Opposite eye dominance problem..Huge..........

First of all - Gene wasn't selling anything in his post. He was merely posting information he thought was helpful and offered to help people if they needed it.

Your blanket post might very well hold true for you, but it definitely doesn't hold true for everyone out there. All of these "matter of fact" posts about seeing with your vision's center are horseshit for me (personally) because I've wasted years missing balls without knowing why. Aligning with the center of my vision and then stepping into the shot only equated to me never hitting center ball and missing shots (as well as last second corrections because of the illusion).

I happen to be a strong dominant right eye guy who happens to be cross-dominant while playing - due to my head position/technique. Everything Gene said in his post is 100% true (I made that adjustment long before he made that post).

Degree or not, your optometrist didn't think his answer through at all. How your eyes see at a distance with a strong dominant (and even cross dom on top of it) eye up high at a distance is NOT the same picture / perspective as when you're close-up to the CB. He's not understanding how that affects your perception of center ball. What if your non-dominant eye (like what I have) is forced into a dominant position? your dominant eye forces it's parallax view into the brain and you miss.

If he thinks it doesn't matter, I'll put a Joe Tucker 3rd on at the end of the cue of someone who has this problem and have them close their opposite eye and see if they can make a ball at all.

Another "know-it-all" post by Lou gone wrong as usual.


If you think Geno wasn't selling anything in his OP then you are a babe in the woods.

And, I'm not selling anything door-to-door (unlike Geno) -- I just threw out my own thoughts and, BTW, you seem to be quite the expert on eyeballs -- do you have a degree in optometry, ophthalmology, physiology, or any other pertinent field? Sports Medicine? I asked Geno all those questions when he was in St. Louis and he answered no to each of them.

Soooo, like I said, people will choose to believe whom they choose to believe. And since you believe Geno wasn't selling anything in his OP I'd say your personal credibility got off to a bad start. Have a nice day :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
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Having a constant reference point is the baseline for a good preshot routine. You need the visual feedback to develop a consistent starting point that allows your alignment to be correct.

I'm right handed, right eye dominant which is not what this thread is addressing. But, I still had a cross dominance problem due to an inconsistent preshot routine. I would let my left eye see the shot by coming into it from the right and unknowingly let it become dominant. After finding the true dominant eye, I understood I had to be on the left side of the cue ball to initially start my preshot routine and gain the correct visual information.

If you have a dominant eye, you should know how to keep it dominant. You can shoot using either eye, but your consistency will be changing from day to day. You will miss an easy shot after pocketing several hard shots and not get out. Your slumps will be frustrating because you will be looking for an answer in all the wrong places like your stroke, grip, etc. Give your eyes the correct information and your physical problems will start to disappear.

Some players use both eyes and play at a high level. This is not so common and most are lumped into having one eye more dominant than the other. Once discovered, you can put it to your advantage and quiet the pool brain form getting mixed visual signals. You will allow the mind to get into the correct routine for aiming by giving it a consistent starting point. You remove the variables and get down to business.

An example is when you're in batting practice and the pitcher is grooving slower fastballs into your hitting zone. Your brain is in a comfortable routine and you hit like Pujols. No guess work. In the game, the pitcher is changing this routine and keeping you off balance. He may even throw at your head if his pitch sequence isn't working with you. The point is, why not give yourself that batting practice way of routinely setting up for each shot. Don't make your subconscious mind work to compensate for your visual shortcomings and steer your stroke for you. Learn to set up visually correct from the start and let your body do the rest naturally. You don't need to make your mind guess on each shot how to adjust for a poor alignment. Knowing which eye is dominant for most is a key step to being more consistent.

Best,
Mike
 
(pssst, PP, pass the word to Spider :-)

Lou Figueroa

Here's some more reading for your doctor on how dominant eyes affect sport motions (such as putting or, er, addressing the CB):
http://www.better-golf-by-putting-better.com/aiming-your-putterface.html

Why do you have a problem with Gene selling ANYTHING? It is wrong that he make a living in the sport he loves? Do you think he hasn't helped anyone? What makes you the forum police on what he can/cannot post?

You posting some BS post about your nit doctor when the ENTIRE INTERNET (countless sports doctors) state the opposite is laughable.

