8ball How would you play this?

OKay guys thanks for your thoughts.

First this is what I did.... angles might be off slightly but you get the drift.
I tried to take the two hung balls out in one shot. Cueball "A" is where I ended up leaving the 10 ball still standing.
The cuetable I used is a ninefooter and I should have used the 7 footer as everything is much tighter.

My thoughts were to try and get both balls out of there and maybe get lucky and leave the 1ball in the way. At first I wanted to try and hang it up but the angles wouldnt allow it and still get where I needed to be to make the 10.

My opoosition tried an odd safety and left me a chance to then make the 10 and hook him. He kicked and made a good hit. I ran out.

Here is my shot... probably not the right one and not the one I would try again after looking at it for a while.

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Now this shot is what I believe is a better option and what I would shoot now.
I have went through this shot about 50 times since the match and afterwards made my original shot 7 of 10. I left the same shot as I orginally left 2 times and totally goofed once.

With the below shot I executed it 10 out of 10 and then retried it on the exact table we played on and made it 9 out of 10. The one unsuccessful try the 3 hit the cueball and left it out of the corner.

What do you think of this option???
On a bartable everything is much tighter making the cueball leave pretty easy. The 8ball doesnt show it but it was pretty big when leaving the 8 back there. I also remember the top ball being a tough bank in the side.

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Many shots went through my head including
nuzzling the 7 to the 8.

7 into 8 into 10ball leaving cueball backside of 6.

shooting 4 or 5 into 10 and trying to leave whitey behind 6/7.

simple safe separating 6-7 a wee bit and hoping to get a better safe on the next shot.

Shooting one into 9 and leaving cueball ontop of the 6/7 making him jacked
up over them.

Shooting 5 into top corner and drawing off side rail to break up 6/7. (almost shot this)

Nudge 8 into 6/7 and give BIH ... glad I rethought this option.

Carom off 8 making 10 while leaving the 8 in the way of the 15/13.
(still not sure that this is that bad).. I tried it afterwards a few times and got a good leave about 50%. The other 50% the shot was still a cut shot all the way down or a bank.


Thanks again for your thoughts
 
whoaaaa said:
Play a stun shot hitting the 6 into the 9 if possible, but if you can't make sure you leave the 6 blocking from him seeing the 9 ball. You should have a pretty ball-in-hand again with a better layout.
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That was my first thought too. Can lock him up and break up the 6/7 problem at same time
 
Frank,

With all due respect, I'm not too crazy about shooting the 3 into the 10 w/ force follow. Too many bad things can happen I.e. kissing into the 3, under/ overhitting the CB and leaving a shot on the 9, etc.

I chose my option with the goal of making the 10& parking the 4 as the primary goal and hiding behind the 5 as a somewhat secondary goal. The idea is that if I block the 8 from going and don't leave a clean shot at the 9, then he would have to go rail first w/ position on the other two balls, or make some kind of crazy bank to start his run. Don't forget, he still needs to bank the 8. This is assuming that I didn't hook him on the 5 ball.


Eric
 
Without reading anybody elses posts...

I would make the 10 ball with the 5 ball and try to atleast get the cueball beside the 8 ball. If you get it on the end rail you atleast leave him nothing and you leave that pocket closed for the 8.

If your feeling really good you can make the 10 with the 5 and stick the cueball between the 8 and your 2 solids, locking him up. Also you might just nudge these two balls enough for them to go into either corner pocket.

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Or...if your feeling really good you could try this with buttom left's. Or you could just hit the 10 solid.

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Gatz said:
Without reading anybody elses posts...

I would make the 10 ball with the 5 ball and try to atleast get the cueball beside the 8 ball. If you get it on the end rail you atleast leave him nothing and you leave that pocket closed for the 8.

If your feeling really good you can make the 10 with the 5 and stick the cueball between the 8 and your 2 solids, locking him up. Also you might just nudge these two balls enough for them to go into either corner pocket.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4AVsX4CRvS2...YWNf3YXxO3YVtg4jVAw4jVIv3kWdO3kWFf3kKbl3kHpk@

Or...if your feeling really good you could try this lol

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http://CueTable.com/P/?@4AVsX4CRvS2...YWNf3YWFg4jVAw4jVIv4kWIN4kVLY3kbCB3kXxe3kTYn@
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LOL I guess I was feeling really good then...


I looked at trying to get back behind those balls shooting the 4 or 5 into the 10 but I rules the 4 out quickly and reviewed the cueball path off the 5 in behind those balls. I didnt care for it much.
I really liked my shot at the time and think its a good shot had I just had a little more room by the 8.

I dont like trying to leave the cueball behind the five after shooting the four at all.

Shooting the 3 and following wasnt/isnt that hard. Its a bar table and that not that far and the cloth was fast. The 10 was really deep as well.

I think my opponnet messed up once I left him the shot and he didnt shoot the hung up ball. He tried something that I still dont understand...

