Not sure about that Jay, I saw Ralf put the cue ball in a pocket , when he had ball in hand,......... no foul.
It was the right hand side pocket............of his trousers
Chalk foul
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Not sure about that Jay, I saw Ralf put the cue ball in a pocket , when he had ball in hand,......... no foul.
It was the right hand side pocket............of his trousers
Oh ya and who are you alfred einstein?
Yes and except for when it doesn't.
Donny, Earl was playing somebody in Reno and doing his thing, running rack after rack. It was right in front of the tournament directors table so I'm watching the show. He is almost rushing around the table, taking only one or two practice strokes and shooting. One, two, shoot. One, two shoot.
He chalks up and fumbles with the chalk while setting it down, on the very edge of the rail. He shoots the shot and knocks the chalk off the rail onto the table. The cue ball is heading right for it. Earl makes a quick grab for the chalk and fumbles it again and it falls right onto the cue ball. He looks up at me with a forlorn look on his face. Then he picks up the wayward piece of chalk and hands it to his opponent. One of the funniest things I ever saw.
He won the match anyway, it was just funny.
Malapropism is correct. Watch kingpin.
Jay's situation not a foul in BCAPL play
Not a foul in BCAPL play. BCAPL Rule 1.38.2 applies:
"...[the cueball] remains in hand until your next stroke."
In addition, BCAPL Applied Ruling 1.38 Situation 1 applies. It discusses a player with BIH dropping it into a pocket and still retaining ball in hand. While knocking it into a pocket is not exactly the same thing, the intent is clear. Coupling the intent of the Applied Ruling with the fact that no stroke has been taken clearly supports a ruling of no foul in BCAPL.
Jay, I don't know which version of WSR was in effect when your incident occurred, or if the event was even being played under WSR. The pre-2008 WSR did not clearly address the issue, or even make reference to ongoing placements until taking a stroke (except for an oblique reference in the old 3.10, which only referred to play from behind the head string). So while calling a foul pre-2008 (or not under WSR) could have been supported, I don't think a reading of the current WSR 1.5 clearly supports a foul call. It states:
"...the shooter...may continue to move the cue ball until he executes a shot..."
While WSR offers no further guidance or situational rulings, I would have a hard time calling a foul under the current rule if no shot had occurred. Just my 2 cents...
Buddy Eick
BCAPL National Head Referee
BCAPL Director of Referee Training
Technical Editor, BCAPL Rule Book
bcapl_referee@cox.net
Find the Official Rules of the BCA Pool League here:
http://www.playbca.com/Downloads/Rulebook/CompleteRulebook/tabid/372/Default.aspx
* The contents of this post refer to BCA Pool League (BCAPL) Rules only. The BCAPL National Office has authorized me to act in an official capacity regarding questions about BCAPL Rules matters in public forums.
* Neither I nor any BCAPL referee make any policy decisions regarding BCAPL Rules. Any and all decisions, interpretations, or Applied Rulings are made by the BCAPL National Office and are solely their responsibility. BCAPL referees are enforcers of rules, not legislators. BCAPL Rules 9.5.3 and 9.5.4 apply.
* No reference to, inference concerning, or comment on any other set of rules (WPA, APA, VNEA, TAP, or any other set of rules, public or private) is intended or should be derived from this post unless specifically stated.
* There is no such thing as "BCA Rules" other than in the sense that the Billiard Congress of America (BCA) publishes various rules, including the World Pool-Billiard Association's "World Standardized Rules". The BCA does not edit nor is responsible for the content of the World Standardized Rules. The Official Rules of the BCAPL is a separate and independent set of rules and, to avoid confusion, should not be referred to as "BCA Rules".
* Since 2004, there is no such thing as a "BCA Referee". The BCA no longer has any program to train, certify or sanction billiards referees or officials.
* The BCAPL has no association with the Billiard Congress of America other than in their capacity as a member of the BCA.
* The BCAPL has not addressed every imaginable rules issue, nor will it ever likely be able to, as evidenced by the seemingly endless situations that people dream up or that (more frequently) actually happen. If I do not have the answer to a question I will tell you so, then I will get a ruling from the BCAPL National Office and get back to you as soon as I can. If deemed necessary, the BCAPL will then add the ruling to the "Applied Rulings" section of The Official Rules of the BCA Pool League.
Not a foul in BCAPL play. BCAPL Rule 1.38.2 applies:
"...[the cueball] remains in hand until your next stroke."
In addition, BCAPL Applied Ruling 1.38 Situation 1 applies. It discusses a player with BIH dropping it into a pocket and still retaining ball in hand. While knocking it into a pocket is not exactly the same thing, the intent is clear. Coupling the intent of the Applied Ruling with the fact that no stroke has been taken clearly supports a ruling of no foul in BCAPL.
Jay, I don't know which version of WSR was in effect when your incident occurred, or if the event was even being played under WSR. The pre-2008 WSR did not clearly address the issue, or even make reference to ongoing placements until taking a stroke (except for an oblique reference in the old 3.10, which only referred to play from behind the head string). So while calling a foul pre-2008 (or not under WSR) could have been supported, I don't think a reading of the current WSR 1.5 clearly supports a foul call. It states:
"...the shooter...may continue to move the cue ball until he executes a shot..."
While WSR offers no further guidance or situational rulings, I would have a hard time calling a foul under the current rule if no shot had occurred. Just my 2 cents...
Buddy Eick
BCAPL National Head Referee
BCAPL Director of Referee Training
Technical Editor, BCAPL Rule Book
bcapl_referee@cox.net
Find the Official Rules of the BCA Pool League here:
http://www.playbca.com/Downloads/Rulebook/CompleteRulebook/tabid/372/Default.aspx
* The contents of this post refer to BCA Pool League (BCAPL) Rules only. The BCAPL National Office has authorized me to act in an official capacity regarding questions about BCAPL Rules matters in public forums.
* Neither I nor any BCAPL referee make any policy decisions regarding BCAPL Rules. Any and all decisions, interpretations, or Applied Rulings are made by the BCAPL National Office and are solely their responsibility. BCAPL referees are enforcers of rules, not legislators. BCAPL Rules 9.5.3 and 9.5.4 apply.
* No reference to, inference concerning, or comment on any other set of rules (WPA, APA, VNEA, TAP, or any other set of rules, public or private) is intended or should be derived from this post unless specifically stated.
* There is no such thing as "BCA Rules" other than in the sense that the Billiard Congress of America (BCA) publishes various rules, including the World Pool-Billiard Association's "World Standardized Rules". The BCA does not edit nor is responsible for the content of the World Standardized Rules. The Official Rules of the BCAPL is a separate and independent set of rules and, to avoid confusion, should not be referred to as "BCA Rules".
* Since 2004, there is no such thing as a "BCA Referee". The BCA no longer has any program to train, certify or sanction billiards referees or officials.
* The BCAPL has no association with the Billiard Congress of America other than in their capacity as a member of the BCA.
* The BCAPL has not addressed every imaginable rules issue, nor will it ever likely be able to, as evidenced by the seemingly endless situations that people dream up or that (more frequently) actually happen. If I do not have the answer to a question I will tell you so, then I will get a ruling from the BCAPL National Office and get back to you as soon as I can. If deemed necessary, the BCAPL will then add the ruling to the "Applied Rulings" section of The Official Rules of the BCA Pool League.