If you know so much about how your eyes affect your pool game and if you think Gene is a charlatan, you should play him some.
 
Here's some more reading for your doctor on how dominant eyes affect sport motions (such as putting or, er, addressing the CB):
http://www.better-golf-by-putting-better.com/aiming-your-putterface.html

Why do you have a problem with Gene selling ANYTHING? It is wrong that he make a living in the sport he loves? Do you think he hasn't helped anyone? What makes you the forum police on what he can/cannot post?

You posting some BS post about your nit doctor when the ENTIRE INTERNET (countless sports doctors) state the opposite is laughable.

If you know so much about how your eyes affect your pool game and if you think Gene is a charlatan, you should play him some.


I don't have a problem with people selling stuff (can I interest you in some $25 chalk :-) And he can and will post whatever (and however much) the mods are willing to tolerate.

Just as a sidenote: you calling my doctor a "nit" just shows the level of sophistication you exist at. Suggesting I play Geno -- as if that would prove something about anything -- is also a telling. I think I can safely assume you are not a product of a Jesuit education ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 
Well, yeah, I have thought a lot about this.

So I went to get my yearly eye exam early this year. I've been going to the same optometrist (you know, a guy who actually has a degree on stuff about how you see ;-) for many years now. I've been wearing glasses since the third grade and this guy is the best eye doc I've ever been too. For the last ten years or so, he's been correcting a set of contact lens for me, specifically for pool. He was willing to work with me, let me try out various lens, until we got a pair that was just right. What he's done is corrected my vision for the three to ten foot range and it is great. I see the balls in HD.

So anyway I asked him if he could tell which of my eyes was dominant and he tells me (you got it wrong BTW so, no, you didn't "help" me with squadoosh) and then I asked if he felt if it would be important for me to shoot favoring one eye or the other and he said no, he didn't think so -- that that wasn't the way eyes worked. What was more important was to give your eyes the same view each time so your brain had a constant reference point

My own "view" is that the mechanics of your stroke are far more important than actually seeing the ball, favoring one eye or the the other. As has been previously said: it is more important to give yourself a consistent view. (After all, who among us has not done the setup, close your eyes, and shoot experiment?) If my optimal stroke puts the cue under my not dominant eye, but it allows me to accurately put the ball in the pocket, gives me good speed control with the cue ball, why wouldn't that be more important than just about anything else? It is, IMO, the set up that allows precise delivery of the cue, that should be your default setting, dominant eye be dammed.

Having said all that, I know you're not going to give up selling what you're selling, so I'm not interested in an endless exchange over this (I have the CTErs for that :-) People will believe whom they choose to believe.

Lou Figueroa



I so agree wi u Lou. Steve Davis was observing some lesser players arguing about how to make a shot and what to "put on it" to get it to go easier. Finally someone got smart and asked him which is it. He says no no no no. You set it up and hit it 500 times and then you will know how to hit it each and every time this comes up.....Yesterday I wanted to learn every word to two songs, because this is my hobby and mental excercise. I went to you tube and listened to them over and over and over. Now I know every lyric to the songs River Deep Mountain High, and The David Allan Coe underground song called Rails. I don't sing in public and never will but I do in my mind.

Keep practicing relentlessly untill you get revelation knowledge. It will come to you. One day you will notice you must keep your head still. One day you will realize, oh god I really need relaxed muscles all throughout my body to strike the cue ball acurately. One day you discover you are swaying a bit. One day you find your bridge hand is moving or you are picking it up too fast. No matter how much people instruct you, you got to get the revealed knowledge for yourself. You got to be willing to give up what you thought was right the moment you discover otherwise, no matter how long you been doing it. And you have to put in the hours. Otherwise you still can't perform cause the hours on the table give you the confidence.....
 
How sad Lou

Well, yeah, I have thought a lot about this.

So I went to get my yearly eye exam early this year. I've been going to the same optometrist (you know, a guy who actually has a degree on stuff about how you see ;-) for many years now. I've been wearing glasses since the third grade and this guy is the best eye doc I've ever been too. For the last ten years or so, he's been correcting a set of contact lens for me, specifically for pool. He was willing to work with me, let me try out various lens, until we got a pair that was just right. What he's done is corrected my vision for the three to ten foot range and it is great. I see the balls in HD.

