Who's Attending the BCA trade Show

carter1984

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Just wondering what AZ'ers/room owners might be thinking of attending the trade show in July.

Also, do you think there is value for your business in attending the show and or joining the BCA.
 
I don't own a pool room, but I honestly do not understand why the BCA Trade Show is becoming more & more like a show for people who want to put stuff like Barbecues, Hot Tubs, Poker Tables, and Furniture in their back yard.

My buddy who had a small pool cue, and accessory business here in the West Side of the Valley of the Sun, mentioned the last time he went to the BCA Trade Show it was in his mind less and less about Billiards, and more and more about stuff like Barbecues, Hot Tubs, Poker Tables, and Furniture the the back yard.

He dropped his BCA Membership for that very reason.
 
I don't own a pool room, but I honestly do not understand why the BCA Trade Show is becoming more & more like a show for people who want to put stuff like Barbecues, Hot Tubs, Poker Tables, and Furniture in their back yard.

My buddy who had a small pool cue, and accessory business here in the West Side of the Valley of the Sun, mentioned the last time he went to the BCA Trade Show it was in his mind less and less about Billiards, and more and more about stuff like Barbecues, Hot Tubs, Poker Tables, and Furniture the the back yard.

He dropped his BCA Membership for that very reason.

When was the last time he went? The last 3 years I don't recall any hot tubs or barbecues. And the majority of the furniture I remember is gameroom furniture. It has gotten smaller each year but not off topic of billiards.
 
I would say 5 years ago, as I just called him, asked, and that is what he recalled.

I would recommend coming back. It is a good show and in my oppinion a positive thing for our industry. I go every year to see the new tables coming out and to network with others in the industry. It is in Vegas so there is plenty of other things to do while your there. People knock the BCA but they are all we have right now. I support them and hope they can make it through the tough times we are all going through.
 
Been going since its inception, mostly to see the new products and meet friends made over the last 30 years, AND to get out of town with the wifey away from the children.
 
The only bbq I remember is one made my Harley Davidson. It was an entire booth of Harley stuff. A Harley Pool table and bar. Overall Its still 97% Billiard stuff. Very rarely is a booth not related to the industry at all. Like maybe a vendor of insurance or bottled water or something like that. I enjoy going to the shows but dont have the time and money like I used to.
 
Well I can say that over the 8 or so years I have been there I have seen everything from indoor golf to saunas to scooters. One year we were even set up next to someone selling massage chairs (we ended up buying a couple of them that we still use). A few years ago there was such an outcry against introducing competition to billiards (coupled with the fact that the show just doesn't deliver enough qualified buyers and this turned many non-billiards related business away) that there was shift from bringing in non-billiards related vendors. This year, the BCA will introduce the "Pool and Spa Pavilion" and you wont miss these vendors as they will be positioned right at the front of the hall. Again, this is an effort to attract more buyers to the show.

The BCA sold the amateur leagues, they no longer host the Hall of Fame or BCA Championship tournament, and they have not produce or distributed any quantifiable market research in two years. It seems to me that all they really do now is host a trade show, and even that is attracting fewer and fewer attendees. Maybe they are doing things to promote the sport, and bring value to its membership, and I am just unaware of it. Can anyone point out what these contributions may be?

I guess I am still seeking thoughts on the value the BCA brings to its membership. What are folks getting for their membership dues? Why is the trade show so important when only a handful of people involved in the business of billiards are there, either as consumers or vendors?

Is everyone content with the direction they see the Billiards Congress of America taking?

Is there more that anyone would like to see from the BCA than a trade show that is lightly attended?

How can the organization do a better job and what would make it worthwhile for more room owners and retailers to join?
 
I have seen ping pong tables, foosball tables, video games, virtual golf, poker, spas, poker tables, non-billiard furniture and a host of other things that are directly OPPOSED to the activity of playing billiards and buying billiard tables.

