USPPA Reno players, did they get paid?

[Dudley]

I agree.....this thread reminds me of the marathon thread about the IPT not paying on time (so long ago)........I would like to see everyone get paid and have some closure to this debacle......Obviously, some explanation should be given and even if one emerged, I think the USPPA might suffer for future credibility...

Well said Levartze and Wahcheck.

Even if payment comes through I would really like to understand how this happened.

The players have been really understanding thus far it has already been around a month since the tournament finished.

Hope they get paid.

Dud

 

[bumpypickle]

How it happened?

"Even if payment comes through I would really like to understand how this happened".


1st. The TD collects $100.00 from 99 players and holds the tournament. 2nd. The TD uses that entry fee money to pay for some expenses and some personal debt or keeps what is left over for cheeseburgers.
3rd. He tells the tournament players a number of reasons for the non payment.
4th. He packs up after the tournament and leaves town with the money and avoids phone calls for a few months and lets the whole thing blow over.

It's actually a brilliant little scam. Tony has been around for a long time and knows that he can get away with it. What are the players going to do? Really? Even if they somehow find a way to get to court over this they still don't have the money in their pocket. Do you think Tony cares about his credit or having yet another blemish on his reputation?

We have heard several different reasons for the non payment and just tonight I heard that Tony is now saying he is going to sue any pool hall that is using the WPPA system. The guy is just garbage and look how few players have come on this forum to even talk about it. Then again I think he was counting on that.

I also heard that Carson City Carl was calling J.G. Wentworth to try and get his money. Marshall "The poster child" Williams told me this one.

 

[jay helfert]

I just had a source tell me last night that some of the players were starting to get paid. Not necessarily the top finishers yet. Let's see what shakes out in the next few days.

 

[justnum]

"Even if payment comes through I would really like to understand how this happened".


1st. The TD collects $100.00 from 99 players and holds the tournament. 2nd. The TD uses that entry fee money to pay for some expenses and some personal debt or keeps what is left over for cheeseburgers.
3rd. He tells the tournament players a number of reasons for the non payment.
4th. He packs up after the tournament and leaves town with the money and avoids phone calls for a few months and lets the whole thing blow over.

It's actually a brilliant little scam. Tony has been around for a long time and knows that he can get away with it. What are the players going to do? Really? Even if they somehow find a way to get to court over this they still don't have the money in their pocket. Do you think Tony cares about his credit or having yet another blemish on his reputation?

We have heard several different reasons for the non payment and just tonight I heard that Tony is now saying he is going to sue any pool hall that is using the WPPA system. The guy is just garbage and look how few players have come on this forum to even talk about it. Then again I think he was counting on that.

I also heard that Carson City Carl was calling J.G. Wentworth to try and get his money. Marshall "The poster child" Williams told me this one.

Tony's "real friends" should prove themselves by defending against this righteous attack on Tony's business policies.

I heard Tony went to the Cochran Firm to handle the PR on this outrage because if the money wasn't there to begin with then he can't pay out.

 

[cardiac kid]

Tony's "real friends" should prove themselves by defending against this righteous attack on Tony's business policies.

I heard Tony went to the Cochran Firm to handle the PR on this outrage because if the money wasn't there to begin with then he can't pay out.

Wait a minute. Tony collected $99 per from all the players who attended the event. Yes or no? If all of them paid, then where is that money? To hell with the added money. Where's the entry fees? Why hasn't that money been paid out? PR my a$$. I've defended Tony a couple of times on various threads:frown:. No more. As the movie said, "show me the money"! NOW:angry:.

I didn't play in the event. It is easy however to see what is going on. One of the worst pool world black eyes ever. The pro's are used to it. Amateurs aren't. The silence is deafening!!!!!!

Justnum, perhaps Tony's real friends should be the ones to convince Tony to come forward with an explaination instead of "protecting" him. JMHO.

Lyn

 

[kybill9]

I would much rather play pool, have fun and let someone else handle all the planning and promoting of pool tournaments. The only reason why I started doing tournaments was because I missed what we once had going in Reno and I didn't see anything else on the horizon. There was just this big void. Al (lulu) felt the same way and offered to help; and, things just sort of fell in place. In just a year, nearly 500 other pool players also agree; many of these players are brand new to 9ball, some left years ago frustrated and now see new possibilities and are excited.

