Holy Smoke!!!

Ok here goes. Over the last many months i have seen thread after thread about this cte aiming system. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT. That being said i have read many a thread were people praise it and others that bash it. No one has told us how the system works. And they want your money to buy a dvd or take a lesson. Is it just me or should these threads be in the FORSALE category... And for the threads on people who just took a lesson and think its the greatest thing ever. Great post it in the REVIEW category.

On a side note. Again i dont know anything about it. If it's so great why dont you have pros flocking to these instructors? I mean if cte helps you make more balls. That might be enough to make a shortstop the next US Open winner.

Now i love knowledge and would probably give my money away to take one of these lessons in the hopes i could learn anything that would help my game. Because i know, if i know what to do on any given shot all there is left is execution. But this is what makes the greats great they know what to do or create something and can execute it (with a high %).

In finishing please take your sales to the for sale section and reviews to the review section please. And if you are in the northwest giving a lesson dont hesatate to pm me before you come. Thank you for your time.



Side note answer. Most of the pros that I deal with are already great ballpocketers, that's why they are pros. They make more balls.
Still I do know several pros who use CTE.

Now let's take an open minded shortstop who wants to get better. If ball pocketing is not their greatest strength then maybe CTE could help. My largest student base are twice a week players. CTE does help them.

CTE is not magic nor mythical. Remember: There is no aiming system that will cover up with poor Fundamentals.

Wish I was in your area....SPF=randyg
 
Ok here goes. Over the last many months i have seen thread after thread about this cte aiming system. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT. That being said i have read many a thread were people praise it and others that bash it. No one has told us how the system works. And they want your money to buy a dvd or take a lesson. Is it just me or should these threads be in the FORSALE category... And for the threads on people who just took a lesson and think its the greatest thing ever. Great post it in the REVIEW category.

On a side note. Again i dont know anything about it. If it's so great why dont you have pros flocking to these instructors? I mean if cte helps you make more balls. That might be enough to make a shortstop the next US Open winner.

Now i love knowledge and would probably give my money away to take one of these lessons in the hopes i could learn anything that would help my game. Because i know, if i know what to do on any given shot all there is left is execution. But this is what makes the greats great they know what to do or create something and can execute it (with a high %).

In finishing please take your sales to the for sale section and reviews to the review section please. And if you are in the northwest giving a lesson dont hesatate to pm me before you come. Thank you for your time.



Side note answer. Most of the pros that I deal with are already great ballpocketers, that's why they are pros. They make more balls.
Still I do know several pros who use CTE.

Now let's take an open minded shortstop who wants to get better. If ball pocketing is not their greatest strength then maybe CTE could help. My largest student base are twice a week players. CTE does help them.

CTE is not magic nor mythical. Remember: There is no aiming system that will cover up poor Fundamentals.

Wish I was in your area....SPF=randyg
 
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Now...regarding the reply....You are correct...I am in no position to tell anyone what to do...I have never actually replied to someone like this in the first place...If I read something I don't like weather it be mocking, making fun, direct insult, whatever...I don't reply...I just move on to the next post...(unless it was directed at me..then I will reply)

I made an exception in this case for a few reasons.

1 - JoeyA likes to be the moral compass of the board....He seems to like to point out if someones compass is broken...He is not the worst....Sweet Marissa is the title holder of that catagory...and I doubt she will ever lose it......If JoeyA wants to continue to be the moral compass of the board...He needs to make sure his compass is in line.

2 - JoeyA gave me the big "PATOOEY" to me in the past...This was my opportunity to return favor.

3 - JoeyA's mocking post (admittedly funny) was not in tune with the mood of the thread....There were no posts made in that thread by so called CTE bashers...The thread was a totally positive thread about the development of CTE and its users.....So in essence......his post was actually a hijack of the thread...I can understand the misplaced post from JoeyA....he is fairly green to that type of post since it is rare for him....unless he is taking jabs at the ginger bread man...:wink:

What was the intent of his post? Was it "bait"???

