About the "no earplugs" rule at the US Open 10Ball event

It doesn't hold any weight at all.

IF ANYTHING, people have arguments because of not hearing things, when earplugs are NOT involved.
Most likely because people just assume that everyone has perfect hearing and can hear them say "you're on 2" in a low voice when someone is turned away from them with their back towards them.

But realistically, speaking from experience and having known other players who have dabbled with earplugs, i have never seen an argument regarding someone not hearing something.

I don’t disagree with you here Superstar. In fact, at the end of my post, I mentioned that whether or not earplugs or earphones actually cause disputes over hearing is an issue in itself. I did say that more disputes happen when people don’t hear calls, which I stand by because I have seen lots of arguments spawning from something not being heard (ex: telling someone they're on two fouls) but I didn’t necessarily call out earplugs as the cause; I'm just saying that when people really don't hear or recieve certain important messages, it's bad. If the tournament host believes that they do in fact cause hearing problems, they will ban them as an attempt to avoid these miscommunications. I can say that I too don’t see earplugs, or even earphones as a direct cause of disputes as long as you’re responsible about it (pay attention to the player at the table, don’t stare off into space, use common sense). I’ve never had an experience where a player (a knowledgeable player at least) has been completely shut out after putting in the buds or plugs.

However, I wouldn’t necessarily say that people who can’t hear well at all with ear plugs don’t exist (it’s not like I’ve met every pool player in the world). There might even be some people who can hear with them in, but will choose to dispute over hearing in an attempt to get out of a foul or to get ball in hand or something of that nature. It might be possible that some of these tournaments have seen these types of people and then decided to ban the use of ear plugs/earphones solely because of their experiences with those people. Of course, I’m only speculating here.

I think you and I can both agree that you have to be responsible when you play with earphones or earplugs, regardless of whether or not you can hear with them in. If you can be responsible playing with earplugs and earphones, you can go through a match with no disputes, so long as your opponent isn’t a really shady character. It could be that these people hosting tournaments don’t believe all players are capable of that level of responsibility and so they ban ear plugs for everyone eliminating the need to single out only those who don’t know how to use them properly.

You do make a very good point about the shortage of detailed experiences involving someone with earplugs or earphones not hearing something. I don’t think I’ve seen too many myself for that matter. That could be a fair indicator that perhaps this isn’t as big of a problem as some are making it out to be.
 
Is there any applause in 14.1?


Superstar, on this one issue I must disagree. I think the wearing of earphones is incredibly disrespectful to your opponent, as well as to a paying audience.

I would never applaud a shot made by someone who is intentionally making it so he can't hear me.

- Steve
 
You know, if this turns out to become a rule, I am carrying a set of ear hair trimmers to ensure my "hairy" opponent can hear me very clearly.
 
If I'm playing a tournament or even practicing in a loud pool room, I will put in earplugs. I have heard complaints about it, but not directly to my face. I generally tell my opponent I am putting them in, so they know I can still hear them and they don't have to alter any form of communication in order to accommodate me. For those of you who think it is rude to not be able to hear or communicate with your opponent... you are wrong. I can still hear my opponent rather well! The earplugs block out much of the ambient and background noises, they don't block out everything! If you're going to ban earplugs, then why not ban anyone making disrespectful noises or any other non-pool related sound! If the complaining and banning of insignificant things (phenolic tips, LD shafts, bridges, extensions, etc...) doesn't stop we'll have to play our matches like this: Empty room with both players and a ref, one piece of chalk to share and one cue to share, both players will have to be equal height and weight so that there are no unfair advantages... etc!!! This is becoming ridiculous and I am constantly astounded by posts like these! Should I take my contacts out next because someone else can only wear glasses? So then the person with lasik surgery shouldn't be able to play at all? Why do we continue to wonder why opinions of pool players in general are so low? Why can't we get OR KEEP good/reputable sponsors? Why is the sport we love slowly disappearing? Stop complaining all the time and just enjoy the game while its still here!

(Stands up and begins a slow clap)
 
I don't think people understand how hearing aids work.
It's artificial noise. It's not how a normal person hears. Hard to explain to others. You need to try them to fully understand. Even with them I have to read lips to understand some people.
As far as ear plugs or hearing protection when playing I'm all for it. I have missed some calls because of my hearing or lack there of. My loss. JMHO.
 
I don't think people understand how hearing aids work.
It's artificial noise. It's not how a normal person hears. Hard to explain to others. You need to try them to fully understand. Even with them I have to read lips to understand some people.
As far as ear plugs or hearing protection when playing I'm all for it. I have missed some calls because of my hearing or lack there of. My loss. JMHO.

In snooker there is a situation where the ref can instruct the player.
If the shooter is color-blind and is shooting a brown 4-ball thinking it
is a red,the ref must warn him.I think this is a good rule.
Therefore if a hearing-impaired player doesn't hear 'you're on 2 or
you got ball-in-hand or whatever' i feel he should get consideration.

30-some years ago i gave a deaf-and-dumb man a decent cue 'cause
he had a pretty good stroke.The game was frustrating for him because
hearing is a good part of learning.
Finally,after about 5 tries,he won a match.I went to the table and turned
him around so he could see 50 people applauding.His smile lit up the room.

