How much do cue "issues" affect $$$$

[lenoxmjs]

Another thread got me thinking

How much do these different issues affect value in your personal opinion and how do they affect your personal interest in a cue . Lets assume the cue is about a 5k retail piece.

Structural issue such as a roll in the butt, warped handle, rattle ?

If the structural issue was repaired by the maker does the cue come back to 100% value . What if it was repaired by someone else?


Cosmetic issue dings dents scratches? Refinished by the original maker does the cue come back to 100% value? What if refinished by someone else?


If the maker is deceased what should one do?


What if the cue has shafts less than 13mm or they are stained blue ?


What if a cue is sound both structurally and cosmeticlly but has changed hands several times recently?

 

[LAlouie]

ALL those things you mention.

 

[lenoxmjs]

ALL those things you mention.

Ok. But how much does value change on a percentage basis?

 

[thepavlos]

Another thread got me thinking

How much do these different issues affect value in your personal opinion and how do they affect your personal interest in a cue . Lets assume the cue is about a 5k retail piece.

Structural issue such as a roll in the butt, warped handle, rattle ?
Depends how old the cue is and how bad the defect is
If the structural issue was repaired by the maker does the cue come back to 100% value . What if it was repaired by someone else?
By the original maker is always preferred, by someone else becomes more tricky and depends on the extent of the repair

Cosmetic issue dings dents scratches? Refinished by the original maker does the cue come back to 100% value? What if refinished by someone else?
I might be in the minority here but I prefer my cues beat up and played with. As long as there is no bare wood exposed I think dings and scratches are fine ( it shows the cue was a great player and demanded to be played with) When doing a refinish on a cue, you should try to get as close to what the original finish would have been, which can be extremely difficult

If the maker is deceased what should one do?

Make the best educated decision and probably seek out multiple opinions as to how the defects should be addressed
What if the cue has shafts less than 13mm or they are stained blue ?
Great that means that the previous owner enjoyed playing with the cue. (I bought a Gus with five shafts, all were played with one had been turned down to play snooker)

What if a cue is sound both structurally and cosmetically but has changed hands several times recently?

Maybe the person could not hold on to the cue for any number of reasons from financial to "I got tired of it" but it will make you think something may be wrong nevertheless

 

[SCCues]

Another thread got me thinking

How much do these different issues affect value in your personal opinion and how do they affect your personal interest in a cue . Lets assume the cue is about a 5k retail piece.

Structural issue such as a roll in the butt, warped handle, rattle ?

I wanted to buy a high end Gina at the 2009 US Open and I was ready to make the deal until I rolled the butt on a pool table. It was warped and it probably could have been fixed by replacing the handle, but as soon as I saw the roll in the butt I was gone on that deal and I really wanted the cue.

If the structural issue was repaired by the maker does the cue come back to 100% value .

Not to me. I would have to get a good discount if I knew the handle had been replaced.

What if it was repaired by someone else?

I'd pass, to me it wouldn't be an original cue if another cue person worked on it.

Cosmetic issue dings dents scratches? Refinished by the original maker does the cue come back to 100% value?

No. A cue isn't the same after it's been refinished in most cases. Some of the original dimensions will change slightly in a lot of cases.

What if refinished by someone else?

I'd have to have a big discount from the unfinished original price of the cue.

If the maker is deceased what should one do?

If repairs are needed you find the best cue maker to work on the cue with the most respected name to keep the value up.

What if the cue has shafts less than 13mm or they are stained blue ?

It makes a big difference to me in what i'll pay for a cue. Normally 13mm shafts are the standard size shafts on a new cue and if they are smaller, even though they play better, I don't think the resale value is as good.

What if a cue is sound both structurally and cosmeticlly but has changed hands several times recently?

As long as it's in good condition that wouldn't bother me at all.

 

[classiccues]

Another thread got me thinking

How much do these different issues affect value in your personal opinion and how do they affect your personal interest in a cue . Lets assume the cue is about a 5k retail piece.

Structural issue such as a roll in the butt, warped handle, rattle ?

If the structural issue was repaired by the maker does the cue come back to 100% value . What if it was repaired by someone else??

I make it a point NOT to buy cues that have a wobble, period. If the cue isn't straight, I can't resell it, or it's very difficult. This is just MY perspective, and remember I do not collect. Older cues give you some latitude. However, that doesn't make them easier to sell. You have to be very careful with non-disclosure, you never know if the cue has been tweaked, and most people just won't tell you. Even when we do buy and ask for history, they don't know or don't tell. Which means you don't know. If any work done is done by the actual original cuemaker, IMHO it retains the all original status, and a deduction should not apply for a restored cue.

