Why CTE is silly
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Yeah, that's right. I think it works, but I want somebody to tell me why.
Since you seem to want to go here... You didn't play great when we met - you didn't even play as well as the last time I saw you several years ago.
It was good to see you, and there are reasons (travel fatigue, too much talking, etc.), but there was no CTE magic.
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OOPS!!
But I have no call to jump on him from that angle. Still, it sounds different from the "getting better and better, everyday" jingle he's been singing.
Thanks! It helps a lot. LOL!
this is why u havent found your answer yet, honestly, no buddy knows why it works! seriously lol
Isn't enough for whom?
Whenever I go shopping for something and I can't try it out in person then I rely on the crowd to let me know if "it works" or not. That's the best I can do.
Even if I can try it I still go out and find out what other people's experiences are.
So maybe "it works" isn't enough for you but you're not the customer and you're not the target audience. The target audience is people who aren't happy with where their game is at.
One one side they have a LOT of people from around the world who stand up and say "it works". People who have tried Hal's systems and found them to work.
On the other side you have a FEW people who don't know how to implement it and thus don't know IF it works nor to what degree. But those people are adamant in saying it doesn't work. Well, some of them have come to the conclusion that it could only work through some sort of self-delusion.
But the point is that "it works" is ENOUGH for some people to try it and see for themselves if it really does. They don't need to sit around and try to work it out on paper first. They take it to the table and seek the help they need to understand it by going to people who do.
With that approach most who try it seem to "get it" to some degree even if they can't explain with graphs and charts WHY "it works".
So, again, it works.
I know. I knew going in that "playing great" was something that you would want to see although I think that you would admit that even if I had come out of the gate playing like God you wouldn't have attributed that to CTE either.
I guarantee you Pat that if we ever had a real session then you'd see some CTE magic. CTE magic to me is when those particularly tricky shots come up that normally I would miss if I went totally by feel. But by using CTE or some similar method I make them and keep running out.
I was just having fun and I think you would agree that given the situation with your take on CTE and like systems and my take that there was more pressure on me to "perform" than on you. Be that as it may I think that we covered some ground and I see where you are coming from.
As for me, trust me, I have had MANY MANY MANY joyous moments through the use of Hal's systems, be they making tough shots at critical moments or winning sets and tournaments because I played great while using the systems.
Someday I will make it to Chicago with time on my side. Then we can play some for a little money to make it interesting. Just enough to take the "doesn't matter" off the table but not enough to not be friends afterward. Then if I really have any CTE magic it will be apparent. If not then I will lose and be forever Pat's Rack Boy.
Right now though Lou F. is John's Rack Boy having lost to the apprentice CTE wizard even before CTE became a topic. I was using Hal's other system which supposedly is inferior to CTE.
LIke George Breedlove said once upon a time though, if all the other pros want to come and do what I do all day just for one day and then play me a big set that night they ALL have action.
So if any of you want to work a show and pack boxes and then travel for 8 hours, step off the plane and jump right into having to play your best I will be happy to play you some as well. I play as good as anybody who has to fade the same conditions.
Like I said, Mike Page can stack it to the sky if he truly wants to back you in a serious one hole game. Give me a night's rest and some CTE and you don't have to like it.
I did have fun though and want to thank you again for taking the time so late at night to hang out.
No you don't because you have no idea how I play. Neither does Pat because we have played less than 20 games of pool. Once we played a short set in an RSB tournament and the other night we messed around and no one took it seriously. At least I didn't.
I don't even know how good Pat really plays. He makes shots and gets out about as good as decent amateur. But not having seen him play under duress I have no idea how well he does.
Again though it's funny that you will take personal testimony and attempt to run with it WHEN IT SEEMS TO SUPPORT YOU and yet you will dismiss personal testimony when it contradicts your premise.
Don't they call that hypocritical?
I guess I missed the "running with it" part. Saying "oops" is running with it, then?
So you don't play well. So what?
Throughout this thread you JUMP ON anything where someone says that they are personally testifying that either they tried and didn't "get" CTE or someone like Pat or Lou says that so and so CTE user doesn't play well.
In other words again, you USE personal testimony as "evidence" when it suits you.