So anyway I asked him if he could tell which of my eyes was dominant and he tells me (you got it wrong BTW so, no, you didn't "help" me with squadoosh) and then I asked if he felt if it would be important for me to shoot favoring one eye or the other and he said no, he didn't think so -- that that wasn't the way eyes worked. What was more important was to give your eyes the same view each time so your brain had a constant reference point

My own "view" is that the mechanics of your stroke are far more important than actually seeing the ball, favoring one eye or the the other. As has been previously said: it is more important to give yourself a consistent view. (After all, who among us has not done the setup, close your eyes, and shoot experiment?) If my optimal stroke puts the cue under my not dominant eye, but it allows me to accurately put the ball in the pocket, gives me good speed control with the cue ball, why wouldn't that be more important than just about anything else? It is, IMO, the set up that allows precise delivery of the cue, that should be your default setting, dominant eye be dammed.

Having said all that, I know you're not going to give up selling what you're selling, so I'm not interested in an endless exchange over this (I have the CTErs for that :-) People will believe whom they choose to believe.

Lou Figueroa

I really feel bad for you Lou,

Your pool shooting dominant eye you can see for yourself when you move your head back and forth. You saw it for yourself and I know your smart enough to get down on the shot and see which way looks the best when you shoot.

You can still shoot with the other eye in the dominant position but it just doesn't look quite as good.

50% at least pass all normal eye dominance tests saying they are one certain eye dominant only to find out that when they get down to shot they are using the other.

This isn't rocket science Lou and it's real easy to see for yourself as you did.

I guess I have to believe you really did ask the eye doctor but you need to have him see your eyes when your down on that pool shot. That's what matters.

Our own Spidey is one of hindreds of these players that pass every test that said he is right eye dominant only to find out when down on a pool shot he is left eye dominant. It looks real bad when he would move the right eye into the dominant position on a pool shot if that is not the working pool shooting dominant eye. .

I don't just tell players this, I show them how they can see it for themselves as we did. One way looks bad and the other way look good.

Not too tough.

Lou, argueing with you is like saying my dad can beat up yours. Nobody can win.

I do feel bad that maybe one or 2 players migh tbe detered, and I said might,learning and understanding what I'm teaching and in turn missing out on understanding and improving their pool game more than ever before.

I gave 2 lessons over the phone last night. One said he was going to post his results on here. Seeing is believing. Can't wait.

And lou I also wish I could have worked with you a little bit in St Loius other than just trying to help you find your dominant eye but I usually give up on someone when they constantly say it's red when it's green or vise versa. You just seemed to want to argue about everything.

I didn't show you too much because I was trying to give you a lesson.I didn't know you were the Lou here on the site or I might have spent some extra time with you so you could understand more.

Now you turned the only positive maybe into a negative. Your batting 1000 now.

I gave up no you a long time ago. Sorry Lou but i don't think you will ever learn how Perfect Aim works but that's OK.

Have a great day geno...........
 
Seeing is believing..........

So you're saying that Gene just made this whole thing up out of thin air? I'm not an expert, and I would lean towards believing an optometrist over a pool player.

Hi there,

If you want give me a call. It's pretty simple to figure this out. I can help you see it for yourself in about 10 minutes on the phone.

Once you go through the little test that I show you how to do when your down on the shot you can see for yourself.

Give me a call. Seeing is believing especially seeing it with your own eyes.

715-563-8712. Look forward to talking with you.

I'll even help you a little with Perfect Aim itself. Once you know the pool shooting dominant eye this will all make sense.

This is why I need to find it.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink...........
 
I really feel bad for you Lou,

Your pool shooting dominant eye you can see for yourself when you move your head back and forth. You saw it for yourself and I know your smart enough to get down on the shot and see which way looks the best when you shoot.

You can still shoot with the other eye in the dominant position but it just doesn't look quite as good.

50% at least pass all normal eye dominance tests saying they are one certain eye dominant only to find out that when they get down to shot they are using the other.

This isn't rocket science Lou and it's real easy to see for yourself as you did.

I guess I have to believe you really did ask the eye doctor but you need to have him see your eyes when your down on that pool shot. That's what matters.

