High left help

[Kobachi]

I'm having some problems with high left shots for some reason. Last night at league, I shot well, but afterwards I set one shot up that I missed in the match...it was a bit off angle, not too much, about a 4 foot shot, where I wanted to follow with hight left, and bring whitey three rails around, so I had to give it some stroke.

I tore the rail off. And afterwards, setting the same shot up, I preceded to do the same thing 3x in a row. Over cutting....

Just wondering if any of the instructors know a common problem some of us do for this type of shot. If I were to shoot the same shot with low anything, I'd make this regularly with no problem.

Does high left or right tend to cause more throw on the cueball than a low left or right in your opinions? Is there different compensation needed for a high LR english shot versus a low LR english shot? I know speed comes into play, but for arguments sake, let's say a medium stroke shot.

Thank you instructors/players for your help and opinions...

Kevin

 

[i4pool]

Question: Was the high-left for the shot to impart inside english or outside english? Outside english will impart more throw on the CB than inside english.

Instructors, please correct me if I'm wrong.


Regards,
Abe, i4pool <---------- a player

 

[Kobachi]

Question: Was the high-left for the shot to impart inside english or outside english? Outside english will impart more throw on the CB than inside english.

Instructors, please correct me if I'm wrong.


Regards,
Abe, i4pool <---------- a player

Great question Abe, I knew I "left" something out :wink:

The left english was inside english on this particular shot.

Kevin

 

[i4pool]

How far is the CB from the OB? Your throw to the right depends on how much left you you put (1 tip, 2tips, etc...) and how far the CB is from the OB. The farther away the 2 balls are the more throw. The closer they are the less throw. Your compensation will differ.

Again, this is coming from a players opinion. Instructors please advise on accuracy.


Regards,
Abe - i4pool

 

[Kobachi]

How far is the CB from the OB? Your throw to the right depends on how much left you you put (1 tip, 2tips, etc...) and how far the CB is from the OB. The farther away the 2 balls are the more throw. The closer they are the less throw. Your compensation will differ.

Again, this is coming from a players opinion. Instructors please advise on accuracy.


Regards,
Abe - i4pool

Thanks again Abe, more details I should've included:

4 foot +/- shot. From cueball to object ball, I'd say about 2 feet, then another 2 feet to the pocket. On the clock face, I used between ten and eleven o'clock, high left.

 

[randyg]

Question: Was the high-left for the shot to impart inside english or outside english?

Outside english will impart more throw on the CB than inside english.

Instructors, please correct me if I'm wrong.


Regards,
Abe, i4pool <---------- a player

Explain?
Thanks
SPF=randyg

 

[Mark Avlon]

I'm having some problems with high left shots for some reason. Last night at league, I shot well, but afterwards I set one shot up that I missed in the match...it was a bit off angle, not too much, about a 4 foot shot, where I wanted to follow with hight left, and bring whitey three rails around, so I had to give it some stroke.

If you're cutting the object ball to the left and you're using left English (inside English) with speed, and you over cut the shot, then squirt is the probable culprit.

 

[i4pool]

My Apologies To the Instructors

First, my apologies to the Instructors here on AZB. I didn't realize I responded to a post in the "Ask The Instructor" forum. I thought the thread was in the main forum. (I typically view new threads/posts on the "new" page not the individual forum page). I'm sorry if I was out of line posting in this thread.

Explain?
Thanks
SPF=randyg

Hi randyg- I wrote "Outside english will impart more throw on the CB than inside english.". What I should have wrote was "Outside english will impart throw on the OB... while inside english does not." Is that correct?

It's funny... on the table I feel like I understand what I do. But it's really a different thing to attempt to explain in words. I admire all of the instructors here who make the game easier for us to understand in words. Clear and effective communication is definitely something I need to work on if I ever decide to go into teaching.


Best Regards,
Abe - i4pool

 

[stljohnny]

I'm not an instructor just a student. So, having said that feel free to skip past my $0.02.

Side-spin will throw the object ball regardless of inside/outside. That's something you cannot avoid. As for cue-ball deflection off the end of the shaft, it is very common for players to observe more deflection from inside english than outside, but in reality the same amount of variance exists. However, since outside english helps throw the OB to our target point we don't notice the cb going offline of our aim point since the shot worked.

 

[Joe T]

I'm having some problems with high left shots for some reason. Last night at league, I shot well, but afterwards I set one shot up that I missed in the match...it was a bit off angle, not too much, about a 4 foot shot, where I wanted to follow with hight left, and bring whitey three rails around, so I had to give it some stroke.

I tore the rail off. And afterwards, setting the same shot up, I preceded to do the same thing 3x in a row. Over cutting....

Just wondering if any of the instructors know a common problem some of us do for this type of shot. If I were to shoot the same shot with low anything, I'd make this regularly with no problem.

Does high left or right tend to cause more throw on the cueball than a low left or right in your opinions? Is there different compensation needed for a high LR english shot versus a low LR english shot? I know speed comes into play, but for arguments sake, let's say a medium stroke shot.

Thank you instructors/players for your help and opinions...

Kevin

It's probably your bridge and the technique that you happen to approach that shot with that is causing the cb to deflect or squirt more to the right than usually.
Almost everyone I've ever worked with gets more deflection with one or the other (left or right). Try the same shot with high right and see what it FEELS like and then go back to the high left shot. I'm thinking that your cue is getting close to parallel of center cue ball with left spin and on the right you'll have more of an angled cue, which is easier to use.
Just try to notice any differences on both sides and keep switching back n forth.
Keep me posted too,

 

[randyg]

Slow down guys, slow down.

First off Mark is correct about "Squirt".
Second, side spin does not always transfer to the object ball.
When shooting with side spin we must allow for some Cue ball Squirt.
Third, then there is Swerve.

Let's break one problem down at a time.
If you are shooting with HL English (inside english) and you are over-cutting the object ball, that's cue ball squirt. We just have to aim a little fuller.

I think that there is more squirt on the bottom of the cue ball than on the top.

The simple thing to do is set up the same shot and shoot it a couple of times. That should tell you how much adjustment you need for squirt.

Thanks
randyg

 

[randyg]

I'm not an instructor just a student. So, having said that feel free to skip past my $0.02.

Side-spin will throw the object ball regardless of inside/outside.

That's something you cannot avoid. As for cue-ball deflection off the end of the shaft, it is very common for players to observe more deflection from inside english than outside, but in reality the same amount of variance exists. However, since outside english helps throw the OB to our target point we don't notice the cb going offline of our aim point since the shot worked.

Johnny, this is not always true!!!!!
randyg

 

[stljohnny]

Johnny, this is not always true!!!!!
randyg

Oops... I sometimes forget that there's a point this stops happening. Obviously speed plays a factor, but also the amount of the ball being hit; correct? So, for example, if I hit 1/4 ball or less, there's minimal (if any) spin transfer; whereas with a 1/4 to full ball hit spin transfer is much more applicable. Is that a fair assessment?

 

[randyg]

Oops... I sometimes forget that there's a point this stops happening. Obviously speed plays a factor, but also the amount of the ball being hit; correct? So, for example, if I hit 1/4 ball or less, there's minimal (if any) spin transfer; whereas with a 1/4 to full ball hit spin transfer is much more applicable. Is that a fair assessment?

Correct. But still minimal. With clean balls probably nill...SPF=randyg