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He said he wanted to make me shoot his ball in on that side. I guess he forgot I could hook him.
I did this

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I got a bit lucky and really got him stuck on the back of the balls but he messed up stacking his balls. I knew I could get down to that corner area and at worst he has limited shots(i thought almost done except kick to side or cutting combo to corner.)
He kicked and hit his balls and I ran out.


Anyway I love these threads on here. Trouble is we never mess up on Cuetable!!! LOL :grin:
 
Jason Robichaud said:
I would take care of my problem and make them come with something knowing if they miss I win

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Thanks I thought about this but heres what kept popping up immediately in my head... "I would love for someone to leave me two hung up balls on a bar table".
I just kept thought he would kick and make a ball or not move either of the blockers and then i am only slightly better. Had I been able to really hook him behind the 7 and make the blocker I would have liked that.

I looked around for the Ask Efren Button but it was no where to be found. Of course the Magician would have told me to do some crazy azz shot that only he can do. ........ Then he would shoot it smile, laugh, run out and tell me " u rack"
 
no safety yet

Big Perm said:
Thin cut on the 4 in the side with the natural angle to break up the 6 and 7 with a little speed.....next trouble ball to address as quickly as possible is the 1 - use the 3 to set up a straight in where it can go after the 9.....rest should be routine....set up to shoot the 8 where the 1 went......or, you can play the long bank....
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Agree with Big Perm to make 4 in side and break up 6/7. I would do it firmly to get some action in that corner. My next shot would depend largely on how the 6 & 7 broke out. The 10 ball corner pocket and the 9 ball corner pocket are priorities to get clear. Playing safe and leaving the 6/7 cluster would be just prolonging the agony as your opponent has no need to break them up in order to make all his balls. They must be taken care of first
 
Wow. A lot of good suggestions here. Frank I think what you did was a bit chancy and not something I would have done.

I like to look at this and try to dictate to my opponent what I want them to do. With bih I would have played the one ball to his nine and rolled the cue ball to the six ball so that the seven comes out a little to better block the eight ball and this also separates the six and seven. The position of the seven would be important because in case they bank the 15 to the side for cut it to the corner they can only have a shot on the 10 ball and cannot come across the table for the 13 to the far corner because of the seven ball.

With the one ball controlling that pocket they will only have the option to bank the 13 ball to the side with the eight ball still being tucked away.

Of course if they miss the 15 ball which is a very difficult shot the rest is easy once you do something with the 10 ball.

Put yourself in his position after this safe. You will be shooting at either the 15 ball to bank it or cut it into the corner while being pinned up against the rail or to the six ball. The cut to the corner with the 13 ball is out of the question. Let say you make the 15 ball and now you have a shot on the 10 ball but can't play position for the 13 ball to the far corner to the right bottom because of the 7 ball cutting off that path. You will have to settle for a bank to the side while trying to get a shot on the 8 ball that is tied up.
 
dabarbr said:
Wow. A lot of good suggestions here. Frank I think what you did was a bit chancy and not something I would have done.

I like to look at this and try to dictate to my opponent what I want them to do. With bih I would have played the one ball to his nine and rolled the cue ball to the six ball so that the seven comes out a little to better block the eight ball and this also separates the six and seven. The position of the seven would be important because in case they bank the 15 to the side for cut it to the corner they can only have a shot on the 10 ball and cannot come across the table for the 13 to the far corner because of the seven ball.

With the one ball controlling that pocket they will only have the option to bank the 13 ball to the side with the eight ball still being tucked away.

Of course if they miss the 15 ball which is a very difficult shot the rest is easy once you do something with the 10 ball.

Put yourself in his position after this safe. You will be shooting at either the 15 ball to bank it or cut it into the corner while being pinned up against the rail or to the six ball. The cut to the corner with the 13 ball is out of the question. Let say you make the 15 ball and now you have a shot on the 10 ball but can't play position for the 13 ball to the far corner to the right bottom because of the 7 ball cutting off that path. You will have to settle for a bank to the side while trying to get a shot on the 8 ball that is tied up.
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Thanks Frank

I see your points and agree but I didnt want to give them a shot if possible with a ball hung up . I like breaking the balls out like you suggested and am a bit surprised that I didnt see that as well. 7ball could be placed in a way to make the 10 much more difficult of a kick and to play off of for shape.

The 8 really is tighter than it appears on the cuetable(i forgot to change it to a 7 footer).
I am guessing that the risk you mention is that maybe I leave a good shot at the 10?
That was my thought as well and when I left him right on it I thought he would try it but he was worried that he wouldnt get on the 8.

Someone local here suggested shooting in the 10 and pushing the 8 over into my 6/7 while giving up BIH. While it seems to lengthen the game and put a damper into my chances I felt behind anyway.
Best way is to not get hill-hill and get yourself in this spot :eek:

BTW-- I havent told you but I plan on getting some help throughout the year. During the year I am going to do more to improve and play
more in general and more tournaments.
Consider yourself warned...I will be calling or asking to play :grin-square:
 
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