Problems with Perry Weston and the ACA.

i always find it amazing that we are participating in a forum which requires reading and lo and behold people cant read. the OP was trying to inform us and warn us about dealings with Perry Weston. that being said: i know several cue makers and have dealt with issues from some. any issues i have had they have fixed. regardless if PW thought the cue was acceptable is irrelevant, the OP wasnt happy with it and he spent money for an agreed upon item. did he say " ooh please can i have silver dust in the clear coat? or ooh i really like off-centered spear points and maccassar stained-to-look-like gaboon."? i really doubt it.at the least PW should take the cue back and refund money. how hard would it be to fix the issues with the cue? some easy and some damn near impossible.

to everyone criticizing the OP: would you be ok spending $1200 on a cue that looked like a chimp could have made it(i use chimps cause they are fairly intelligent) or would you do as he and try to find some way to get PW to right his wrong?
 
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Maniac said:
Kinda sounds like a "hustle" doesn't it :wink:?

What's indicative of a "hustlers" character???

What's the difference between what the OP did on e-bay and what many people on this forum talk openly about doing (and get patted on the back for it)? I'm talking about going into a poolhall in another town with a buddy, start playing pool with said buddy, shoot WAY below what your skill is to try to attract some fish to the bait. Then they get a bite, start playing better gradually, and as the wagers get higher he turns it up full-notch and takes the fish for all he's got. It's deception-for-pay, no different imo to what the OP did on e-bay. Why is joeyb vilified and pool hustlers glorified? Same gig, only joeyb did mention defects/factory second which is a helluva lot more than any pool hustler would give ya! At least any buyer on e-bay had SOME forewarning and could have questioned the seller for more information. At the very least, any potential buyer reading that ad SHOULD have had a red flag go up in their head. Hustlers, they just blindside the hell out of you for your money.

Now, don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against gambling and people taking other peoples money that are willing to lose it. It's just that I don't like the idea of the "con". Man up and go into the poolroom playing at top speed. Then if someone wants to give you their rent money it's nobody's fault but their own.

So, why do hustlers get a free pass and joeyb is a "douche bag" to many???

Maniac
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That's a very good point, but I think the difference is that when you play someone for cash the risk is known. When you buy a cue on eBay that has a picture you are staring at what it is. The cue is not going to turn into a unicorn when you get it and fly away.

Another point is that when you play for cash and your hiding your guns there is no guarantee that the person playing you isn't doing the same. When you do it on eBay......it's just the person selling.
 
That's a very good point, but I think the difference is that when you play someone for cash the risk is known. When you buy a cue on eBay that has a picture you are staring at what it is. The cue is not going to turn into a unicorn when you get it and fly away.

Another point is that when you play for cash and your hiding your guns there is no guarantee that the person playing you isn't doing the same. When you do it on eBay......it's just the person selling.
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But, if you sell on ebay, the buyer is allow to bid. Even if the bid is lower than the seller expected, the seller must sell his cue...I think it's more than fair...
Why people bid on ebay? what is their motivation? I believe the answer is
TO GET AN UNDERPRICED PRODUCT....
 
sengkun108 said:
But, if you sell on ebay, the buyer is allow to bid. Even if the bid is lower than the seller expected, the seller must sell his cue...I think it's more than fair...
Why people bid on ebay? what is their motivation? I believe the answer is
TO GET AN UNDERPRICED PRODUCT....
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Dedy, with all due respect...this is not exactly true. First of all, the seller had the bid price starting at $2500, so no super bargain there, as evidenced by the fact the auction ended with no bids. Also, there are plenty of stories where the seller had a $1 starting bid, the cue sold for less than they were expecting, and the seller defaulted on the sale.

My point was...and some peeps keep missing it...that there wasn't exactly 'truth in advertising' with the listing. What bothers me most is that he was willing to send out pics of the defects, but was unwilling to have them posted here publicly. That was already a 'red flag'. But the fact that he neglected to provide those same pics in his eBay listing, and only showcased the 'good' side of the cue in the pics listed, indicates a bit of subterfuge to me.

He was playing the 'fine print' play a little too thinly, and in fact, missed eBay's 'fine print' which clearly states to see the items listing for 'further details'...details he managed to conveniently leave out. All this points to his overall character as an individual. Did he get screwed? Quite likely. Did it make it right for him to attempt to do likewise via eBay...no, it did not.

Sure, he had every right to sell the cue if he wished...there is no dispute to that...it was the manner in which he attempted to do so that is in dispute.

I am not really sure I can possibly make this any clearer. For those who fail to see the logic, perhaps a look within may be in order.

Lisa
 
I have thought about this and after calling both Perry and Joey a douche it dawned on me that I have done unrelated things in my life that were worse. Granted I believe I've grown up and would never pull stunts like Perry and Joey did again but I'd still like to apologize. Please forgive me.
 
ridewiththewind said:
Dedy, with all due respect...this is not exactly true. First of all, the seller had the bid price starting at $2500, so no super bargain there, as evidenced by the fact the auction ended with no bids. Also, there are plenty of stories where the seller had a $1 starting bid, the cue sold for less than they were expecting, and the seller defaulted on the sale.

My point was...and some peeps keep missing it...that there wasn't exactly 'truth in advertising' with the listing. What bothers me most is that he was willing to send out pics of the defects, but was unwilling to have them posted here publicly. That was already a 'red flag'. But the fact that he neglected to provide those same pics in his eBay listing, and only showcased the 'good' side of the cue in the pics listed, indicates a bit of subterfuge to me.

He was playing the 'fine print' play a little too thinly, and in fact, missed eBay's 'fine print' which clearly states to see the items listing for 'further details'...details he managed to conveniently leave out. All this points to his overall character as an individual. Did he get screwed? Quite likely. Did it make it right for him to attempt to do likewise via eBay...no, it did not.

