I'm not sure I understand this. If you're aiming at the center of the pocket, why couldn't you use the same system to aim to the right, or left, or somewhere in between part of the pocket?
Lou Figueroa
Why CTE is silly
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I'm not sure I understand this. If you're aiming at the center of the pocket, why couldn't you use the same system to aim to the right, or left, or somewhere in between part of the pocket?
Lou Figueroa
Because the "naysayers" are the same guys that don't have the need to call the infomercial numbers on TV, for the instant weight loss or wealth, at 3 in the morning
Lou Figueroa
So the $64,000.00 Question is why did you not share this before?????
Because the "naysayers" are the same guys that don't have the need to call the infomercial numbers on TV, for the instant weight loss or wealth, at 3 in the morning
Lou Figueroa
What an idea!! The Kevin Trudeau Aiming System!
CTE bought out by KTAS !
Ghost ball describes simply, clearly and precisely exactly what you want to visualize and exactly how you want to align your aim with that picture - that's the "cold hard calculation" that ghost ball has and CTE doesn't.
CTE, on the other hand starts with a clear and simple visualization (center of CB to edge of OB), but then meanders off into Shift-And-Pivot Land, which apparently can't be completely described at all, much less simply, clearly and precisely.
Yes, aiming always involves some visualization and estimation, but with ghost ball you know exactly what you're trying to visualize - with CTE you don't. CTE may work better for some (apparently it does), but it's a "black box" method compared with ghost ball's transparency and clarity.
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P.S. I don't use either of these, by the way, but that doesn't mean I can't know this much about them.
Obviously you could. The idea that a system can only hit center-pocket is absurd.
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One key reason I started the thread was to offer my calculations for anyone interested. If you have Excel on your computer you can easily set up tables such as I have, and give consideration to the accuracy necessary for certain shots. If anything, it's useful to have in mind when considering taking a shot vs playing safe. ANY level player (but especially mediocre players) could benefit greatly by understanding their shot-making limits, and using that to better formulate safety strategy.
It's also useful to have a quantitative description of the increasing precision necessary with increasing cut angle.
LOL. You can't kill Zombie Threads.
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Hey UsedTo,
Here are some absolute truths (as far as I can determine):
1) Many shots must be hit with considerable precision to be made. My figures demonstrate that. IOW, there's only one very small, well-defined configuration of CB-OB that will pocket the ball, and MANY that won't.
2) SOMEHOW, it's necessary to "know" what/where that configuration is. It can certainly be through feel and experience--and nothing more. Many pro player's have testified that's all it is.
3) In addition to knowing where the configuration is, it's necessary to actually point your stroke at it.
4) In addition to pointing your stroke at it, it's necessary to actually transmit your stroke in such a way that you actually send the CB along the line you intend.
5) And all THAT isn't even enough. You also need to take into account throw (and how it varies with cut angle, speed, english, and table conditions), and squirt.
6) One thing my data show is that even having SIXTY FOUR different points of aim on the OB is NOT ENOUGH to make all shots, at all distances! Many shots require even greater precision than 1/64th of a ball variation.
I simply haven't seen any SINGLE aspect of "CTE" mentioned by ANYONE that even remotely suggests any method contained in it that would produce the precision necessary. I'm more than open to hearing evidence of such a method. So far, all I've heard from more than a few CTE accolytes is that it's not even NECESSARY to know where the pocket is!
PS: Regarding methods to make adjustments within 1/16" : If you can visualize a ghost ball with fidelity, the accuracy can be infinitely precise.
Your efforts are appreciated, but all rational thinking people here know about the mathematical deficiencies of CTE. They are obvious to most of us. But believers don't care. They claim to have special knowledge that they are not going to "spoon feed" to evil skeptics. Except for a renowned coach who is working on a 60$ DVD (which he admitted won't provide any mathmatical proof) and some guy who seems to have trouble finishing his 100 pages long document that is supposed to explain everything.
Unfortunately, that's correct. CTE is sucker radar...
Whatever CTE is (it's probably something different for every user) it helps some players who need help. Whatever these players need, Stan Shuffet, the Pool School, RonV, etc. seem to be able to provide it. To you and me it's snake oil, but to its users it's Aiming Elixir.
I'll continue to point out that CTE Aiming Elixir is really just alcohol, food coloring and a sales pitch, but I won't try to discourage anybody from buying it or trying it. It may be just what they need.
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Delusion is what those need who wish to live in a fantasy world. If one wishes to actually pocket balls, he'll be needing something other than CTE.
Then again, VERY often, what people say they want really isn't what they want--and often what they really want is a secret even from themselves.
I thought those systems didn't work anyways?
I'm not saying they only hit center pocket....I'm saying that they are geared towards center pocket and precision shifts are better made using ghost ball
just find it easier, not that it cant
I think this view is too narrow. CTE and other "psychological" systems just suit some players best. John Barton, for instance, is an excellent shooter, and he never met a voodoo system he didn't like. I think it's a fit for some players.
I don't refute CTE's potential usefulness for some; I refute the irrational claims made about how it supposedly works.
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You try to come off as some sort of authority on the subject. My guess is that you have never been to Stan or Hal, or anyone else that really knows the system to even bother to learn about it before you try and slam it.
Several people on here make at least part of their income teaching the system. For you to come on here with nothing more than a ridiculous spread sheet to say what you have, is in extremely poor taste. How would you feel if someone started calling your boss and telling them how worthless you are, and that you are doing nothing but selling them snake oil??
I have yet to hear of a single person that truly learned the system and then had anything bad to say about it. The only ones that ever knock it don't even know how to use it properly. If you are going to knock something, at least have the integrity to know what you are knocking. I'm still trying to figure out why this thread was even started.
You never heard me say that. And which systems are "those systems" anyway?
That doesn't make any sense. If they can hit precisely center-pocket, they can hit precisely anywhere.
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But in that case they're not actually USING CTE to pocket balls, they're using it...some other way, and pocketing balls probably by feel/experience.
If one tries to make balls, and plays a lot, eventually he'll make a lot of balls. What he's using is feel/experience--and it's not informative (or objectively true) if he insists on calling it something else.
Furthermore, IMO, it's ALWAYS beneficial to purge fantasy from your mind. For one, doing so then allows you access to the REAL source of whatever ability you ACTUALLY have--while at the same time clearing a little extra space in your head
can't we all just get along??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOch5MKFkjE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOch5MKFkjE&feature=related
The usual objection - as nonsensical as ever. The fact that nobody who has ever "learned the system" can describe it tells a rational person all they need to know about what kind of "system" it is (and whether or not it's something they want to "learn").
STANDARD DISCLAIMER: This doesn't mean I think CTE doesn't "work". No aiming systems, logical or otherwise, were harmed in the making of this post.
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