Spinning a Bludworth Shaft

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Run the Century

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I have a lathe and a bludworth - he uses a different pin than most (.348X11.455). I like using an arbor with a shoulder when I clean my shafts - is there anyone who sells arbors for Blud's shafts? Thanks!

If such an arbor doesnt exist how do you guys safetly turn his shafts?

Chris
 
I believe John Rocker makes custom maintenance kits. I think he goes by Rocket Cues on here.

You can always make a collet and chuck up on that.
 
Collets

I have used collets before and had the shaft slip out (I dont feel as comfortable using them). Appreciate the response though!!
 
Something you can do until you find the correct arbor is to improvise.
Bludworth's pin is amazingly similar to a metric import pin found on some very low-end cues that come from S.E. Asia.
Be mindful that the pin is not EXACT but very close. It will screw into the shaft approx. 3/4"+. You can add a shoulder to the pin and BINGO, you have an arbor.

I haven't found time to add a shoulder to mine yet.
When I use my pin of this type, I first screw the pin into the shaft just to the point of feeling the threads about to bind. Then I place the pin/shaft assembly in my chuck with the joint-face of the shaft making contact with the face of the chuck/jaws. This prevents the shaft from screwing itself further onto the pin and possibly compromising the threads in the shaft. They're just wood after all.

This should get you by until the correct arbor makes itself available.
If John doesn't have one in the works at the moment, it's likely he will soon.
 
i can have donald get you one.....he taked phenolic and taps it so a but will chuck up and then sends a pin along with it. i think he charges 35 and whatever shippin is
 
arbors

Run the Century said:
I have a lathe and a bludworth - he uses a different pin than most (.348X11.455). I like using an arbor with a shoulder when I clean my shafts - is there anyone who sells arbors for Blud's shafts? Thanks!

If such an arbor doesnt exist how do you guys safetly turn his shafts?

Chris
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I build and sell the arbors for my cues, contact me @ bludcues@yahoo.com,
or PM me here on AZ, and or call me on my cell,
830-275-0302

BTW, your the first in many, many, years, who really knows what size my pins is.
blud
 
bad info

KJ Cues said:
Something you can do until you find the correct arbor is to improvise.
Bludworth's pin is amazingly similar to a metric import pin found on some very low-end cues that come from S.E. Asia.
Be mindful that the pin is not EXACT but very close. It will screw into the shaft approx. 3/4"+. You can add a shoulder to the pin and BINGO, you have an arbor.

I haven't found time to add a shoulder to mine yet.
When I use my pin of this type, I first screw the pin into the shaft just to the point of feeling the threads about to bind. Then I place the pin/shaft assembly in my chuck with the joint-face of the shaft making contact with the face of the chuck/jaws. This prevents the shaft from screwing itself further onto the pin and possibly compromising the threads in the shaft. They're just wood after all.

This should get you by until the correct arbor makes itself available.
If John doesn't have one in the works at the moment, it's likely he will soon.
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KJ cues is giving BAD INFO, ABOUT MY CUES. PAY NO ATTENTION TO THIS CRAP.Just telling the truth, KC cues.....
Whatever you do, DO NOT use a pin that is not the correct thread pitch, for my cues. This is bad advice. It's not quality work, by any means. This has been tired before and it's always the same, it screws up the wooden threads. DON'T DO IT.
IF THIS IS DONE AS HE EXPLAINED, THE SHAFT WILL WIGGLE, [NO MATTER WHO DOES IT] AND THAT ALONE WILL CAUSE THE THREADS TO BREAK. Then you have a shaft that will need to be repaired.
Send it to me, and I'll fix it if this happens, and fix it the way it should be. I'll turn it with one of my arbors, and not with some odd ball pin, that dosen't fit...

Leonard Bludworth
Maker of Bludworth Cues.
 
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KJ Cues said:
Something you can do until you find the correct arbor is to improvise.
Bludworth's pin is amazingly similar to a metric import pin found on some very low-end cues that come from S.E. Asia.
Be mindful that the pin is not EXACT but very close. It will screw into the shaft approx. 3/4"+. You can add a shoulder to the pin and BINGO, you have an arbor.