Sure, he had every right to sell the cue if he wished...there is no dispute to that...it was the manner in which he attempted to do so that is in dispute.

I am not really sure I can possibly make this any clearer. For those who fail to see the logic, perhaps a look within may be in order.

Lisa
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Great post Lisa. To make it even clearer to good ole John B how about a new thread dedicated to making sure that the purchaser of the cue at issue gets a look at this thread.

Maybe something like - "To purchaser of Perry Weston Cue purchased from John Branford of Reading, PA, do you know the full history of the cue you bought from him". I'm sure John won't mind since he's into airing dirty laundry on the internet. Maybe someone should start that thread so that future generations of cue purchasers will have information on why they should avoid both Perry Weston and John Branford.

Weston was definitely wrong. Unless johnb has no problem in showing this thread to the purchaser of this cue, he is wrong too! imo, of course.

Mike
 
Dedy, with all due respect...this is not exactly true. First of all, the seller had the bid price starting at $2500, so no super bargain there, as evidenced by the fact the auction ended with no bids. Also, there are plenty of stories where the seller had a $1 starting bid, the cue sold for less than they were expecting, and the seller defaulted on the sale.

My point was...and some peeps keep missing it...that there wasn't exactly 'truth in advertising' with the listing. What bothers me most is that he was willing to send out pics of the defects, but was unwilling to have them posted here publicly. That was already a 'red flag'. But the fact that he neglected to provide those same pics in his eBay listing, and only showcased the 'good' side of the cue in the pics listed, indicates a bit of subterfuge to me.

He was playing the 'fine print' play a little too thinly, and in fact, missed eBay's 'fine print' which clearly states to see the items listing for 'further details'...details he managed to conveniently leave out. All this points to his overall character as an individual. Did he get screwed? Quite likely. Did it make it right for him to attempt to do likewise via eBay...no, it did not.

Sure, he had every right to sell the cue if he wished...there is no dispute to that...it was the manner in which he attempted to do so that is in dispute.

I am not really sure I can possibly make this any clearer. For those who fail to see the logic, perhaps a look within may be in order.

Lisa
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Lisa,

I fully agree with you. You made some good point and maybe i get what your point is. I also don't want to defence the OP, by saying that he is an honest person.

I just realize and understand what kind situation he face with, because i have been in the same condition as he is in the past. He was trying to make a "trap" to his potential customer, he ended up not to "catch" anything on his "trap" (ebay).

His motive is try to get his money back. But as i mention before, it's not easy to sell anything on ebay for the fair price, because buyer come to ebay for UNDERPRICE PRODUCT. If they want a fair price product, they will looking for a shop or dealer.

After All, it's PW who make the OP situation compilcated.
1. If The OP decide to say anything to the potential buyer upfront and he is hide nothing, then HE WILL LOST HIS MONEY MORE THEN 1200$
2. If the Op decide to hide something wrong with this cue, he is not a good person and people will slander him as a dishonest person.

So, it's a Lose - Lose situation for him to decide.

Now, i don't know any thing about the OP, But i think he is not 100% making mistake from his move.

1. He put a "factory second" mark on his perry weston cue
2. He is telling everyone on ebay that his cue is a NEW CUE. He is right, the cue is AS NEW AS HE GET from PW.
3. Yes, he is a DISHONEST man, but he ended up nothing from his "trap"


But, you know what?. What kind a positive we got for argument and talk back and forth about how the OP try to sell his cue. it's not relevant with this thread.

What is relevant is we must take his experience to make us wiser in the future on dealing with the cue maker or if we are a cuemaker, how we deal with customer. what is relevant is we must push ACA to realize and concern about this kind of problem. If cuemaker and ACA ignored this message, then no wonder the pool industry and pool sport can not BIG.

PS: Sorry, my english is not good. i hope somebody know what i'm talking about.:o

Best
Dedy:)
 
sengkun108 said:
Lisa,

I fully agree with you. You made some good point and maybe i get what your point is. I also don't want to defence the OP, by saying that he is an honest person.

I just realize and understand what kind situation he face with, because i have been in the same condition as he is in the past. He was trying to make a "trap" to his potential customer, he ended up not to "catch" anything on his "trap" (ebay).

His motive is try to get his money back. But as i mention before, it's not easy to sell anything on ebay for the fair price, because buyer come to ebay for UNDERPRICE PRODUCT. If they want a fair price product, they will looking for a shop or dealer.

After All, it's PW who make the OP situation compilcated.
1. If The OP decide to say anything to the potential buyer upfront and he is hide nothing, then HE WILL LOST HIS MONEY MORE THEN 1200$
2. If the Op decide to hide something wrong with this cue, he is not a good person and people will slander him as a dishonest person.

So, it's a Lose - Lose situation for him to decide.

Now, i don't know any thing about the OP, But i think he is not 100% making mistake from his move.

1. He put a "factory second" mark on his perry weston cue
2. He is telling everyone on ebay that his cue is a NEW CUE. He is right, the cue is AS NEW AS HE GET from PW.
3. Yes, he is a DISHONEST man, but he ended up nothing from his "trap"


But, you know what?. What kind a positive we got for argument and talk back and forth about how the OP try to sell his cue. it's not relevant with this thread.

What is relevant is we must take his experience to make us wiser in the future on dealing with the cue maker or if we are a cuemaker, how we deal with customer. what is relevant is we must push ACA to realize and concern about this kind of problem. If cuemaker and ACA ignored this message, then no wonder the pool industry and pool sport can not BIG.

PS: Sorry, my english is not good. i hope somebody know what i'm talking about.:o

Best
Dedy:)
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I get ya. :)
 
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