When I made my now infamous post it was in line with the tone of the thread....In fact the thread itself is what gave me the "idea" of the stupid story.

JoeyA's post almost seems like "bait"....an open invite if you will for people to reply to his post and cause complete destruction of an otherwise (only) positive thead.......why start it down the path negativity???

In the words of the late Paul Harvey....."Good Day":):)

I can't speak for Joey. I have no idea why he chose the timing to get his "dig" in. I just found it odd you were outraged at those two posts. It looked to me like all he did was take some of the statements that have been directed at he and others and threw it right back at them.

Where was your outrage when these "same statements" were posted by others but directed at CTE users? :confused:

If you're gonna dish it out be prepared to take some too.


BTW...Now you know.....the rest of the story! :groucho:
 
I can't speak for Joey. I have no idea why he chose the timing to get his "dig" in. I just found it odd you were outraged at those two posts. It looked to me like all he did was take some of the statements that have been directed at he and others and threw it right back at them.

Where was your outrage when these "same statements" were posted by others but directed at CTE users? :confused:

If you're gonna dish it out be prepared to take some too.


BTW...Now you know.....the rest of the story! :groucho:


I think you may be confused a bit.....let me help you....this is outraged..:angry::mad::angry:.....this is "not" outraged..:):)

Look at my reply to JoeyA and see if I look "outraged"....I thought it was funny....but again....it was misplaced....it should be in the other thread where all the so called "bashers" are.

Did you actually read my reply to your post????? let me help you by reposting the very first lines in my reply.

I am in no position to tell anyone what to do...I have never actually replied to someone like this in the first place...If I read something I don't like weather it be mocking, making fun, direct insult, whatever...I don't reply...I just move on to the next post...(unless it was directed at me..then I will reply)

I will admit this....I am very frustrated with the CTErs that are coming on here and saying it works great....but are unwilling to answer any of my questions about CTE....I have seen multiple versions of the method...multiple demonstration videos of the method, yet as soon as I ask a simple question about the method...it is mums the word.

BTW...I have a 9' GCII directly behind me...I simply turn around, pick up cue and experiment....I can't count how many posts I have read about methods (of all kinds not just alignment) where I go "experiment"....Quite often I pick pieces of methods that fit into my own personal make up and incorporate them....other times.....the method screws my game up for a week until I can "forget" what I read.....I have found that this board can help your game tremendously....it can also screw the hell out of it.

Also BTW....I am not a "math" guy...I am just your normal logical thinker kind of guy with a slightly above average IQ....whatever the hell that IQ score means anyway.:rolleyes:

Also Also BTW....I use a pivot method for select shots in my game....I don't feel I will ever need to use the pivot for every single shot...but I would like to "eventually" get the answers to my questions to see if it unlocks something that I might be able to incorporate into my own personal style of alingment....

I will always continue to look to improve my alignment method until I never miss....or until I die...whichever comes first...:wink:

Oh....:)....just so you know I am not "outraged"
 
"Maybe someday the people who study pool as an intellectual endeavor will catch up to you and with their combined brain power they will figure out HOW it works using the scientific method. Until then you just keep helping people to learn a better way to aim."

Thank you John!

I'm sick to death of the condescending attitude exhibited by Dr. Dave, PJ, GMT and others of their ilk.

Amen. If it helps me pocket balls I don't really have to know the physics of why!
 
Joey...post #16 & post #19 are your WORST POSTS EVER.....big PATOOOEY!!!!


Remember...2 wrongs don't make a right....

Those posts are doing nothing but instigating and making fun (as you say) at the expense of others....and is like dropping a big piece of bloody meat in shark infested waters.

Why is it ok for you to do it and not others? The answer ...."They started it" is not acceptable.

The only reason I did not "direct quote" them is to give you the opportunity to modify them....The choice is yours though...:)

Why did you post in this thread? You say you're neutral, but I really question your motives with this post.