I haven't found time to add a shoulder to mine yet.
When I use my pin of this type, I first screw the pin into the shaft just to the point of feeling the threads about to bind. Then I place the pin/shaft assembly in my chuck with the joint-face of the shaft making contact with the face of the chuck/jaws. This prevents the shaft from screwing itself further onto the pin and possibly compromising the threads in the shaft. They're just wood after all.

This should get you by until the correct arbor makes itself available.
If John doesn't have one in the works at the moment, it's likely he will soon.
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Yes, I just screened your post and you sir, are giving out bad info, on how to drive my cues, with a not so fit drive pin...
Leonard Bludworth
 
blud said:
KC cues is giving BAD INFO, ABOUT MY CUES. PAY NO ATTENTION TO THIS CRAP.Just telling the truth, KC cues.....
Whatever you do, DO NOT use a pin that is not the correct thread pitch, for my cues. This is bad advice. It's not quality work, by any means. This has been tired before and it's always the same, it screws up the wooden threads. DON'T DO IT.
IF THIS IS DONE AS HE EXPLAINED, THE SHAFT WILL WIGGLE, [NO MATTER WHO DOES IT] AND THAT ALONE WILL CAUSE THE THREADS TO BREAK. Then you have a shaft that will need to be repaired.
Send it to me, and I'll fix it if this happens, and fix it the way it should be. I'll turn it with one of my arbors, and not with some odd ball pin, that dosen't fit...

Leonard Bludworth
Maker of Bludworth Cues.
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Mr. Bludworth,

How honored I must be to have my name mentioned in one of your posts; two actually. I'd be even more honored had you chosen to spell my name correctly.
But worse things have happened and that's not what this post is about.

What you so politely refer to as 'CRAP information' was an attempt on my part to help someone who was asking for a solution to a problem. I stated very clearly that he could 'improvise', meaning that it would be a temporary work-around "until the correct arbor could be located", which I stated. I also stated : "the pin is not EXACT but very close". I tried to make my statements as clear as possible. I'm very sorry if you mis-interpreted my words.

I only build approx. 200 or so after-market shafts a year and of those, I have the privilege of building maybe 1 or 2 a year for a Bludworth cue. I should be honest to tell you that I use the Atlas modified 3/8x11-1/2 tap for those. That may not sit well with you because it's not a true 11.455 pitch. I haven't inquired as to what Atlas's sales numbers are on this tap but my guess would be that a lot of CMs are using it. Interestingly enough, it works. I've never had any complaints on the fit either.

I'm certain that you realize that CMs can be a little bit creative when it comes to solving a problem. They'll do some of the gosh-darnedest things to get the job done and if they're successful, they won't have caused any harm in the process.
I believe the 3rd sentence of The Physician's Hippocratic Oath is 'to do no harm'. I'm not a doctor but I apply that philosophy to every cue repair that I undertake. Nor do I offer any advice that knowingly would cause damage.

When I use the pin I described, it's merely for holding the shaft while I'm shooting finish. The lathe is turning slowly and the only load on the shaft is gravity. I can assure you that there is no damage being done to the threads within the shaft. Common sense is the first requirement when using any part/adapter that isn't 'factory authorized'.

FWIW, the alternate pin that I suggested is EXACTLY the same diameter as yours, .348". The pitch may be ever so slightly different than yours but then so is the pitch of the Atlas tap. Just curious, how much do you sell your tap for?

After I made my initial post, I had a sense that you would be along soon to take exception to my suggestion. I will also agree that you have every right to, on at least several levels. But I made my post based on what my experience has shown me. No, it ain't Kosher, but it works in a pinch.

So, I apologize if my post(s) didn't/don't sit well with you.
They can't all be Michelob moments.
 
works or not

KJ, It's not something I would do. If done once or 100 times, it's wrong, but if you think it's ok to use the wrong thread, go right ahead.It's wrong, and could damage both the shaft and your reputation.

BTW, I drink Landshark.
blud
 
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