Our own Spidey is one of hindreds of these players that pass every test that said he is right eye dominant only to find out when down on a pool shot he is left eye dominant. It looks real bad when he would move the right eye into the dominant position on a pool shot if that is not the working pool shooting dominant eye. .

I don't just tell players this, I show them how they can see it for themselves as we did. One way looks bad and the other way look good.

Not too tough.

Lou, argueing with you is like saying my dad can beat up yours. Nobody can win.

I do feel bad that maybe one or 2 players migh tbe detered, and I said might,learning and understanding what I'm teaching and in turn missing out on understanding and improving their pool game more than ever before.

I gave 2 lessons over the phone last night. One said he was going to post his results on here. Seeing is believing. Can't wait.

And lou I also wish I could have worked with you a little bit in St Loius other than just trying to help you find your dominant eye but I usually give up on someone when they constantly say it's red when it's green or vise versa. You just seemed to want to argue about everything.

I didn't show you too much because I was trying to give you a lesson.I didn't know you were the Lou here on the site or I might have spent some extra time with you so you could understand more.

Now you turned the only positive maybe into a negative. Your batting 1000 now.

I gave up no you a long time ago. Sorry Lou but i don't think you will ever learn how Perfect Aim works but that's OK.

Have a great day geno...........


Well, OK. I'm sorry you feel sorry for me. I hope you can manage to get over it. (Personally, I'm not feeling too good about you either, but in my case, I'm already over it.)

But just for the record: what actually happened here in St. Louis was pretty obvious -- you were trying to get me to sign up for a lesson and I wasn't buying it. You did the thing with the foam balls and then threw out a lot of stinky bait. No biggie. You can't sell a boy's marching band in every town, I guess.

Lou Figueroa
 
You'll never know I guess.

Well, OK. I'm sorry you feel sorry for me. I hope you can manage to get over it. (Personally, I'm not feeling too good about you either, but in my case, I'm already over it.)

But just for the record: what actually happened here in St. Louis was pretty obvious -- you were trying to get me to sign up for a lesson and I wasn't buying it. You did the thing with the foam balls and then threw out a lot of stinky bait. No biggie. You can't sell a boy's marching band in every town, I guess.

Lou Figueroa

I really wish I could have spent more time with you Lou. If I would have known you were the Lou on here I would have.

As much as you try to kick in the head what I teach without totally knowing it, It would be huge the other way if you really understood the hows and whys. .

Someday maybe.

If I ever run into you again I will try to show you. That's a promise.



Have a great day geno......
 
I really wish I could have spent more time with you Lou. If I would have known you were the Lou on here I would have.

As much as you try to kick in the head what I teach without totally knowing it, It would be huge the other way if you really understood the hows and whys. .

Someday maybe.

If I ever run into you again I will try to show you. That's a promise.



Have a great day geno......


I dan't know. You watched me run off two or three racks of straight pool, said "nice shooting" and I said, "Hey, are you Geno?" (I'm not always real swift, but the "Perfect Aim" logo on your red Polo shirt helped me figure it out.) AND THEN I said, "I'm Lou Figueroa from the groups." I think I even mentioned how skeptical I was and why.

Anyway, I thought you were headed back thisaway in the near future. Always happy to talk stuff in person.

Lou Figueroa
 
You got it.

I dan't know. You watched me run off two or three racks of straight pool, said "nice shooting" and I said, "Hey, are you Geno?" (I'm not always real swift, but the "Perfect Aim" logo on your red Polo shirt helped me figure it out.) AND THEN I said, "I'm Lou Figueroa from the groups." I think I even mentioned how skeptical I was and why.

Anyway, I thought you were headed back thisaway in the near future. Always happy to talk stuff in person.

Lou Figueroa

Hi there Lou,

i really didn't know. Or didn't put 2 and 2 together.

I'll let you know for sure when I'm back down there.

It might be soon and it might be a few months.

Have a great day geno............
 