I welcome, with open arms, the opportunity to help anyone credible, responsible and able to listen as well as talk about possibilities of having handicapped and Open Reno/Las Vegas tournaments, like before...
The players in this region deserve a nice bigger tournament where they ca
experience the camaraderie of friends getting together year after year ahaving fun.

Bob, I have to apologize for responding to the wrong post a few days ago. My meds were really working.

 

[justnum]

Wait a minute. Tony collected $99 per from all the players who attended the event. Yes or no? If all of them paid, then where is that money? To hell with the added money. Where's the entry fees? Why hasn't that money been paid out? PR my a$$. I've defended Tony a couple of times on various threads:frown:. No more. As the movie said, "show me the money"! NOW:angry:.

I didn't play in the event. It is easy however to see what is going on. One of the worst pool world black eyes ever. The pro's are used to it. Amateurs aren't. The silence is deafening!!!!!!

Justnum, perhaps Tony's real friends should be the ones to convince Tony to come forward with an explaination instead of "protecting" him. JMHO.

Lyn

Regardless of what happen Tony made an "executive decision" and a true friend would defend his actions no matter what. If you lower yourselves to the level of 'bumpypickle' of accepting 'theories' of what happen with the money then you are against Tony and may suffer the "consequences" when he gives out jobs at next years event.

 

[kybill9]

Tony's "real friends" should prove themselves by defending against this righteous attack on Tony's business policies.

I heard Tony went to the Cochran Firm to handle the PR on this outrage because if the money wasn't there to begin with then he can't pay out.

Well bumpy, why don't you call Tony if your so interested. Tony tries very hard to promote pool. Whether he is a bad business person or not is not for me to decide. What I do know about him is that he wants to be a stand up guy. We pool players all have some grandiose notions about our abilities. It is what draws us to play. The worst part of this is something has gotten screwed up and no one has gotten in front of it. I don't know anyone who doesn't know what Tony is like that played in the tournament. You knew and you played anyway. I think people will get paid. I am hoping so for Tonys part. He lives and breathes pool day and night, promoting himself and the game. He's no dummy, but is he a businessman? He is a wirlwind of ideas. This playing at Peppermill has been in the works for years and I was glad to see him pull it off. The amount of animosity and indignation is all based on hearsay. I like Tony as a person myself. His ideas are fun. I hope this works out for him and all the players involved.

 

[cardiac kid]

Regardless of what happen Tony made an "executive decision" and a true friend would defend his actions no matter what. If you lower yourselves to the level of 'bumpypickle' of accepting 'theories' of what happen with the money then you are against Tony and may suffer the "consequences" when he gives out jobs at next years event.

Not trying to be dis-respectful but wouldn't an explaination directly from Tony be a better answer. My guess is that is how most conspiracy theories get started. Lack of truth from the people directly involved.

Next years event? My money is it will never happen. If it does, shame on the players who support the event after this debacle. Fool me once ......

Lyn

 

[levartze]

Bob, I have to apologize for responding to the wrong post a few days ago. My meds were really working.

No problem with me. I just want the players to get paid and feel we (those that played and those that could have played) deserve an explanation of what happened and what steps have been taken to prevent this from ever happening again.

Nobody is perfect and to expect such from any person or organization is unrealistic. A simple statement from someone saying "This is what happened....", "This is why it happened...", "Apologize for the inconvenience we've caused to the players and their families and the pool community...", "This is the plan of action to prevent this from ever happening again...", "Stress, Everyone WILL be paid".

If someone had release a statement like this, most would bear with it and wait; but, to say nothing just aggravates the issue and actually ends up making it worse for everyone. Now that a whole month has past with no official statement; it appears disrespecting and careless when in fact it may be quite the opposite.

 

[Dudley]

Tony's "real friends" should prove themselves by defending against this righteous attack on Tony's business policies.

I heard Tony went to the Cochran Firm to handle the PR on this outrage because if the money wasn't there to begin with then he can't pay out.

What do you mean the money wasn't there to begin with?