MM
 
I think you may be confused a bit.....let me help you....this is outraged..:angry::mad::angry:.....this is "not" outraged..:):)

Look at my reply to JoeyA and see if I look "outraged"....I thought it was funny....but again....it was misplaced....it should be in the other thread where all the so called "bashers" are.

Did you actually read my reply to your post????? let me help you by reposting the very first lines in my reply.

I am in no position to tell anyone what to do...I have never actually replied to someone like this in the first place...If I read something I don't like weather it be mocking, making fun, direct insult, whatever...I don't reply...I just move on to the next post...(unless it was directed at me..then I will reply)

I will admit this....I am very frustrated with the CTErs that are coming on here and saying it works great....but are unwilling to answer any of my questions about CTE....I have seen multiple versions of the method...multiple demonstration videos of the method, yet as soon as I ask a simple question about the method...it is mums the word.

BTW...I have a 9' GCII directly behind me...I simply turn around, pick up cue and experiment....I can't count how many posts I have read about methods (of all kinds not just alignment) where I go "experiment"....Quite often I pick pieces of methods that fit into my own personal make up and incorporate them....other times.....the method screws my game up for a week until I can "forget" what I read.....I have found that this board can help your game tremendously....it can also screw the hell out of it.

Also BTW....I am not a "math" guy...I am just your normal logical thinker kind of guy with a slightly above average IQ....whatever the hell that IQ score means anyway.:rolleyes:

Also Also BTW....I use a pivot method for select shots in my game....I don't feel I will ever need to use the pivot for every single shot...but I would like to "eventually" get the answers to my questions to see if it unlocks something that I might be able to incorporate into my own personal style of alingment....

I will always continue to look to improve my alignment method until I never miss....or until I die...whichever comes first...:wink:

Oh....:)....just so you know I am not "outraged"

Ken, Thanks for your help!:rolleyes:

Your large font in your reply to Joey usually is used to convey yelling or anger. That's why someone might not understand your tone. I did read some of your other posts and the reason you aren't getting the answers you are looking for might be the tone you are using.
 
I think you may be confused a bit.....let me help you....this is outraged..:angry::mad::angry:.....this is "not" outraged..:):)

Look at my reply to JoeyA and see if I look "outraged"....I thought it was funny....but again....it was misplaced....it should be in the other thread where all the so called "bashers" are.

Did you actually read my reply to your post????? let me help you by reposting the very first lines in my reply.

I am in no position to tell anyone what to do...I have never actually replied to someone like this in the first place...If I read something I don't like weather it be mocking, making fun, direct insult, whatever...I don't reply...I just move on to the next post...(unless it was directed at me..then I will reply)

I will admit this....I am very frustrated with the CTErs that are coming on here and saying it works great....but are unwilling to answer any of my questions about CTE....I have seen multiple versions of the method...multiple demonstration videos of the method, yet as soon as I ask a simple question about the method...it is mums the word.

BTW...I have a 9' GCII directly behind me...I simply turn around, pick up cue and experiment....I can't count how many posts I have read about methods (of all kinds not just alignment) where I go "experiment"....Quite often I pick pieces of methods that fit into my own personal make up and incorporate them....other times.....the method screws my game up for a week until I can "forget" what I read.....I have found that this board can help your game tremendously....it can also screw the hell out of it.

Also BTW....I am not a "math" guy...I am just your normal logical thinker kind of guy with a slightly above average IQ....whatever the hell that IQ score means anyway.:rolleyes:

Also Also BTW....I use a pivot method for select shots in my game....I don't feel I will ever need to use the pivot for every single shot...but I would like to "eventually" get the answers to my questions to see if it unlocks something that I might be able to incorporate into my own personal style of alingment....

I will always continue to look to improve my alignment method until I never miss....or until I die...whichever comes first...:wink:

Oh....:)....just so you know I am not "outraged"

OK, now I understand...time for you to move on or pony up some $$$ for some lessons.