Anybody who thinks hearing-impairment is an advantage should see
the movie 'The Heart is a Lonely Hunter'.
 
I have never heard a legitimate reason for denying a player the right to wear Ear PLUGS.

First and foremost, not to trash the people who make the rules, but I doubt if those people have ever used EAR PLUGS for any length of time.

I speak from experience.
1. Ear Plugs lessen the noise levels and do not eliminate sound.

2. I have never had a problem, NOT ONCE, with an opponent telling me I'm on two, the object ball is frozen OR ANYTHING ELSE, while wearing EAR PLUGS. I've never had an opponent complain that I could not hear them.

3. My Ear PLUGS are custom made and formed to fit the inside of my ears but I have used the sponge plugs and other types of EAR PLUGS.

4. Every reason I have ever heard against USING EAR PLUGS, is INVALID , in my opnion .

5. I am an open-minded person and would love to discuss this rule with anyone.

6. I have always had a hearing impairment, well, ever since I served in the Marine Corps. I lost a portion of my hearing there and it continues to worsen with time. Ear plugs do not contribute to my hearing impairment contrary to what you might think. In fact, I believe that ear plugs filter out some of the background noise and actually help me hear more clearly.
Background noise like music, multiple conversations, or any other audio background diminish my ability to hear the one conversation directly closest to me.

7. If the RULE MAKERS wish to discuss this further, they can PM me. I'll give them an earful. :wink:

JoeyA

Well said.

And, FWIW, I completely agree. There is no disrespect involved when wearing them (I also tend to wear them since I have a hearing hypersensitivity issue).

Ray
 
So are you saying he doesn't?

I can't picture a player of his caliber playing with a loose ferrule
unless he couldn't hear it.
Also,i can hear a skid usually or a rail where the bolts aren't tight.
He has to get his info in a more complicated manner,somewhat like
a one-eyed person has to judge depth perception.
 
I can't picture a player of his caliber playing with a loose ferrule
unless he couldn't hear it.
Also,i can hear a skid usually or a rail where the bolts aren't tight.
He has to get his info in a more complicated manner,somewhat like
a one-eyed person has to judge depth perception.

FAIL!!!

So now he turns his hearing aid down ALL THE TIME?!?!
REALLY!?!?!?!?!?
Are you of this earth?

There is practice time you know.

How are we to know if he doesn't turn the volume all the way up to check his equipment out during practice, or check the table out, before the match, when he's banging balls around, BEFORE the match starts and he turns down the noise?


It's like talking to concrete.

edit: How exactly do we know that your assumption is a handicap, and not an advantage in pool?
 
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FAIL!!!

So now he turns his hearing aid down ALL THE TIME?!?!
REALLY!?!?!?!?!?
Are you of this earth?

There is practice time you know.

How are we to know if he doesn't turn the volume all the way up to check his equipment out during practice, or check the table out, before the match, when he's banging balls around, BEFORE the match starts and he turns down the noise?


It's like talking to concrete.
Perhaps we could test whether his hearing aid is on by asking him
to play for a g-note.....
...you go first
 
Perhaps we could test whether his hearing aid is on by asking him
to play for a g-note.....
...you go first

I think it's pretty well established that he turns it down during play.
So far, every single one of your comments have been about deafness, and none of them have addressed earplugs when compared to a deaf person in the ability to tune out background noise so that there are less distractions.

Maybe, in your next post, you might address earplugs, instead of going on a crusade to point out the hardships in life that a deaf person can have., as it has no bearing on the topic at hand.

As far as i can tell, regardless of what hardships SVB has outside of pool as a result of his being deaf, it doesn't affect his game at all, and might actually make his game better.

Earplugs? Yes or no, and then you can run along.
 
Superstar, on this one issue I must disagree. I think the wearing of earphones is incredibly disrespectful to your opponent, as well as to a paying audience.

I would never applaud a shot made by someone who is intentionally making it so he can't hear me.

- Steve

Steve said it perfectly.....ipods or earplugs or whatever....if I have to waive at someone to get their attention, I don't play them ever again....
 
Ear Plugs

Spent 20 yrs in the US Army and wore them at the range and around loud machinery. Still have good hearing today because of that. Had no trouble communicating with them in my ears.
 
HEY, then what's the deal with you pinching my butt?

Firecracker, Trigger, and Moni said the only way I could keep doing it to them was if I did it too the guys too.....

So there ya go....

My teammates seem to be getting a little tired of it, Stephen took a swing at me last week :D
 
I think it's pretty well established that he turns it down during play.
So far, every single one of your comments have been about deafness, and none of them have addressed earplugs when compared to a deaf person in the ability to tune out background noise so that there are less distractions.

Maybe, in your next post, you might address earplugs, instead of going on a crusade to point out the hardships in life that a deaf person can have., as it has no bearing on the topic at hand.

As far as i can tell, regardless of what hardships SVB has outside of pool as a result of his being deaf, it doesn't affect his game at all, and might actually make his game better.

Earplugs? Yes or no, and then you can run along.
Ear-plugs should be allowed.
My post #47 was in response to Fenwick #45.
But you're quite right,the thread was on plugs,not hearing aids.

And i will run along.......have a nice day
 
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