99 players X $100.00 = $9900.00

??????:frown:???????

Tony hosted a tournament, players showed up to play the tournament how is it acceptable to not pay out the moment the tournament finished.

If he had some problems with bonus money or added money that would suck, but it would be much easier for the players to accept.

Dudley

 

[justnum]

What do you mean the money wasn't there to begin with?

99 players X $100.00 = $9900.00

??????:frown:???????

Tony hosted a tournament, players showed up to play the tournament how is it acceptable to not pay out the moment the tournament finished.

If he had some problems with bonus money or added money that would suck, but it would be much easier for the players to accept.

Dudley

In regards to the entry fee some people borrow money from "undocumented" sources. Such creditors can be extremely intrusive in one's affairs especially if there is a publicly made money collection.

I am not saying Tony was involved with "undocumented creditors" I am just saying if there were undocumented creditors playing a role, they wouldn't wait to collect once they see money moving.

 

[Dudley]

In regards to the entry fee some people borrow money from "undocumented" sources. Such creditors can be extremely intrusive in one's affairs especially if there is a publicly made money collection.

I am not saying Tony was involved with "undocumented creditors" I am just saying if there were undocumented creditors playing a role, they wouldn't wait to collect once they see money moving.

???????

What would this collections scenario you are describing have anything to do with the pool tournament held at the peppermill?

Dud

 

[justnum]

???????

What would this collections scenario you are describing have anything to do with the pool tournament held at the peppermill?

Dud

Suppose a person, maybe Tony, had a habit and to finance that habit he borrowed money. The only chance the person would have to pay back the money is if the person somehow generated cash quickly like a pool tournament.

Sometimes the people that operate businesses have lives outside of the business. Sometimes its gambling, hookers, drugs, cars, or watches, in almost all cases someone overspends and finds themselves in debt to someone. Then they raid their business budgets or in a "hypothetical case" the prize and entry fee money of a pool tournament.

 

[levartze]

Regardless of what happen Tony made an "executive decision" and a true friend would defend his actions no matter what. If you lower yourselves to the level of 'bumpypickle' of accepting 'theories' of what happen with the money then you are against Tony and may suffer the "consequences" when he gives out jobs at next years event.

I would hope my "true friends" would not defend my actions "no matter what". If I'm wrong or not responding appropriately, I would hope my "true friends" would be honest with me and try to set me straight. The truth may hurt, but that's how we get better.

Your statement "...then you are against Tony and may suffer the "consequences" when he gives out jobs at next years event." makes me feel like your main concern is a future job. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but that's the way it sounds to me.

 

[justnum]

I would hope my "true friends" would not defend my actions "no matter what". If I'm wrong or not responding appropriately, I would hope my "true friends" would be honest with me and try to set me straight. The truth may hurt, but that's how we get better.

Your statement "...then you are against Tony and may suffer the "consequences" when he gives out jobs at next years event." makes me feel like your main concern is a future job. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but that's the way it sounds to me.

That is typical business language in parts of NYC.

Personally I do not speak like that, but I am trying to create a perspective that is attached to operating at a pool event.

 

[levartze]

Suppose a person, maybe Tony, had a habit and to finance that habit he borrowed money. The only chance the person would have to pay back the money is if the person somehow generated cash quickly like a pool tournament.

Sometimes the people that operate businesses have lives outside of the business. Sometimes its gambling, hookers, drugs, cars, or watches, in almost all cases someone overspends and finds themselves in debt to someone. Then they raid their business budgets or in a "hypothetical case" the prize and entry fee money of a pool tournament.

Well, there goes your future job opportunities with Tony.

 

[justnum]

Well, there goes your future job opportunities with Tony.

It doesn't do much for my relationship life either. :frown:

 

[wahcheck]

this is suspenseful...

....my hair is turning white waiting for an explanation.....

 

[spktur]

Well, there goes your future job opportunities with Tony.

Why would anyone want to work with/for him anyway? If he doesn't pay off at events like this he can't be trusted to pay off on payday and i don't work for free. As far as him holding more events, it won't be at a casino unless he gets this settled and makes things right. Those people keep an eye on things and don't want to have anything to do with a crooked or questionable promoter.