MM
 
Ok here goes. Over the last many months i have seen thread after thread about this cte aiming system. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT. That being said i have read many a thread were people praise it and others that bash it. No one has told us how the system works. And they want your money to buy a dvd or take a lesson. Is it just me or should these threads be in the FORSALE category... And for the threads on people who just took a lesson and think its the greatest thing ever. Great post it in the REVIEW category.

On a side note. Again i dont know anything about it. If it's so great why dont you have pros flocking to these instructors? I mean if cte helps you make more balls. That might be enough to make a shortstop the next US Open winner.

Now i love knowledge and would probably give my money away to take one of these lessons in the hopes i could learn anything that would help my game. Because i know, if i know what to do on any given shot all there is left is execution. But this is what makes the greats great they know what to do or create something and can execute it (with a high %).

In finishing please take your sales to the for sale section and reviews to the review section please. And if you are in the northwest giving a lesson dont hesatate to pm me before you come. Thank you for your time.

If you have read these threads then you know the following things to be 100% fact.

1. CTE is a real method that some highly regarded and qualified instructors teach as a part of their overall curriculm.

2. Many people have PAID for lessons which include CTE and have posted favorable reviews of the system as pertains to their game.

3. Those that bash it have not learned it from qualified instructors or anyone else.

4. How it works is not as important as knowing that it works. The number of people testifying that CTE has helped them to be better players far outweighs the few people who are stuck on getting the math behind it before trying it.

Those four things are indisputable. Go through the threads and count the number of people who are pool teachers of note who teach CTE and count the number of people who took instruction and reported favorably. Compare those to the number of people who "bash" CTE without even trying to learn it.

CTE exists and will continue to do so whether you want to learn it or not. Bob Byrne will probably give you advice for free if you run into him at the pool room. But he does not come on here and publish the information that he put into a book and sells.

Lastly, the bashers have told you how CTE works. Those are the scientists and although they have NEVER learned any version of CTE from a qualified instructor they have told you and all of us how it works.

Dr. Dave Alciatore, PHD has compiled a list of "resources" which contain many opinons on how CTE works. It's all subconscious adjustment and feel predicated by an initial ballpark starting alignment.

So there you go,

That's all you need to know, start with a half-ball hit and pivot until you find the aiming line running through the center of the cueball. That's it. According to Pat Johnson and backed up by Dave Alciatore, PHD. Although neither of these two have ever learned CTE they have described how it works.

Now if you would like the finer points of the system beyond that I would highly suggest that you get with a qualified instructor. Neither of these two can instruct you in how to apply CTE although they take the liberty to tell you how it works.

An example of such a qualified instructor who has taught CTE to professionals and amateurs alike is Stan Shuffet who is in fact about to release a video on the subject.

You be asked for money if you elect to take instruction from the instructors who have made teaching pool their career. If you want the finer points for free then there are a good amount of very good people on this forum willing to help you in private for free. Well not entirely for free. The price of getting their help is don't be a jerk about it on the open forum.

Otherwise, don't learn it. The world won't end. If you're happy with your game then simply ignore the conversations.

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Interlude:

A little story about knocking something you don't know about but think you do:

Buddy Hall and Country Calvin Hargove were on the road with Calvin doing most of the backing. They roll up in one spot where a reputed local champion played that neither of them had ever seen play. The local guy wanted Buddy to give up the 7/8 and Buddy wanted to but Calvin said it was too much weight for Buddy to give a local champion. Calvin opted not to be part of the action. Buddy gave up the weight and beat the local guy silly. Later he taunted his road buddy Calvin with the winnings.

Buddy's reasoning was simple, "I know my game and if this guy was good enough to beat me then I'd already know it".

The moral of the story is that if you listen to naysayers and knockers then you often pass up opportunities. Naysayers have a place but at the end of the day you go with your own heart as to whether you will try something or not.
 
:D This thread looks like presidential election night at Thomas E. Dewey headquarters :D

But to be perfectly serious and candid: It looks like a staged and planned "hurrah for CTE" thread....
 

