You're joking, right?
Shucks! I missed the WHOLE PART where CTE was used!
Could you maybe point it out? Or too much spoon-feeding???
Why CTE is silly
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You're joking, right?
Shucks! I missed the WHOLE PART where CTE was used!
Could you maybe point it out? Or too much spoon-feeding???
The only thing I'd spoon feed you is arsenic.
Unlike some other big babies around here, who need to report posts when they can't take the heat...I DON'T REPORT POSTS with rather vicious content directed against me.
Instead, I'm happy to remind those posters that making such threats demonstrates that they're unable to have rational discussions about topics; and that their inability to be rational in discussion obviously suggests that their POSITIONS aren't rational, either.
No, it means that like any aiming system, as we all surely know, the CB path can be determined for possible position. This continual baiting will not "getyouthere". You're sly like a fox, but there's no need for rehashing a basic principle like tangent lines.
You are new to the forum and I welcome you. I can appreciate your passion and logical, straightforward approach to a question. You can be a great asset to this forum if you choose to be. But, you have a long way to go to be included with the greats of the Cte debating world who are noticeably silent as of late. :wink:
These debaters are usually the voice of reason and put forth seminal observations when Cte overwhelms the masses. In time you will enjoy their posts for their unique qualities as much as I do. I'm not being condescending or patronizing here, but the answers are already posted in this thread. A bit of research will yield a positive result.
Best,
Mike
Until you explain what "precise system" means, this is a meaningless statement. Do you mean there's no "adjustment by feel" involved?
This means even less. What is a "center pocket system"? Do you mean it's not accurate enough to cheat a pocket?
pj
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I can't help recalling the hilarious response of Patrick Johnson to yet another variation of the "The information is there, I won't spoon-feed it to you, you need to research it yourself" dodge:
"I feel like I should rise for the anthem of CTE."
It's too much, Mike. "The answer's easy, obvious, and elsewhere...so there's no need for me to just SPELL IT OUT HERE." It's getting to be a rather pathetic joke.
I've yet to see any CTE advocate spell out ANYTHING--and not only am I not the FIRST to notice that fact, I'm the LAST...at the end of a very long line before me.
Another show-off video "challenge", huh? I was wondering how long you could go without trying to create another excuse to post a video of yourself.
You don't need anybody to accept one of your silly "challenges", Dave - if you want to show off, post your videos. I'm sure they'll be a big hit, and I'm also sure they won't demonstrate anything about CTE - they never have. Fact is, they never could, and the fact that you've never understood this is one of the indications that you don't really understand how CTE works either.
pj
chgo
I apologize for the evasive responses, but there was absolutely no misdirection communicated in my answer. Future events will bear this out. There are many who use this information to feed their families and I respect that fact. Being like the Energizer Bunny :smile: about their teachings won't change things. It's an ethical issue and hopefully our patience wll be rewarded soon by the forthcoming dvd.
Best,
Mike
PS Yes, Patrick Johnson is one of the elite Cte debaters. His short, thought provoking responses make interesting reading. Being born and raised in Chicago myself, makes it even easier to appreciate his "to the point" sense of humor.
Geesh, and no babysitting fees either.
O.K., but just this once, and don't ask me to wipe your chin. From your own post-#1: CTE can be used for caroms. One's accuracy with the method depends squarely on his/her ability to strike the OB with zero spin (no follow/draw).
Means: CTE is accurate for caroms only if no follow or draw is used.
Right? What else can those two sentences mean? Of course, they CAN'T mean that--because later on he talks about the need to use draw or follow to adjust the carom. So let's be generous and interpret it as the only thing it COULD mean:
When the CB hits the OB, the CB is deflected on a tangent when hit with stun.
Does that mean anything special? That non-CTE players wouldn't know? Does CTE have anything to do with that fact? No, No, and NO!
#2: Depending on the layout of the balls, performing a thin alignment/pivot with no spin upon contact brings the CB to an adjacent pocket (scratch).