Cosmetic issue dings dents scratches? Refinished by the original maker does the cue come back to 100% value? What if refinished by someone else??

Yes, original cuemaker doing work it should retain most of the value. 100%, well that would be up to the eyes of the buyer. You should always ask the seller if he is selling a cue that he claims is "unhit" or "mint". That could mean mint and unhit AFTER restoration, in which you should know when you buy. If I have a lower tier cuemaker refinish a James White and clean the shafts to perfection, I should state that in the ad, not make people guess and wonder.

If the maker is deceased what should one do?

What if the cue has shafts less than 13mm or they are stained blue ?

What if a cue is sound both structurally and cosmeticlly but has changed hands several times recently?

In the case of restoring a cue like a Bushka, Paradise, Palmer, you should get it into the best hands possible. The higher the grade of original, the better your restorer should be. We won't be making this mistake again.

I wrote something on shafts a few years ago. Thin shafts are a deterrent, and a reason to reduce the price of a cue. I get offered SW's all the time with 12.6 - shafts. I deduct 350 per shaft, and 25 per month I will sit the cue waiting for SW to do the work. (6 months) For a deceased cuemaker, the BB guide is sufficient for shaft prices. However Szam, and Boti full, straight, shafts should command a premium.

Some cues must have a disease. You see them listed time and time again, I don't get it. It's like Rudolph and the Island of misfit cues....

JV

ps: The blue book's condition section is probably the best part of the book at this time. I cannot stress enough the multiplier that an all original, straight, sound cue from Bushka, Boti, Paradise, Palmer should bring. IMHO an all original model 20 in Ebony from Palmer in 95-100% should be no less than 4500, and maybe 5500+. However the current climate might not support that.

 

[PoolBum]

Cue issues can definitely affect price. I'd say a codependent cue is worth about two-thirds of what a normal cue is worth, while a bipolar cue is probably worth less than half of what a normal cue is worth.

 

[classiccues]

Cue issues can definitely affect price. I'd say a codependent cue is worth about two-thirds of what a normal cue is worth, while a bipolar cue is probably worth less than half of what a normal cue is worth.

Yeah tell me about it.. I once had a Meucci that thought it was a Palmer.

JV

 

[Fatboy]

Another thread got me thinking

How much do these different issues affect value in your personal opinion and how do they affect your personal interest in a cue . Lets assume the cue is about a 5k retail piece.

Structural issue such as a roll in the butt, warped handle, rattle ?

If the structural issue was repaired by the maker does the cue come back to 100% value . What if it was repaired by someone else?


Cosmetic issue dings dents scratches? Refinished by the original maker does the cue come back to 100% value? What if refinished by someone else?


If the maker is deceased what should one do?


What if the cue has shafts less than 13mm or they are stained blue ?


What if a cue is sound both structurally and cosmeticlly but has changed hands several times recently?

thats a whole lot of questions, that would lead to more questions if I attempted to answer them.

EDIT: I re-read this and it seemed kinda smart-assed; its not intended to be that way at all. its a hard set of questions to answer.

As for the $5,000 cue here is my best shot to answere the questions

#1 A cue is worth what some one is willing to pay for it, it can go up or down, depends on the buyer. That means everyone will have a different opinion of its value, when it sells then you you know what you have-until then the true value is a fuzzy number by 10%-30%.

If its had work dont to it by someone else thats not gonna help its value, see #1,

If the cue maker is deceased leaving it alone sometimes is the best plan, retire the cue from day to day play. its value?? See #1.

Structural problems, see #1, buy something else to play with. If you selling it-try and sell it as-is, if you cant then you have to spend more $$$ to sell it, so again its a fuzzy number.

Cosmetic problems if your selling it see #1 if you cant get the right $$$ then having cosmetic stuff fixed will change the value, see #1.


The whole point is, stay away from cues with these problems. There are lots of guys who have made piles of $$$ buying old beat to death Szams, etc and have had them refinished and sold them and done real good. they have the right connections so the refinish isnt costing them much and they flip lots of cues, its a legit biz. But when your talking about one cue its hard to say. If your in the biz then things change. Never deal with a cue with structural problems.

 

[cuesblues]

Cue issues can definitely affect price. I'd say a codependent cue is worth about two-thirds of what a normal cue is worth, while a bipolar cue is probably worth less than half of what a normal cue is worth.

I try to stay away from cues that have seperation anxiety, and cues with an obsessive-compulsive disorder.
What about the value of ADHD cues, or cues in treatment?
Cues that have completed a 28-day residential rehab or a 12-step
program with a sponser, should increase the value unless they relapse.

 

[PoolBum]

Cues that have been on Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew may actually increase in price though.