And I didn't say I don't play well, Pat said I didn't play well when we visited. How well I play is actually not relevant to the discussion. The only relevancy is whether I am cognizant enough to recognize improvement in my own game.
I am.
However since you claim that all CTE users are self-deluding about their ability then there is also testimony from others who say that the CTE users that they know have improved dramatically.
I know, it's all hearsay. An illusion right?
But the point is to expose something you need to be able to do two things, one is to pull the curtain back and the other is to show that you understand the inner workings.
You are attempting to do the former without having any clue about the latter.
So you grasp at any shred of testimonial evidence to support your premise. Otherwise known as grasping at straws.
And we all know how that goes.
On the other side of the coin we have the Cue-Tech School of Pool in Dallas with major industry heavyweight and national champion Randy Goetlicher. We have renowned traveling instructor and trick shot artist Scott Lee. We have well respected instructor Stan Shuffet who is betting his son's career on Pro1/CTE, his son who has multiple national championship trophies by the way. We have BCA Master instructor Tom Simpson. All of whom are people who's pool pedigrees are purebred and long.
On your side we have who?
An anonymous critic who doesn't know the steps? Another critic with no titles to his name nor any certifications, another decent amateur whose claim to fame is that he beat a good player in a tournament, a pool scholar who can't play well and can't decide which side of the fence he is on who also doesn't know the steps, and one nice guy who does a lot for pool but has a bug up his butt on this subject.
None of whom can make a video detailing the steps to perform CTE yet they all know it "doesn't work". Or that it works but only through self hypnosis or subconscious adjustment.
Back to the other side, you have a decent amateur who has studied the system in depth with Hal Houle and who has made a few videos showing himself pocketing balls with ease to include a fairly difficult pocketing test.
Up against the videos debunking the system? Wait there ARE no videos which debunk CTE BECAUSE the people saying it's no good DO NOT KNOW HOW TO USE IT.
So even if they did make such videos all they could say is we don't know how to do it and from what we do know it can't work. However despite all the circumstantial evidence and personal testimony that it does work we still think it doesn't.
Hmmmm..............
Well sorry to break it to you but this is just one of those things in the universe you are doomed to have to know exists and people are using it with great success as evidenced by the testimony that you just won't ever understand or benefit from.
Hell even people like me who play bad are feeling good about their pool game when using CTE.
The greatest AIMING system ever.
So ... CTE might just make you think you are playing well?
Hey GetMeThere. I don't want to hijack your thread, but what is your opinion on backhand english?
Hey GetMeThere. I don't want to hijack your thread, but what is your opinion on backhand english?
Gtm, obviously you have no clue. What a shame you used you 15 minutes of fame on this thread.
OK, so you've figured it out. But, do you accept the possibility that there could be a flaw in your approach or calculations? Or do have 100% confidence in them? I ask because as GMT pointed out in his first post, pocketing pool balls requires a very high level of precision. Do your systems achieve that level?
Lou Figueroa
I'm not sure I understand the distinction you seem to be making. Are you saying that it should only be used by pros? That pros are the only ones capable of deploying it? That if an amateur uses it they will shoot at pro level? Something else? Could you please clarify what "a professional aiming system" means?
Lou Figueroa
I think we'll be needing a lonnnng list of IDs from the CTE side before we need to call up GMT's.
Lou Figueroa
Here, let me use your defense: "...we messed around and no one took it seriously. At least I didn't." But when it suits you, John, you sure care, *a lot* lol.
Just for the record: the reason you won, and as you have acknowledged in the past, is that you splashed the rack a couple of times and completely got away with it in cold blood. Yes, you weren't using CTE, you were using Shee-T-EEE ;-)
Lou Figueroa
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No, there is a very simple way to know if you're playing well. You make more shots, you make harder shots, you do this consistently.
A player can easily tell the difference in their game before and after the application of any technique.
If a player came on here and said that they were playing better because they just learned Ghost Ball then all you would affirm that this is what happens when a player learns Ghost Ball. Or would you tell him that GB can't possibly be a reason why he would be able to pocket more shots and tougher shots more conistently?
So you assume that the rankest beginner has enough self awareness to measure self improvement through the application of a learned technique BUT you don't allow that an experienced player has any such self awareness about their game.
That seems odd to me.
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