too fast of a table??

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Now I know there are a ton of threads talking about this, but I couldn't find an answer to my question.

I just played on a Valley 8ft bar box (brand new Championship cloth)that you can hit the cue ball at breaking speed from the head string to the end rail , and it will gp back and forth between the two end rails a total of 8 cushions.

Is it normal to be able to hit 8 rails back and forth like that?
 
Now I know there are a ton of threads talking about this, but I couldn't find an answer to my question.

I just played on a Valley 8ft bar box (brand new Championship cloth)that you can hit the cue ball at breaking speed from the head string to the end rail , and it will gp back and forth between the two end rails a total of 8 cushions.

Is it normal to be able to hit 8 rails back and forth like that?

Without seeing it I would say that has as much to do with the cushions as the cloth, especially on a bar box.
 
Now I know there are a ton of threads talking about this, but I couldn't find an answer to my question.

I just played on a Valley 8ft bar box (brand new Championship cloth)that you can hit the cue ball at breaking speed from the head string to the end rail , and it will gp back and forth between the two end rails a total of 8 cushions.

Is it normal to be able to hit 8 rails back and forth like that?

Sounds about right with beak speed and new cushions also. Most Valley's you hit the rail that hard and the QB leaves the table or bounces in the air. Someone did a good job on the table. I'll bet the humidity in the room was low also. Johnnyt
 
There is a local BB tourney that I stopped attending because of super fast tables.It is possible to adjust to the table but for myself I decided it was not worth the trouble once a week.There are 3- 8' valleys,all of them fast but 1 of them is super fast.Not really sure what makes these tables so difficult to play on but the rails are springy and the cloth (Simonis) is very fast.I have no trouble going from a "normal" Valley to a Diamond,the CB is the toughest to get used to on the Valley.
 
Now I know there are a ton of threads talking about this, but I couldn't find an answer to my question.

I just played on a Valley 8ft bar box (brand new Championship cloth)that you can hit the cue ball at breaking speed from the head string to the end rail , and it will gp back and forth between the two end rails a total of 8 cushions.

Is it normal to be able to hit 8 rails back and forth like that?


I wondered something similar a while back. I'm going to get a new olhausen 7ft in the next six months. And I wanted to put 3030 on it. Well, I talked to to the guys at Seyberts and they said not to put 3030 on a 7ft because it was too fast. He said the same for 860 HR.

I asked this question a while back here and got this:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=193023


Specifically, RKC answered with saying this: "Well....all the Diamond 7ft's at the BCA playoffs had Simonis 860HR on them....they played just fine....does that answer your question? Fast tables are often miss-understood as it's the cloths fault the table plays so fast...when in fact it's the design of the rails and cushions that determine the speed of the balls off the cushions...and NOT the cloth...that's a fact, not an opinion"

Then he goes on to say" 860HR is fine, as it don't play any faster on a 7 or 8ft table than it does on a 9ft table. A ramp meter rolling a ball 36" on a 9ft....rolls the ball the same 36" on any other table as well, so no table plays faster because of the cloth, that's nothing but a myth.


I know he knows his stuff. So I'd be inclined to listen to him. And I know that it doesn't answer your question directly, because at least you can rule out one variable as to why the table was so fast.
 
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A lot of players had trouble adjusting to the 7 foot Diamond tables used at the BCA tourneys.Even some top players were frustrated but they all got used to them and most prefer the tables now.These tables have the blue Simonis witch I assume is the 860HR.
 
Sounds about right with beak speed and new cushions also. Most Valley's you hit the rail that hard and the QB leaves the table or bounces in the air. Someone did a good job on the table. I'll bet the humidity in the room was low also. Johnnyt

Actually it was pretty humid out because it was raining and the door next to the table was open. Also, the cue ball would bounce if I tried to hit the ball as hard as I can and it would not make 8 cushions, barely made 7 when I did that.

To compare other tables to the one I am talking about, the other tables also have 3030 installed and are located in a different bar(The Village). If you were to hit the same speed required to do a lag shot on The Village tables on the table that you can hit 8 rails on, it would more than likely end up hitting the foot rail twice and then half a table.

Oh yeah, the same person recovered both tables.

I don't doubt its all because of the rails, and I can not make a statement about how it plays in comparison to a Diamond 7', but in comparison to a Diamond 9', the rails on the Valley play a lot faster.

This brings up another question, is there an actual measurement tool or a standardization for how much a ball should rebound off a rail? I was thinking there might be something like a specific length of pvc pipe that you elevate to a specific angle in which you roll a ball down from a specific distance from the rail and then you measure the rebound distance from the rail.
 
The rails were too low. I asked RKC about the same thing a few months ago, after I played in Veneta, Oregon on a table just like you describe. Bottom line is it aint the cloth, it's the rubber.
 
The rails were too low. I asked RKC about the same thing a few months ago, after I played in Veneta, Oregon on a table just like you describe. Bottom line is it aint the cloth, it's the rubber.

I don't disagree with you at all and I don't doubt RKC at all either, but they are not my tables to make adjustments to and this is the only place within a half hour drive that actually has pool tournaments. I will make the suggestions to the bar, but in reality, I guess I will just have to learn to adjust to how they play.
 
I don't disagree with you at all and I don't doubt RKC at all either, but they are not my tables to make adjustments to and this is the only place within a half hour drive that actually has pool tournaments. I will make the suggestions to the bar, but in reality, I guess I will just have to learn to adjust to how they play.

It's your cushions, not the cloth. More than likely, what happened was, the cushions were replaced with the wrong cushion profile.
 
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