I am sorry but if there is a booth selling air hockey tables and foosball tables and ping pong table then that person is there to convince buyers that they can make more money by having their activity. Unless all these buyers are willing to expand their space to accommodate the new ping pong tables and foos ball tables and poker tables they are going to be taking out pool tables to fit the new stuff in.

If the BCA is all we have then it's time to let it die and do something else. Because the Billiard Congress of America has completely abandoned it's founding mission which was to promote the sport of billiards.

It's a simple equation, more people playing pool means more business for billiard industry members.

On what planet does it make sense to allow Table Tennis and Foosball and Video Games a chance at the Billiard Industry trade show to woo buyers away from spending their money on billiard equipment.

Even if the show were 97% billiards and 3% other sports it's still too much. Period. But it's not 97% billiards.

The fact of the matter is that the BCA is NOTHING MORE than a real estate broker who rents real estate for 2.5 days at outrageous prices and caters to the members who buy the most booth space AND who happen to be board members. They DO NOT listen to their members, members do not have equal votes, and the largest exhibitors run the trade show and by default the BCA.

The BCA has no value to the average billiard business, it's trade show is a farce. It's a place for some people to go and see old friends and there are many diehards who go religiously every year just because they always have but the trade show as a truly successful endeavor for most businesses that attend it is long over. At the moment it's pretty much a ponzi scheme luring in "new" exhibitors who don't know any better.

It's a good old boys club where the largest exhibitors who have been there longest do their best to freeze out the newer competition. Those exhibitors are all on the board coincindentally.

I see no value to the present BCA. None. Personally I vote to expand the Super Billiards Expo into a general billiards exposition. That show at least gets traffic that is meaningful to vendors.

Hopefully someday I will change my mind and once again be a proud member of the BCA but for now I am not at all impressed with their direction and see no reason to support them.

If I controlled the marketing budget then I would spend whatever I had planned for the BCA on other avenues. It's a wasted trip as far as I am concerned.

I am not the only one who feels this way. Just one of the few who come out and say it.
 
Our Industry Trade show open to the public? Don't think that would be a good idea. The SBE is a great place for cue and case dealers to deal direct with the public. That is the majority of the vendors there. The SBE is for the Players and BCA is for the business owner. I am a former poolroom owner of 13 years and still a fulltime pool table mechanic. A couple of years ago I became partners in a Billiards and Gameroom store. I would also like to see more billiard related items at the show, but the gameroom themed items which can be sold with pool tables is logical to me. I think if the BCA needs changes then let's come up with some ideas and present them to the powers that be.
 
Our Industry Trade show open to the public? Don't think that would be a good idea. The SBE is a great place for cue and case dealers to deal direct with the public. That is the majority of the vendors there. The SBE is for the Players and BCA is for the business owner. I am a former poolroom owner of 13 years and still a fulltime pool table mechanic. A couple of years ago I became partners in a Billiards and Gameroom store. I would also like to see more billiard related items at the show, but the gameroom themed items which can be sold with pool tables is logical to me. I think if the BCA needs changes then let's come up with some ideas and present them to the powers that be.

Mr. O'Donnell,

With all due respect the industry trade show as it currently exists may be great for you as a visitor but it's terrible for the exhibitors.

It is no coincidence that even the largest exhibitors have cut their display space in half. At the same time that they were allowing changes that destroyed the show's and in my opinion, the industry's integrity, they also realized a simple economic truth, less buyers equals less revenue equals less ability to incur expenses.

When you as an exhibitor have to spend upwards of $50,000 to attend a show and have to compete with a lot of domestic and foreign competition for a much lower amount of qualified buyers in a shorter span of time then the end result is that each exhibitor ends up with less. Some exhibitors don't even get to SEE most of the people that do attend because the show hours are so short that the buyers are spending most of the time they have dealing with the companies that they have always dealt with.

As for the related items that can be sold next to pool tables, I am in favor of those things, posters, bars, gameroom furniture (except poker tables), etc... I am NOT in favor of allowing the sale or promotion of ANY OTHER activity that competes with billiards.