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:D This thread looks like presidential election night at Thomas E. Dewey headquarters :D

But to be perfectly serious and candid: It looks like a staged and planned "hurrah for CTE" thread....

So what if it is?

But it's not, it's a personal testimonial from an INSTRUCTOR who was against Hal's systems for the same reasons you are.

However after receiving personal instruction from another instructor he has learned how to apply the system and how to teach it.

And this is his way to express his satisfaction with that experience.

In other words it's ANOTHER fine testimonial that amounts to IT WORKS.

By someone who actually learned it. Imagine that. Learn, do, teach.
 
So what if it is?

Uh...yeah.

But it's not, it's a personal testimonial from an INSTRUCTOR who was against Hal's systems for the same reasons you are.

Sorry. I don't really know my way 'round the kool-aid fountains yet. I thought the "SPF" moniker represented a certain....oh....very tight "instructors clique."

What do I know. I've just been here a short time.
 
If you have read these threads then you know the following things to be 100% fact.

1. CTE is a real method that some highly regarded and qualified instructors teach as a part of their overall curriculm.

2. Many people have PAID for lessons which include CTE and have posted favorable reviews of the system as pertains to their game.

3. Those that bash it have not learned it from qualified instructors or anyone else.

4. How it works is not as important as knowing that it works. The number of people testifying that CTE has helped them to be better players far outweighs the few people who are stuck on getting the math behind it before trying it.

Those four things are indisputable. Go through the threads and count the number of people who are pool teachers of note who teach CTE and count the number of people who took instruction and reported favorably. Compare those to the number of people who "bash" CTE without even trying to learn it.

CTE exists and will continue to do so whether you want to learn it or not. Bob Byrne will probably give you advice for free if you run into him at the pool room. But he does not come on here and publish the information that he put into a book and sells.

Lastly, the bashers have told you how CTE works. Those are the scientists and although they have NEVER learned any version of CTE from a qualified instructor they have told you and all of us how it works.

Dr. Dave Alciatore, PHD has compiled a list of "resources" which contain many opinons on how CTE works. It's all subconscious adjustment and feel predicated by an initial ballpark starting alignment.

So there you go,

That's all you need to know, start with a half-ball hit and pivot until you find the aiming line running through the center of the cueball. That's it. According to Pat Johnson and backed up by Dave Alciatore, PHD. Although neither of these two have ever learned CTE they have described how it works.

Now if you would like the finer points of the system beyond that I would highly suggest that you get with a qualified instructor. Neither of these two can instruct you in how to apply CTE although they take the liberty to tell you how it works.

An example of such a qualified instructor who has taught CTE to professionals and amateurs alike is Stan Shuffet who is in fact about to release a video on the subject.

You be asked for money if you elect to take instruction from the instructors who have made teaching pool their career. If you want the finer points for free then there are a good amount of very good people on this forum willing to help you in private for free. Well not entirely for free. The price of getting their help is don't be a jerk about it on the open forum.

Otherwise, don't learn it. The world won't end. If you're happy with your game then simply ignore the conversations.

----------------------------------------------------------

Interlude:

A little story about knocking something you don't know about but think you do:

Buddy Hall and Country Calvin Hargove were on the road with Calvin doing most of the backing. They roll up in one spot where a reputed local champion played that neither of them had ever seen play. The local guy wanted Buddy to give up the 7/8 and Buddy wanted to but Calvin said it was too much weight for Buddy to give a local champion. Calvin opted not to be part of the action. Buddy gave up the weight and beat the local guy silly. Later he taunted his road buddy Calvin with the winnings.

Buddy's reasoning was simple, "I know my game and if this guy was good enough to beat me then I'd already know it".

The moral of the story is that if you listen to naysayers and knockers then you often pass up opportunities. Naysayers have a place but at the end of the day you go with your own heart as to whether you will try something or not.

To start with i was not knocking the cte system or its instructors. Never did i say this or in any way say i knew how it worked. Do you have any valid point to quoting anything i said? As far as if it works or not i have no idea i already said i know nothing about it.

