that needs to be made to pocket the ball would be a tough shot under normal non- jumping circumstances. Basically Hail Mary types of shots. To me they're sloppy, they mess up the lay, and and dependant upon luck.
However, over the years I've come across several players that jump well. And by that I mean are pretty accurate, can control the cue ball, and most importantly KNOW WHEN TO JUMP! These kinds of players have changed my view and respect for jumping.
So to me, it's all about when, how, and why the particlar player decides to jump. A legitimate attempt to pocket a ball and position the rock? Then I say yes. But for those that can't lose their hard on just because they can catch some air by throwing hail marys up in the air and all over the table? No. For some (not all) jump cues are simply an extention of a mans penis!!
dave
 
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CocoboloCowboy said:
Hell if I can JUMP and not hurt the Table Cloth, almost anyone can.
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ALL jump shots and masse shots have an effect on the cloth. Don't fool yourself. Any time you strike a hard phenolic ball down into a piece of slate covered by a cloth material, the cloth gets compressed. Look for the nice white burn marks on your Simonis cloth.

My response regarding jump cues - only make leather tips allowable on all cues. No non-pliable materials. Then let's see if everyone has the same love affair with their jump cues. Back in the day of the original Mace and the Falcon jump break, the jump shot was discretionary - there were only select distances where the jump cue could be used accurately.

Proof? Do a search and see how many people have switched out the Water Buffalo tips on their Stealth jumpers for the White Diamond and noticed a huge difference in performance.

All phenolics, or non-pliable materials should be banned by all sanctioning bodies for use as a tip on any cue. Everyone says this is a black eye on innovation - I say BULLS@#T. Putting a rock hard tip on the end of a ferrule isn't innovation. There were guys in the pool hall back in the 80s that were shooting jump shots with house cues - they picked a cue off the wall with no tip, and could make jump shots with no issue. They were innovators, I guess.

Jumping has been in the pro game for some time now. Back in the 80s and 90s, we were treated to some fantastic safety battles between Earl and Mike, Johnny and Efren. If today's modern jump cue had existed then, phenolic tip and all, it would have lasted one shot - HOOK, JUMP, DONE.
 
I dont mind jumping as a rule, just wish you had to use a full cue if you wanted to do it. Jumpin with accuracy takes great skill, but jumping full cue with accuracy is that much harder.
 
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RRfireblade said:
Just 2 nights ago I had a jump the length of the table , cut the OB in the corner and came around for dead shape on the money ball. I called the shot.

Quite a few people seemed to appreciate seeing that a bit more than the typical get lucky kick/slop shot.
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My comment was regarding the game, not you and your typical get lucky jump/slop shot. phishman is correct, "one in fifty"
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
ALL jump shots and masse shots have an effect on the cloth. Don't fool yourself. Any time you strike a hard phenolic ball down into a piece of slate covered by a cloth material, the cloth gets compressed. Look for the nice white burn marks on your Simonis cloth.

Does this mean that breaking a rack of balls should also be banned? I see more cloth worn and torn from breaking than jumping!
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True enough that jump shots are apparently here to stay, but that doesn't mean some of us have to like it. The problem is that to become good at jump shots, you must first start by being BAD at jump shots and working your way toward some skill at same. Were I still a room owner, I wouldn't want someone learning to shoot the shot on my tables.

I played in a bar tournament last night where not only were jump shots not allowed, there was a sign on the wall that imposed a $50 fine on anyone attempting to execute such as shot. That place also had the best bar boxes I've seen lately. The owner obviously places value in the quality of his tables.

Those of you that approve of the jump probably also think smoking in pool rooms is bad. How the heck can anyone shoot pool in a room not filled with smoke!? :grin:

I'll bet the independent table mechanics like jumps and extreme masse shots. :smile:
 
RRfireblade said:
Sounds like he thinks jumping and kicking are both 1/50. ;)

But I asked you , not him.
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Seeing as how you need to strike down on the cueball with ALOT of force to gain the desired effect, I would conclude that all measure of controlling it is sacrificed. Well amost all, anyway kicking at the shot allows the shooter to control the speed of the cueball and the ball being kicked at. Thus the chances of flying the cueball off the table becomes virtually zero." Luck is when preparation meets opportunity" Chuck Knox.
 
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