Getting Serious on Learning Cueball Control?

SirNoobs

SirNoobs

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Lucking and fluking shots are nice (and sucks when you're playing against someone who just bangs them into the pockets randomly), but I'd rather want to be able to set up positions to pocket the balls easier. I understand what english does to a cueball's tangent and what left/right does to it when it comes off a rail, but when I try to do that, I either miss or the cueball doesn't really come off the rail the way I want to.

What are some things I can do to develop this and what are some resources I can check out?
 
SirNoobs said:
I understand what english does to a cueball's tangent and what left/right does to it when it comes off a rail, but when I try to do that, I either miss or the cueball doesn't really come off the rail the way I want to.
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one good resource starts here: http://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/index.html

The way you wrote the "statement of doubt" indicates that you don't understand what happens durring the CB-OB contact with respect to spin. You need to look up "throw", "swerve", "skid", and a few others.

Basically, a CB with sidespin will not appear to hit the OB at the point where it actually hits the OB! The OB takes off on a different path, and the CB takes a different tangent line! This concept expressed in angles is known as "throw". One can place an OB on center-spot, the CB on head-spot, hit the OB exactly on the line between the CB and the middle diamond of the end rail, and cause the OB to impact the end rail more than one diamond away from the middle diamond--all from the sidespin on the CB. Understanding throw liberates you stroke in the use of sidespin to control CB positioni. That is, you can use sidepsin and not miss the pocket.
 
SirNoobs said:
Lucking and fluking shots are nice (and sucks when you're playing against someone who just bangs them into the pockets randomly), but I'd rather want to be able to set up positions to pocket the balls easier. I understand what english does to a cueball's tangent and what left/right does to it when it comes off a rail, but when I try to do that, I either miss or the cueball doesn't really come off the rail the way I want to.

What are some things I can do to develop this and what are some resources I can check out?
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Here's a place to start

cue ball control part 1

cue ball control part 2

Then I'd recommend getting the VEPS series from Dave Alciatore
 
Little Joe, aka Joe V has a GREAT DVD on Cueball Control. BIMHO information is only as good as the amount of time you work on practicing and perfecting it.
 
I believe that cue ball control starts with cue stick control.....SPF=randyg
 
randyg said:
I believe that cue ball control starts with cue stick control.....SPF=randyg
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The #1 nugget of information i took from the lesson i had with Mark Wilson over by St. Louis is as follows:

"If you want to be a top level pool player, you have to be able to deliver that cue tip at the EXACT aim spot on the cue ball, time and again"

and Scott Lee was the first to tell me what Randy just said - control the cue stick first.

Mike

p.s. i hope i've got all that right. i am sure someone will tell me if i dont.
 
I don't know if you're talking about yourself fluking balls in... but if that's the case, honestly I say before you even consider english, just pocket balls. If you can't pocket a ball how you want to, how do you expect to pocket a ball once you complicate it even further with english?
 
I have taught a few students and I suggest to start learning English by applying some English whenever the object ball is close to the pocket. That way you will get a feel for what happens with English without getting frustrated with missing

Do NOT give up on English. It's hard at first but will end up making everything way easier in the long run. It's the only way to get really good.
 
MitchAlsup said:
One can place an OB on center-spot, the CB on head-spot, hit the OB exactly on the line between the CB and the middle diamond of the end rail, and cause the OB to impact the end rail more than one diamond away from the middle diamond--all from the sidespin on the CB.
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From the center spot to one diamond away from the middle diamond on the end rail is about 14 degrees. I guarantee you aren't getting 14 or more degrees of throw from sidespin alone while hitting the OB dead in the face.

To hit that far over, I'm sure that you are actually cutting the OB due to the curving on the way to the OB due to the english. The maximum throw you're likely to see from a full hit with stun is more in the 3-5 degree range depending on how clean the balls are.

Robert
 
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