It seems to be a product so take it to the for sale section, and the reviews of said product to the review section. Currently i use the good old fashioned judgement method. My pool world is still flat and no one has proven to me that it is round . I have yet to see any lessons in the northwests otherwise i would have probably taken them, they are highly regarded instructors and even if the system doesn't work for me i might learn something. k thanks

As far as your 100% facts
#1 I have not seen or met anyone that uses the system. And i dont trust people on the internet for there word. In my experience people that sell something will tell you whatever you want to hear. So in that regard i would love for you to show me a top professional that uses this system. For this point maybe all the people that have had these lessons would have improved their games anyways being with a top instructor.

#2 That is great for them they need to post them in the review section...

#3 I have read the threads and alot of good has been said and some bashing also. I do believe i never said anything bad about the system. As i could not since i do not know it.

#4 (How it works is not as important as knowing that it works) Are you saying the people selling lessons dont know how the system accually works? I dont understand this.

Heh all four of your points are disputable from my standpoint im sorry to tell you
 
Uh...yeah.



Sorry. I don't really know my way 'round the kool-aid fountains yet. I thought the "SPF" moniker represented a certain....oh....very tight "instructors clique."

What do I know. I've just been here a short time.

Kool-Aid fountain sure. You know what's particularly shitty about using this reference is the tragedy it's pulled from. A lot of people died and for you to compare this to that as a way to be insulting is just stupid.

The fact is that these people are making a living instructing people how to play pool. They have reputations to uphold and wouldn't endanger them to sell crap.

You come in here and anonymously attack them with bullshit posts like the one about Dewey and now this one with reference to the Jim Jones massacre.

All that for a system you don't even know how to do?

I mean you're supposed to be a huge deal right? Some sort of molecular biologist who runs around with Nobel prize winners?

And yet you just stumbled in here one day and decided you were going to debunk CTE at all costs right? So now anytime someone posts a positive review about their CTE experience you will just jump in and demean them?

Is this going to to be your contribution to humanity? Tilting at the CTE windmill?

Can't you go and solve global warming or something useful? Unless of course you are a liar and none of the things you say about yourself are true. Which would make sense. ON the other hand if the things you say are true then it just makes you pathetic when one thinks that you have spent nearly 600 posts knocking something you have no clue how to do.

A mind IS a terrible thing to waste and especially when $100,000 was spent training it.
 
Kool-Aid fountain sure. You know what's particularly shitty about using this reference is the tragedy it's pulled from. A lot of people died and for you to compare this to that as a way to be insulting is just stupid.

Hold on. I've gotta stop right there (I didn't even READ the rest of your post).

That metaphor has been used COUNTLESS TIMES, for EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN since 1978. (Including about five times per page in every CTE thread on this forum.)

That you choose NOW to claim it's some justifiable faux pas to excoriate ME about really can only demonstrate one thing: you're certifiable.
 
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The fact is that these people are making a living instructing people how to play pool. They have reputations to uphold and wouldn't endanger them to sell crap.

Two rather incendiary sentences to juxtapose: Only those who SELL can sell CRAP.
 
So now anytime someone posts a positive review about their CTE experience you will just jump in and demean them?

Hmmm....I didn't demean anyone....Oops, I know: anything that happens to skitter through your cobwebs is automatically true.
 
A little story about knocking something you don't know about but think you do:

Buddy Hall and Country Calvin Hargove were on the road with Calvin doing most of the backing. They roll up in one spot where a reputed local champion played that neither of them had ever seen play. The local guy wanted Buddy to give up the 7/8 and Buddy wanted to but Calvin said it was too much weight for Buddy to give a local champion. Calvin opted not to be part of the action. Buddy gave up the weight and beat the local guy silly. Later he taunted his road buddy Calvin with the winnings.

Buddy's reasoning was simple, "I know my game and if this guy was good enough to beat me then I'd already know it".