Where is the sense of allowing poker related items to be sold at the BILLIARD Congress of America's trade show. Last year or the year before someone was selling a poker video game that allowed two players to play heads up poker and it seemed as if the seller was doing very well.

It doesn't take a math genius to figure out that the more dollars that flow into the poker machine are less that goes into billiards.

I don't know, maybe I am wrong about this but do you think it would be wise for a travel industry organization to allow a lot of videoconferencing companies to come in and exhibit at the travel industry trade show?

The fact of the matter is that the show used to be in June/July and it was perfect there. The pool rooms and billiard supply places were in their slow season and could make time to attend, the cuemakers could build more cues after the SBE and have stock for the BCA Expo, foreign buyers didn't have two shows back to back with the SBE and the BCA Expo. The BCA expo didn't conflict with major event which allowed for professional player attendance.

The result was that we had more exhibitors and more attractions for visitors and those visitors weren't leaving their stores in the busy time.

But the largest exhibitors complained that they wanted the show to be earlier in order to facilitate their manufacturing, mostly their overseas manufacturing to accommodate the orders that they received at the show.

So just like that the show was moved to April and it wiped out a 50 booth block of domestic cue makers. Bad for them great for the big exhibitors with less competition for their cue brands.

Just like the visitor attendance dropped off sharply.

The members of the BCA VOTED overwhelmingly to have the show MOVED back to June/July. The largest exhibitors then threatened to pull out of the show and just like that the inmates took over the asylum.

The BCA MEMBER vote was disregarded in favor of tailoring the trade show to fit the largest exhibitors and what has been the end result?

The largest exhibitors have cut their booths in half, overall booth sales are down, and the good old boys control the show - they get the prime spots, work to keep any opposition off the board of directors, and of course in this situation of less visitors they still get the lion's share of the business.

Instead of seeking to grow a larger pie they have elected to shrink it and do whatever it takes to protect their slices.

If by contrast a show like the Super Billiards Expo were the main industry show then the INDUSTRY would benefit by the vendors getting a firsthand taste of how their products are received by consumers. Prospective dealers could witness the popularity and put their orders in.

Case in point: At the SBE we sold out of one of our lines of cases. We sold a lot to consumers - I say we sold at least 1-2 every 15 minutes that the show was open on average. As a result the dealers that were there saw how the cases were received and we sold out the remaining stock to dealers and took more dealer orders on top of it. We did MORE dealer business at the SBE last week with these cases than we have done in the past TWO YEARS at the BCA Expo.

I am just throwing it out there. Because the current situation is broken.
 
If ths is the TRADE show of the BILLIARD'S Congress of America, you would think it should be all about pool, snooker, and billiards and noting more. I would think the BILLIARD'S Congress of America should be all about promoting pool, snooker, and billiards.
 
If ths is the TRADE show of the BILLIARD'S Congress of America, you would think it should be all about pool, snooker, and billiards and noting more. I would think the BILLIARD'S Congress of America should be all about promoting pool, snooker, and billiards.

Are you in the billiard industry or a player. Because right now tables are not selling to well and alot of pool room and retail stores are closing. To sell strickly sell billiards is a sure way to close a retail store with rent at $4500.00 a month in this economy. This is my opinion.
 
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Mr. O'Donnell,

With all due respect the industry trade show as it currently exists may be great for you as a visitor but it's terrible for the exhibitors.

It is no coincidence that even the largest exhibitors have cut their display space in half. At the same time that they were allowing changes that destroyed the show's and in my opinion, the industry's integrity, they also realized a simple economic truth, less buyers equals less revenue equals less ability to incur expenses.

When you as an exhibitor have to spend upwards of $50,000 to attend a show and have to compete with a lot of domestic and foreign competition for a much lower amount of qualified buyers in a shorter span of time then the end result is that each exhibitor ends up with less. Some exhibitors don't even get to SEE most of the people that do attend because the show hours are so short that the buyers are spending most of the time they have dealing with the companies that they have always dealt with.

As for the related items that can be sold next to pool tables, I am in favor of those things, posters, bars, gameroom furniture (except poker tables), etc... I am NOT in favor of allowing the sale or promotion of ANY OTHER activity that competes with billiards.