I can change my dominant eye at will. I play righty, my dominant eye is my right eye. as i mentioned i can change my dominant at will pretty easily with very little conscience thought. i have made myself shoot with my left eye to see if i could determine a difference. at first i couldnt pot very well at all but after 15 20 minutes of continuous use of my left eye, my brain just adjusted and i was potting balls equally as well as do naturally with my right eye.(still not that well hahaha) i saw no difference.
If you ask me, it's what the brain is doing with the information you see. it is not the eye it is coming from. I think i saw this on an old Bill Nye the science guy. they took a quarterback throwing a simple pass to a reciever running a simple patter 15-20 yards away. he hit the reciever every time. then they put a pair of goggles on him that shifted is field of view to left 20 deg. he missed every pass for 10 - 15 minutes by about the same amount and then poof!! magically his brain compensated for the shift and he started hitting the reciever every time.

ummm...... can anyone else aware of it change their dominant eye too??
 
Hi there,

If you want give me a call. It's pretty simple to figure this out. I can help you see it for yourself in about 10 minutes on the phone.

Once you go through the little test that I show you how to do when your down on the shot you can see for yourself.

Give me a call. Seeing is believing especially seeing it with your own eyes.

715-563-8712. Look forward to talking with you.

I'll even help you a little with Perfect Aim itself. Once you know the pool shooting dominant eye this will all make sense.

This is why I need to find it.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink...........



testing 777&&&&&&&&&&&&&
 
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I can change my dominant eye at will. I play righty, my dominant eye is my right eye. as i mentioned i can change my dominant at will pretty easily with very little conscience thought. i have made myself shoot with my left eye to see if i could determine a difference. at first i couldnt pot very well at all but after 15 20 minutes of continuous use of my left eye, my brain just adjusted and i was potting balls equally as well as do naturally with my right eye.(still not that well hahaha) i saw no difference.
If you ask me, it's what the brain is doing with the information you see. it is not the eye it is coming from. I think i saw this on an old Bill Nye the science guy. they took a quarterback throwing a simple pass to a reciever running a simple patter 15-20 yards away. he hit the reciever every time. then they put a pair of goggles on him that shifted is field of view to left 20 deg. he missed every pass for 10 - 15 minutes by about the same amount and then poof!! magically his brain compensated for the shift and he started hitting the reciever every time.

ummm...... can anyone else aware of it change their dominant eye too??

I can switch my dominant eye with a small amount of concentration and a slight head movement. The problem is my body will revert back to a more natural alignment, without me knowing it, to use my dominant eye. I have to concentrate to keep the other eye dominant.

Before I knew about my dominant eye, the other eye would try to aim certain shots and I would drive balls into the rail for no apparent reason. I didn't realize I was doing it. I would never miss for hours and then start dogging balls. On the bad days where the non-dominant eye was taking over the aiming chores off and on every few shots, I tried to steer balls unconconsciously. After establishing the correct aiming alignment with my dominant eye, almost all of my inconsistent stroke problems disappeared.

Best,
Mike
 
I'm not to concerned with the naysayers for this system, but I do know that Gene helped me. I would consistently be hitting cut shots to the right and my only solution was to "try to hit it to thin." Now when I get down on my shots I'm seeing them much better than before and can just aim without having to purposely trying to miss my aim point.

Honestly, if other people don't like it, whatever. I just know that it seems to have helped my game....and it was free!
 
Interesting Stuff

I can switch my dominant eye with a small amount of concentration and a slight head movement. The problem is my body will revert back to a more natural alignment, without me knowing it, to use my dominant eye. I have to concentrate to keep the other eye dominant.

Before I knew about my dominant eye, the other eye would try to aim certain shots and I would drive balls into the rail for no apparent reason. I didn't realize I was doing it. I would never miss for hours and then start dogging balls. On the bad days where the non-dominant eye was taking over the aiming chores off and on every few shots, I tried to steer balls unconconsciously. After establishing the correct aiming alignment with my dominant eye, almost all of my inconsistent stroke problems disappeared.

Best,
Mike

Ive messaged Geno a time or two and he certainly has been nice to me even though I am selling a pool book. I think some of what he is talking about is quiet interesting and may be a key of some of the reasons we play badly when we are tired. Maybe your visual deficiency when tired is something you can learn to control if you know what your eyes are doing.
Im left eye dominant and right handed. When Ive had rest Im spot on with aiming but let me get real tired and it seems to be the eyes that give problems. Id like to try and see if I could get my right eye to do some more of the work. Ive noticed that if Im squared up right I have fewer problems but get a smidge out of proper stance and it seems like youre fighting to get lined back up right. Ive had days I felt like on distant left cuts I was a touch out of line all day.
Im open to hearing what the man has to say sounds interesting to me.