The moral of the story is that if you listen to naysayers and knockers then you often pass up opportunities. Naysayers have a place but at the end of the day you go with your own heart as to whether you will try something or not.

uh...or else the moral of the story is: If two people take opposite sides of a yes-no bet then one will end up being right and the other wrong--and no matter WHAT, the one who was right will go around saying "I KNEW it!"
 
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To start with i was not knocking the cte system or its instructors. Never did i say this or in any way say i knew how it worked. Do you have any valid point to quoting anything i said? As far as if it works or not i have no idea i already said i know nothing about it.

It seems to be a product so take it to the for sale section, and the reviews of said product to the review section. Currently i use the good old fashioned judgement method. My pool world is still flat and no one has proven to me that it is round . I have yet to see any lessons in the northwests otherwise i would have probably taken them, they are highly regarded instructors and even if the system doesn't work for me i might learn something. k thanks

As far as your 100% facts
#1 I have not seen or met anyone that uses the system. And i dont trust people on the internet for there word. In my experience people that sell something will tell you whatever you want to hear. So in that regard i would love for you to show me a top professional that uses this system. For this point maybe all the people that have had these lessons would have improved their games anyways being with a top instructor.

Stevie Moore.

#2 That is great for them they need to post them in the review section...

Tell the moderators.

#3 I have read the threads and alot of good has been said and some bashing also. I do believe i never said anything bad about the system. As i could not since i do not know it.

Didn't say you bashed anything. The fact that you exercise restraint because you do not know it already puts you way ahead of all the actual bashers.

#4 (How it works is not as important as knowing that it works) Are you saying the people selling lessons dont know how the system accually works? I dont understand this.

No. I am saying that it's not necessary to know how it works in order to use it or teach it.

I am not saying that people who charge for teaching it don't know how it works. I am saying that they are under no obligation to reveal that on demand.

However if someone wants to challenge that it works then they should LEARN the system and then break it down.

Heh all four of your points are disputable from my standpoint im sorry to tell you

No, they are indisputable. You didn't read them correctly.

1. CTE exists. Whether you have personal met anyone who uses it or not it exists. That's like saying an Iphone doesn't exist because I have never met anyone who has one.

2. People have bought lessons and posted favorable reviews of their experience. That is indisputable. How you interpret that FACT is up to you.

3. So far not one BASHER has stood up to say that they learned CTE directly from Hal Houle or any other proponent of CTE who is qualified to teach it. - If I am wrong then show me the proof.

4. Not knowing HOW it works has not stopped people who have learned CTE from using it successfully. That's a fact that is indisputable.

Those four things are undeniable facts that have come out of these threads. So if you have read them all then you know these four things to be true whether you admit it or not.

Your comparison to believing the world is flat is a perfect example of the impasse between the Bashers and those who have sailed around the world on the CTE ship already.

I refer you to Plato's Allegory of the Cave for some deeper insight into this subject. The quick breakdown is that if some people are chained so that they only see the back wall of the cave all their lives and the only thing that they can know of the world beyond theirs are shadows of people moving past the cave projected on the wall from the sunlight that comes in then they will make up all sorts of beliefs about what those images mean. If one of the prisoners is set free and explores the world beyond the cave and then comes back to tell the rest of the people what he has seen then they will consider him to be crazy because what he tells them will defy all the meaning that they built their lives (and sanity) on.

CTE defies "conventional" understanding of "aiming". So anyone who goes against the grain of Ghost Ball aiming (flat Earth) is labeled a heretic by those who are highly invested in the Earth staying flat. But as we have seen in all these threads a lot of former skeptics have crossed the line and tried it and come away as believers.

So even if you were to unchain the prisoners and tell them that they could all leave the cave and see the world for themselves some of them would stay facing the wall, unwilling to step into the unknown and defending the "known" until they died.

I don't know you and don't care if you ever learn CTE. If you and I play in a tournament then I will be confident on every shot because I use CTE. You might be just as confident with your game without CTE. The world keeps turning either way.

And either way CTE will keep getting taught to whoever wants to learn it.
 
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