Where is the sense of allowing poker related items to be sold at the BILLIARD Congress of America's trade show. Last year or the year before someone was selling a poker video game that allowed two players to play heads up poker and it seemed as if the seller was doing very well.

It doesn't take a math genius to figure out that the more dollars that flow into the poker machine are less that goes into billiards.

I don't know, maybe I am wrong about this but do you think it would be wise for a travel industry organization to allow a lot of videoconferencing companies to come in and exhibit at the travel industry trade show?

The fact of the matter is that the show used to be in June/July and it was perfect there. The pool rooms and billiard supply places were in their slow season and could make time to attend, the cuemakers could build more cues after the SBE and have stock for the BCA Expo, foreign buyers didn't have two shows back to back with the SBE and the BCA Expo. The BCA expo didn't conflict with major event which allowed for professional player attendance.

The result was that we had more exhibitors and more attractions for visitors and those visitors weren't leaving their stores in the busy time.

But the largest exhibitors complained that they wanted the show to be earlier in order to facilitate their manufacturing, mostly their overseas manufacturing to accommodate the orders that they received at the show.

So just like that the show was moved to April and it wiped out a 50 booth block of domestic cue makers. Bad for them great for the big exhibitors with less competition for their cue brands.

Just like the visitor attendance dropped off sharply.

The members of the BCA VOTED overwhelmingly to have the show MOVED back to June/July. The largest exhibitors then threatened to pull out of the show and just like that the inmates took over the asylum.

The BCA MEMBER vote was disregarded in favor of tailoring the trade show to fit the largest exhibitors and what has been the end result?

The largest exhibitors have cut their booths in half, overall booth sales are down, and the good old boys control the show - they get the prime spots, work to keep any opposition off the board of directors, and of course in this situation of less visitors they still get the lion's share of the business.

Instead of seeking to grow a larger pie they have elected to shrink it and do whatever it takes to protect their slices.

If by contrast a show like the Super Billiards Expo were the main industry show then the INDUSTRY would benefit by the vendors getting a firsthand taste of how their products are received by consumers. Prospective dealers could witness the popularity and put their orders in.

Case in point: At the SBE we sold out of one of our lines of cases. We sold a lot to consumers - I say we sold at least 1-2 every 15 minutes that the show was open on average. As a result the dealers that were there saw how the cases were received and we sold out the remaining stock to dealers and took more dealer orders on top of it. We did MORE dealer business at the SBE last week with these cases than we have done in the past TWO YEARS at the BCA Expo.

I am just throwing it out there. Because the current situation is broken.

Mr JB Cases,
I see your point now. I was not looking at it the way you are. If I were in your shoes I would probaly feel the same way. I will have a more open mind to the discussion on the BCA. I am glad you did well at the SBE. Hope you more success in the future.
 
Are you in the billiard industry or a player. Because right now tables are not selling to well and alot of pool room and retail stores are closing. To sell strickly sell billiards is a sure way to close a retail store with rent at $4500.00 a month in this economy. This is my opinion.

I play Pool, and BTW sell some Billiard Accessories to support my habit to the SNOW BIRDS, who for the most part are going home soon. I would love to experence the BCA Trade Show Personally, but some would call me just a TRUNK DEALER with so Brick & Mortar OPERATION. BTW this year my sales have been poo poo.
 
Are you in the billiard industry or a player. Because right now tables are not selling to well and alot of pool room and retail stores are closing. To sell strickly sell billiards is a sure way to close a retail store with rent at $4500.00 a month in this economy. This is my opinion.

I don't think that retailers should be in any way restricted from what they sell.

I just think that the Billiard Congress of America has no business selling booth space to activities which take people away from pool and billiards.

If you want to put ping pong and air hockey tables in your store then great, go to the shows which feature those items and get your merchandise.