Notice the parts in blue, THAT is where it says CTE was used!!! So, either that proves you DO have a reading comprehension problem, or you have a memory problem.
Either way, I have to quit responding again.
I'll end by saying that none of this means anything if you won't even get on a table and try something. Heck, try anything, just get on a table so you have somewhere to speak from.
edit: deleted a part I shouldn't have included. Sorry getmethere. Was wrong to say that.
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Geesh, and no babysitting fees either.
#1: CTE can be used for caroms. One's accuracy with the method depends squarely on his/her ability to strike the OB with zero spin (no follow/draw).
Means: CTE is accurate for caroms only if no follow or draw is used.
Right? What else can those two sentences mean? Of course, they CAN'T mean that--because later on he talks about the need to use draw or follow to adjust the carom. So let's be generous and interpret it as the only thing it COULD mean:
When the CB hits the OB, the CB is deflected on a tangent when hit with stun.
Does that mean anything special? That non-CTE players wouldn't know? Does CTE have anything to do with that fact? No, No, and NO!
#2: Depending on the layout of the balls, performing a thin alignment/pivot with no spin upon contact brings the CB to an adjacent pocket (scratch).
Notice the parts in blue, THAT is where it says CTE was used!!!
Oh. OK. Got it. Thanks
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Geesh, and no babysitting fees either.
#1: CTE can be used for caroms. One's accuracy with the method depends squarely on his/her ability to strike the OB with zero spin (no follow/draw).
Means: CTE is accurate for caroms only if no follow or draw is used.
Right? What else can those two sentences mean? Of course, they CAN'T mean that--because later on he talks about the need to use draw or follow to adjust the carom. So let's be generous and interpret it as the only thing it COULD mean:
When the CB hits the OB, the CB is deflected on a tangent when hit with stun.
Does that mean anything special? That non-CTE players wouldn't know? Does CTE have anything to do with that fact? No, No, and NO!
#2: Depending on the layout of the balls, performing a thin alignment/pivot with no spin upon contact brings the CB to an adjacent pocket (scratch).
Notice the parts in blue, THAT is where it says CTE was used!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo-2IF2GL5s&feature=player_embedded
GetMeThere -- Here's a post from a couple years ago, written by someone schooled personally by Hal, describing the CTE aiming method. This poster was not a CTE advocate; in fact, he thought the technique was useful to a degree but quite flawed as an "exact" aiming method.
What he describes is basic Houlian CTE, but I believe that Dave Segal and Stan Shuffett have taken the concept considerably further to determine things like cue offsets, bridge lengths, pivot techniques, and "adjustments" needed to make it work better than it does by just following the elementary prescription.
You initiated this train wreck of a thread by coupling (a) your presentation of an interesting table showing the degree of precision needed to pocket shots with (b) condemnation of CTE. Unfortunately, despite all your prior research on CTE, it seems that you then (and still?) believed it to be a three-angle, fractional-ball aiming system. It is not. Your criticism was founded on ignorance.
We're on the verge of having two or three significant new items on pivot-aiming methods to view or read. I look forward to the education and subsequent criticism (positive and negative) that should arise from those. In the meantime, can't we all just talk about something else?
Thanks. That post exposes the vagueness of CTE, and demonstrates that it is NOT an "aiming system" because it's key instructions are to pivot....ANYWHERE.
I'm quite sure (in my ignorant arrogance) that the advertised "enhancements" will not involve geometric certainties, but instead vague "adjustments" that require the player to "feel" where the proper aim is. By comparison, the GB method gives a PRECISE geometric method for determining where to aim (provided one is able to visualize the GB adequately). That makes it an "aiming system." As soon as SOMEONE describes a CTE system that makes formulaic pivots, bridge lengths, and cue offsets that are geometrically dependent upon the relavtive positions of the CB, OB, and pocket, then I'll call that an "aiming system" as well--even if they name it CTE (and, of course, as long as it actually works to align the cue with the CB in a way which would cause it to hit the OB in order to pocket it).
