CTE Marketing

[dr_dave]

A simple thought experiment shows that CBs and OBs can be aligned in DIFFERENT PLACES on the table, yet have the same relative relationships. Here's an example (to see the pool table diagram of 3 different shots scroll down a bit). If only information from the OB and CB is used to "aim" those three different shots, the same aiming alignment will be produced--but DIFFERENT aiming alignments are in fact required to make all three of those shots. Therefore, one can logically conclude that CTE can't work.

GMT,

I understand your points, but CTE can work if the alignment and/or pivot are varied based on CB-OB distance and cut angle. The CTE resource page explains several ways CTE can work. Also, CTE does provide many benefits that can help some people improve their aiming.

I think it is important to realistically acknowledge both the advantages and limitations of any system, including CTE. In threads like this, people in different "camps" seem to have trouble seeing both "sides" of the issue.

People sometimes accuse me of "riding the fence." I don't see it that way. I see it as trying to see both sides of the argument.

Regards,
Dave

 

[sfleinen]

[...]and explanation on the CTE resource page must certainly apply, and many of the benefits associated with align-and-pivot systems like CTE might also apply.
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some of the limitations described on the CTE resource page.
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Dr. Dave:

Please don't take this as needling, but is the above really necessary? I mean repetitive linking to the same page? (You linked to your "CTE resource page" *twice* in the same post -- within the same paragraph, no less.) IMHO, this is part -- a small one, perhaps, but a part nonetheless -- of why you've been catching heat with the "sabotaging of threads" and "detour of the readership traffic onto your website." Not that that's bad (your site is perhaps the most comprehensive collection of information on the science of pool/billiards I've ever seen), but there comes a time when the linking gets somewhat abusive.

Respectfully and in my most humble opinion,
-Sean

 

[dr_dave]

Sorry about that. It honestly wasn't done on purpose. It was a copy-and-paste thing. FYI, I've removed the extra link.

Regards,
Dave

Dr. Dave:

Please don't take this as needling, but is the above really necessary? I mean repetitive linking to the same page? (You linked to your "CTE resource page" *twice* in the same post -- within the same paragraph, no less.) IMHO, this is part -- a small one, perhaps, but a part nonetheless -- of why you've been catching heat with the "sabotaging of threads" and "detour of the readership traffic onto your website." Not that that's bad (your site is perhaps the most comprehensive collection of information on the science of pool/billiards I've ever seen), but there comes a time when the linking gets somewhat abusive.

Respectfully and in my most humble opinion,
-Sean

 

[champ2107]

Joey,

Why do you keep writing this when you know it is not true, especially applied to me?

I have clearly stated multiple times that I don't know the details of Pro-One or understand how they can be applied to consistently and accurately pocket a wide range of shots of various CB-OB distances and cut angles. I don't know because the details of Pro-One have never been openly shared on any forum, in any published book or video, on any website, or in any published instructional article.

I have read, studied, and tried at the table everything posted about CTE over many years. I have also had phone conversations and e-mail exchanges with Hal, Ron, Stan, and Spidey over the years via phone and via e-mail, and I have studied and tried at the table everything they have suggested to me, but I still don't claim to know the important currently-missing details of Pro-One. I honestly hope Stan's DVD will change that. I am certainly looking forward to viewing it and learning from it.

You and others have claimed that Pro-One is a version of CTE ... or even "The Version" of CTE. If this is the case, then some of the illustrations and explanation on the CTE resource page must certainly apply, and many of the benefits associated with align-and-pivot systems like CTE might also apply. However, we won't know for sure until Stan's DVD and/or Spidey's tome are released. When they are, we will finally have definitive and readily-available resources that can be discussed. Then all of the marketing claims and anecdotes can be put into perspective and maybe appreciated better. I do look forward to learning more about how Pro-One addresses some of the limitations described on the CTE resource page. If it does, I will certainly be a strong supporter of the system, and will help "spread the word."

Sincerely and respectfully,
Dave

At least dr dave is trying to separate himself from PJ,Lou,Gmt now :thumbup: its about time!