Tip Hardness Tests

[poolstar31]

I will make a deal with you,pm me your address and I will send you one of my tips that I bought from pooldawg8,just put it on a cue and play all the hours that you wish,if it is not exactly as I claimed,as in no mushrooming,no shape loss then you just do not refund me the price I paid for it.I am that confident in them and stand nothing to gain

Thanks for the offer! But I am happy with the Kamui Black I use.
I wasnt saying your tip wasnt good. I only stated that a Lepro will mushroom more than a Kamui Black M which is odd since Pooldog states that the Lepros test harder than Kamui Black M on the Durometer.

 

[peteypooldude]

Thanks for the offer! But I am happy with the Kamui Black I use.
I wasnt saying your tip wasnt good. I only stated that a Lepro will mushroom more than a Kamui Black M which is odd since Pooldog states that the Lepros test harder than Kamui Black M on the Durometer.

No problem,thanks for the reply
Peteypooldude

 

[jrt30004]

i don't own any measuring equipment and really don't care to do any tests by buying a bunch of tips i don't need and won't use. i say this however, i have always used lepro tips and have had a samsara jump/break tip on my break cue for a few months now. there is no way you can tell me that lepro tips are some of the hardest tips out there. absolutely no way they are harder than the samsara. when i chalk the samsara it almost sounds like chalking phenolic. and lepros mushroom. period. maybe one out of 15 won't but they do, for the most part, require a lot of maintenance. i have been playing pool off and on since the late 80's and since my first meucci i have always had lepro tips. that's my first test. i break a ton and and can't normally jump with a full cue. after a few months now i haven't touched the samsara and i can almost jump with my 21oz. players break cue. that thing is like stone. that's my second test.

 

[ratcues]

I think it's a great idea. Throwing out the extremes, if nothing else we have a scale to say what the approximate initial hardness is of a given tip at a certain pressure.

To me, this testing also shows a discrepancy in description from manufacturer ro manufacturer. I think anybody buying a tip based on the description of "soft, medium, or hard" should look at your chart.

Maybe manufacturers could be convinced to test their own tips this way and come up with a "standard set" of test and descriptions at a certain pressure at a certain thickness- something like this:

70 or under - soft
70 - 75 medium
75-80 medium hard
80-85 hard
85+ extra hard
90 + jump/break

Chris

Chris, Muellers has had a chart just like you described for about ten years now. I was the one that tested all of the tips. Non-layered tips, I tested 100 of each type to get my numbers. Layered, I did 25 of each. I've fallen behind in the past couple of years so I do have Kamuis or Emeralds up yet. I'll get them up as soon as I get some time.

http://www.poolndarts.com/71-Tips/

 

[TATE]

Chris, Muellers has had a chart just like you described for about ten years now. I was the one that tested all of the tips. Non-layered tips, I tested 100 of each type to get my numbers. Layered, I did 25 of each. I've fallen behind in the past couple of years so I do have Kamuis or Emeralds up yet. I'll get them up as soon as I get some time.

http://www.poolndarts.com/71-Tips/

Ryan,

Wow, I've not seen that before. It's pretty amazing how close we both came to each other on our hardness scale to descibe the tips. Mine was just a whipped up estimate based on the tests Pooldawg did - your's is probably a lot more accurate.

Chris

 

[TATE]

i don't own any measuring equipment and really don't care to do any tests by buying a bunch of tips i don't need and won't use. i say this however, i have always used lepro tips and have had a samsara jump/break tip on my break cue for a few months now. there is no way you can tell me that lepro tips are some of the hardest tips out there. absolutely no way they are harder than the samsara. when i chalk the samsara it almost sounds like chalking phenolic. and lepros mushroom. period. maybe one out of 15 won't but they do, for the most part, require a lot of maintenance. i have been playing pool off and on since the late 80's and since my first meucci i have always had lepro tips. that's my first test. i break a ton and and can't normally jump with a full cue. after a few months now i haven't touched the samsara and i can almost jump with my 21oz. players break cue. that thing is like stone. that's my second test.

I agree - I was shocked that a LePro would test as hard as a Samara, which is the hardest non-phenolic tip I've used.

I can't even imagine a Samsara tip mushrooming, even at full length.

As far as combination jump/break tips go, I have found the Samsara to be the best one.

Chris