No, my criticism was founded on Hal's own description of his system, which others link to for reference. In this thread, a CTE advocate, Neil, discussed the linked to post, and did not take the opportunity to deny that it was CTE. The truth is that CTE is ill-defined, and consists of whatever anyone who talked with Hal for more than five minutes wants to call it.
Is there someone stopping you from starting a thread and talking about whatever you'd like to talk about? Are you uncomfortable with others discussing things they would like to discuss and you wouldn't?
Hm,
bit surprised every time when suddenly a new thread about CTE came up^^
Unfortuneatley i don t know a guy here who has had a lesson from Stan, Spidey, or whoever i would call really experienced and qualified (from that what i read!). I am always open for new things-and i m for sure sceptical. I also emailed many of the *qualified* persons to receive material about it-no matter if it would be CTE, Pro-One ore what ever. I would just love to work it out for myself.
HOW can someone be so ignorant and call so many people just dumb or silly (i would call it this way!) just because they re feeling good with a system (no matter which one) or if it just works for them ?
Perhaps you re just not clever enough to understand it, and the other guys are?
I really understand, if someone posting questions like this- but it s getting boring to read just aggressive bullshit, negative minds and offenses.
If you re really so 100% sure that it DEFINITLEY NEVER WORK <<--- i just would say that you already visited Stan Shuffet, Spidey, RandyG, or whoever (don t want to list now here 100000 names) and tried to get a 1 on 1 explanation. Just if you really did that you would show, what you reallyl wanna learn someting and also wanna understand something about it.
Sorry pool-friends. Usualy i really always try to post not such a negative post. But it really begin to tease me, that it s all about arrogance, negative minds and offenses witout any sense.
All in all i would say: A little respect would be useful.......no matter if it s just here or in Real Life...
love you all,
peace,
lg from overseas,
Ingo
bit surprised every time when suddenly a new thread about CTE came up^^
Unfortuneatley i don t know a guy here who has had a lesson from Stan, Spidey, or whoever i would call really experienced and qualified (from that what i read!). I am always open for new things-and i m for sure sceptical. I also emailed many of the *qualified* persons to receive material about it-no matter if it would be CTE, Pro-One ore what ever. I would just love to work it out for myself.
HOW can someone be so ignorant and call so many people just dumb or silly (i would call it this way!) just because they re feeling good with a system (no matter which one) or if it just works for them ?
Perhaps you re just not clever enough to understand it, and the other guys are?
I really understand, if someone posting questions like this- but it s getting boring to read just aggressive bullshit, negative minds and offenses.
If you re really so 100% sure that it DEFINITLEY NEVER WORK <<--- i just would say that you already visited Stan Shuffet, Spidey, RandyG, or whoever (don t want to list now here 100000 names) and tried to get a 1 on 1 explanation. Just if you really did that you would show, what you reallyl wanna learn someting and also wanna understand something about it.
Sorry pool-friends. Usualy i really always try to post not such a negative post. But it really begin to tease me, that it s all about arrogance, negative minds and offenses witout any sense.
All in all i would say: A little respect would be useful.......no matter if it s just here or in Real Life...
love you all,
peace,
lg from overseas,
Ingo
I think what you are missing is that ALL CTE advocates have TOUTED their system--beginning with Hal himself. Hal showed up for the PURPOSE of announcing and explaining his system.
Those are ASSERTIONS and CLAIMS (the current claim is "IT WORKS!"). Any and all public claims and assertions, merely by their very existence, invite CHALLENGE to their veracity--otherwise what's the point of ANY discussion? If baseless assertions are..."good to go" then no discussion is ever needed on any topic whatsoever: people can say whatever they wish, and then what they've said is "respected."
Assertions must be supportable or else they are meaningless to any rational person. You can't realistically say "I have an amazing aiming system, I won't describe it, but IT WORKS! Now prove me wrong or shut up!"
The fact is that all of Hal's statements are....outright ridiculous (among those I've been able to find, or that have been linked to); and essentially no current advocate is able or willing to back up their assertions or claims with a sufficient description of the system.