336Robin :thumbup:

Robin Kelly
 
Ive messaged Geno a time or two and he certainly has been nice to me even though I am selling a pool book. I think some of what he is talking about is quiet interesting and may be a key of some of the reasons we play badly when we are tired. Maybe your visual deficiency when tired is something you can learn to control if you know what your eyes are doing.
Im left eye dominant and right handed. When Ive had rest Im spot on with aiming but let me get real tired and it seems to be the eyes that give problems. Id like to try and see if I could get my right eye to do some more of the work. Ive noticed that if Im squared up right I have fewer problems but get a smidge out of proper stance and it seems like youre fighting to get lined back up right. Ive had days I felt like on distant left cuts I was a touch out of line all day.
Im open to hearing what the man has to say sounds interesting to me.

336Robin :thumbup:

Robin Kelly


$80 and he's your Huckleberry.

Lou Figueroa
 
Switching eye dominance at will

I can change my dominant eye at will. I play righty, my dominant eye is my right eye. as i mentioned i can change my dominant at will pretty easily with very little conscience thought. i have made myself shoot with my left eye to see if i could determine a difference. at first i couldnt pot very well at all but after 15 20 minutes of continuous use of my left eye, my brain just adjusted and i was potting balls equally as well as do naturally with my right eye.(still not that well hahaha) i saw no difference.
If you ask me, it's what the brain is doing with the information you see. it is not the eye it is coming from. I think i saw this on an old Bill Nye the science guy. they took a quarterback throwing a simple pass to a reciever running a simple patter 15-20 yards away. he hit the reciever every time. then they put a pair of goggles on him that shifted is field of view to left 20 deg. he missed every pass for 10 - 15 minutes by about the same amount and then poof!! magically his brain compensated for the shift and he started hitting the reciever every time.

ummm...... can anyone else aware of it change their dominant eye too??

Jersey jer:

I concur, and to answer your question, I can. (Change "dominant" eye at will, that is.) The idea that one eye is "permanently" dominant -- for "all activities" -- is a misnomer. Because of the way the eyes attach to the brain -- via a single, dedicated optic nerve canal that connects that eye to that side of the body's brain hemisphere (i.e. left eye to left hemisphere, right eye to the right hemisphere), the "strengths" of each eye actually follow the "strengths" in each side's brain hemisphere.

For example, one may find (as I do) that one eye is great for close-up work -- e.g. reading very fine print -- so you either close the other eye, or else just mentally discard the optic picture that that other eye is feeding the brain. My left eye is like this -- I find I prefer my left eye when reading very fine print (my right eye has problems focusing at short distances, unless I stare at the fine print for a good period of time, and it gradually comes into focus). However, your other eye (which you may "think" is your weaker eye) has its own strengths. For me, the right eye is better at panoramic stuff and making out things at long distances. I used to shoot rifle competitively, and although I can bench-shoot with either hand (it's not a physical preference thing), I prefer shooting righthanded because I can use my right eye for aiming -- which resolves long distance targets better than my left eye.

Maybe my situation is unique; I don't know. But the point is that it's not my eyes themselves doing this, but my brain.

I find that if I force my "other" eye (whether that be my left eye for rifle aiming or my right eye for reading fine print), I find that I can, after a brief time.

It's roughly analogous to having a cold with sinus congestion. You know when you're laying in bed, and one nostril is completely blocked, but if you lay on your opposite side (with your head laying on the pillow with the congested nostril "on top"), after a period of time, the congestion will eventually follow gravity and "shift" to the other nostril? The point is time; after a period of time, your brain adapts, and is able to shift focus / ability to the other side. I forget the medical term for it, but it's the same thing that happens when someone sustains a brain injury, and the brain rewires itself to compensate. Suddenly the person starts experiencing strengths and talents in different situations that are opposite from before the injury.

There's a great article about this in the Oxford Medical Journals:

http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/125/9/2023.full

It's a heady read, but for those looking for detailed answers, this is an... forgive the pun... eye-opening article.

Hope this is helpful,
-Sean <-- seems to recall discussing this topic before...
 
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