When you come to the Billiard Congress of America's industry expo then you should be presented with the latest in items having to do with pool and billiards. Will that make a smaller show? It sure will. Will you then have more time to focus on the things having to do with pool and billiards? You bet. Will you bring a budget to spend on pool and billiards stuff? Of course. Is there a chance that you may reallocate some of those funds towards some non-billiards merchandise at a strictly billiards show? Unlikely.

Your point about pool table sales being slow and pool rooms closing says it all.

Where has the BCA promoted billiards in the past twenty years?

The old president John Ducoff once told me -proudly- that he and his assistant Carolyn spent much of their time going to other shows to find exhibitors for the BCA show. As if this is a GOOD thing?

Why wasn't the BCA spending money setting up booths at those shows to convince the people attending that they should invest in pool instead?

Why hasn't the BCA done any barnstorming tours around the country in malls to show people what a great game pool is?

Where are the high school programs, the college programs?

Why isnt' the BCA working with professional players to promote the game of pool in youth centers?

Has the BCA ever sent out RULE BOOKS to all the YMCA and Boys and Girls Clubs in America?

Part of the REASON that a retailer cannot survive on pool tables alone and rooms are closing is because the Billiard Congress of America has FAILED YOU.

They have deliberately FAILED you in order to pursue short term profits for themselves and for the elite membership. An elite membership by the way which does not pay ONE PENNY MORE to support the industry than any other voting member.

The orginal mandate of the Billiard Congress of America was to promote pool and billiards as a sport and pastime. Not to be a trade show organizer.

What kind of a boost would it be for pool if the BCA booked some late night infomercial time and let that run for a year? I don't know but it would certainly be worth a try wouldn't it?
 
Why hasn't the BCA done any barnstorming tours around the country in malls to show people what a great game pool is?

Where are the high school programs, the college programs?

Why isnt' the BCA working with professional players to promote the game of pool in youth centers?

Has the BCA ever sent out RULE BOOKS to all the YMCA and Boys and Girls Clubs in America?

The above are 4 GREAT Questions, is any one on this Forum affiliated with the BCA, who can answer the WHYS???????
 
I don't think that retailers should be in any way restricted from what they sell.

I just think that the Billiard Congress of America has no business selling booth space to activities which take people away from pool and billiards.

If you want to put ping pong and air hockey tables in your store then great, go to the shows which feature those items and get your merchandise.

When you come to the Billiard Congress of America's industry expo then you should be presented with the latest in items having to do with pool and billiards. Will that make a smaller show? It sure will. Will you then have more time to focus on the things having to do with pool and billiards? You bet. Will you bring a budget to spend on pool and billiards stuff? Of course. Is there a chance that you may reallocate some of those funds towards some non-billiards merchandise at a strictly billiards show? Unlikely.

Your point about pool table sales being slow and pool rooms closing says it all.

Where has the BCA promoted billiards in the past twenty years?

The old president John Ducoff once told me -proudly- that he and his assistant Carolyn spent much of their time going to other shows to find exhibitors for the BCA show. As if this is a GOOD thing?

Why wasn't the BCA spending money setting up booths at those shows to convince the people attending that they should invest in pool instead?

Why hasn't the BCA done any barnstorming tours around the country in malls to show people what a great game pool is?

Where are the high school programs, the college programs?

Why isnt' the BCA working with professional players to promote the game of pool in youth centers?

Has the BCA ever sent out RULE BOOKS to all the YMCA and Boys and Girls Clubs in America?

Part of the REASON that a retailer cannot survive on pool tables alone and rooms are closing is because the Billiard Congress of America has FAILED YOU.

They have deliberately FAILED you in order to pursue short term profits for themselves and for the elite membership. An elite membership by the way which does not pay ONE PENNY MORE to support the industry than any other voting member.

The orginal mandate of the Billiard Congress of America was to promote pool and billiards as a sport and pastime. Not to be a trade show organizer.

What kind of a boost would it be for pool if the BCA booked some late night infomercial time and let that run for a year? I don't know but it would certainly be worth a try wouldn't it?

Good questions...I don't have any answers..I am out of this thread.
 
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