Finally, I wish to answer one of your statements specifically. You ask: "HOW can someone be so ignorant and call so many people just dumb or silly (i would call it this way!) just because they re feeling good with a system (no matter which one) or if it just works for them ?"
I give the example of astrology: Many millions of people use it and follow it (not just in the US), they "feel good with it," and it "works for them."
But they are dumb and/or silly. I'm pleased to say so; and I'm prepared to back up my claim. Furthermore, I can give LOTS MORE examples of people being blissful in their ignorance: homeopathy, faith-healing, dousing for water, oil, minerals, psychic mediums, facilitated communication for autistics, therapeutic touch...they all have HUGE lists of "satisfied customers," and they're all bunk.
Curiously, NONE of them can give a rational basis for why they work....instead, the claim is just repeated "IT WORKS!"
EDIT: And the difference between CTE and astrology, homeopathy, faith-healing, dousing, mediums....?? All those others fully expose the mechanisms, procedures, and methods used by them, in complete detail (as far as it goes, of course). CTE doesn't even do that.
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K, let me try to say it this way:
Until i haven t got a chance to get an explanation/lesson from an instructor who teaches cte/pro1/ or whatever i wouldn t blame him. If i would have had a lesson and then He/she/they won t be able to show or describe 1vs1 how to use it, i would perhaps react like you did.
I know how hard it is to instruct and teach-and there are several things which are very hard to describe in words or to give advices per phone etc.
For some things you just need to be at the table to observe, to detect or tho show up.
And further: i read some of those threads where the ppl went crazy and aggressive to each other-- but for me i can just say, that the guys i mailed or contacted were just nicely.
lg
Ingo
Until i haven t got a chance to get an explanation/lesson from an instructor who teaches cte/pro1/ or whatever i wouldn t blame him. If i would have had a lesson and then He/she/they won t be able to show or describe 1vs1 how to use it, i would perhaps react like you did.
I know how hard it is to instruct and teach-and there are several things which are very hard to describe in words or to give advices per phone etc.
For some things you just need to be at the table to observe, to detect or tho show up.
And further: i read some of those threads where the ppl went crazy and aggressive to each other-- but for me i can just say, that the guys i mailed or contacted were just nicely.
lg
Ingo
Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your perspective, if you're looking for something MORE than what's described in that post I think you're going to be disappointed. Sure there'll be a lot of diagrams & descriptions, etc. But the crux of what is going on is in that post, imo.
So how can this possibly be helpful?
Three ways, I think.
(1) it gets you to aim. I think a significant problem is with players' heads and hearts occupied by other things, AIMING frequently gets inadequate attention.
(2) It gets you to approach each angled shot from the same INITIAL perspective. I think this might be very helpful.
(3) It gets you to bring the stick in from the side. I think if your stick is nearly in line with the shot when you're trying to aim, it tends to throw you off. Bringing the stick in from the side allows you to find the line without the stick.
From here, it doesn't really matter if you place your bridge hand and do a little pivot or just place your bridge hand with the stick aligned. The important part is you're placing your bridge hand on the line you just determined.
What do you think is the usefulness of believing it's not just what you describe? Why do CTE users vehemently deny the obvious truth of this?
pj
chgo
Yes, Mike!
!. CTE and PRO ONE do take you to the proper aim.
2.And, from the same perspective for angled shots, any shot.
3.Yes,the cue is brought in from the side.
Excellent post!
Stan
PJ,
I will explain "precise" to you and show you how to cheat a pocket even if it's just by a tick or 2.
Obviously, you have a keen interest in all of this CTE stuff and I am sure that your aim is beyond your own facts. I want you to have my facts!
Give me a call and we'll set up a lesson for you at no charge. Also,
you'll receive a DVD at no charge. You will be armed with not just DVD info but the totality of a 6 hour lesson which is superior to video instruction.
Also, while you're here, Landon and I will play you some and do some explanations as we play........at your request.
My wife is a great cook...so, we'll eat good, too.
Stan
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