Cte

[JB Cases]

Neil, why do people, who, by their own admission, couldn't tell you the difference between a secant and a centroid, believe their assertions are correct against the admonitions of those who do know geometry, a few of which teach university level courses in engineering/physics? Why do the proponents continue to see themselves as budding Galileos persecuted by The Inquisition, when in fact they're doing a much better imitation of Simplicio? Why do they not take the hint and stop with the false claims?

Eternal mysteries.

Jim

Because it's the people who could make fire without understanding it on the atomic level who made it possible for universities to exist. Phenomena exists and it's your job to explain it and figure it out.

What claims are false?

I have tried CTE for just about every type of shot on the table and have not found one yet where I can't use it. Maybe you can diagram some shots where the object ball is to be shot directly into a pocket which you think CTE cannot be used and I will shoot them using CTE on video.

Two days ago I did a video demonstration for my friend and he told me where to put the balls and I did and proved that each shot wanted to see could be made with CTE.

So again, what claims are false?

 

[NewStroke]

I have tried CTE for just about every type of shot on the table and have not found one yet where I can't use it. Maybe you can diagram some shots where the object ball is to be shot directly into a pocket which you think CTE cannot be used and I will shoot them using CTE on video.

Two days ago I did a video demonstration for my friend and he told me where to put the balls and I did and proved that each shot wanted to see could be made with CTE.

So again, what claims are false?

RandyG taught me how to use this on banks and kicks. Still working on kicks but accurracy is better. My banks are rockin!

 

[jamesroberts]

this is all i can say is this about the cte/pro one aiming systam and stan's lessons. i play with a guy here in atlanta who shoots lights out. i don't want to use his name because i don't know how he'd feel about that. he already plays lights out. plays in pro and open events. has multiple runs well over a hundred in 14.1, regularly busts packs in 8, 9, and 10 ball, and went to see stan two weeks ago and took a weekend lesson. he is currently working to digest and practice everything stan taught him. will the aiming system be the end all be all for him? my guess no. but like the op said, my friend is taking the knowledge and incorporating it into his game and i have no doubt it will make him better.
he tried to show me one shot that the pro one instantly helped him with and i could see his enthusiasm. when he tried to explain to me what he was doing it was hard to grasp in just a few minutes, but i could tell it opened some door for him. i think a large percent of people are bashing pro one/cte because some on the forum are treating it like an end game solution. use it and you will be the greatest ever / don't use it and never win again or the other side, it's all garbage. i think if every one relaxed and didn't speak in terms of absolutes these threads would be more useful and productive. the aiming system can make you better (hell any aiming system will help if you're not using any), but if you are just a terrible player or to closed minded to try something new, nothing will help.

i think maybe this guy you are talking about and me prolly play really close and i feel exactly like he does about cte, or at least how you expressed it

 

[JB Cases]

The 'Mouth from the South'. I was wondering when you might show up. Love the blue font, by-the-way.
You know what is so glaringly obvious about your and JB's enthusiasim over this CTE nonsense? It's the fact that you are both businessmen in an industry that to most of us is only a hobby. It wouldn't take an even half bright detective to figure out that the both of you have vested interests in the subject.
Regardless. Why don't you follow your friend over there, to that happy place where you can practice your pseudo-science in peace, and perhaps profit a little along the way.

We have vested interests in what? Promoting something that everyone can have for free?

Yeah, Joey and I are going to get RICH off CTE for sure. BTW Joey is not in the industry. He is good amateur player who has been invited to commentate a few times.

How about Dave Segal though? He has ZERO financial gain and has invested a lot of time promoting CTE.

Again your ignorance and defaming baseless accusations are phenomenal.

 

[Tramp Steamer]

Well you are more than welcome to try me some and see how you do. Just tell me where I can find you. Your "friend" JR Hendy has the same challenge to Joey and Neil and probably to me too if I engaged him so I will give you the same offer.

Let's play some and see who quits.

I will take a flyer that you are as ignorant as you seem to be about pool and pool players.

if you're hustling us all then I will take one for the team.

You never fully grew up, did you JB. Your post(s) reminds me of recess in the third grade.
I have no desire to play you, and as a matter of fact, I have no desire to ever meet you. You are someone I don't think I'd enjoy being around.

 

[duckie]

Because it's the people who could make fire without understanding it on the atomic level who made it possible for universities to exist. Phenomena exists and it's your job to explain it and figure it out.

What claims are false?

I have tried CTE for just about every type of shot on the table and have not found one yet where I can't use it. Maybe you can diagram some shots where the object ball is to be shot directly into a pocket which you think CTE cannot be used and I will shoot them using CTE on video.

Two days ago I did a video demonstration for my friend and he told me where to put the balls and I did and proved that each shot wanted to see could be made with CTE.

So again, what claims are false?

How bout a one handed shot or behind the back shot?

or how bout this, go on set it up on a 9 ft table just as they are, do the video and post it. Either put up or shut up.

 

[jamesroberts]

James,

This will make sense to you. Using CTE I went from being a one pocket sellout to someone who can spot better 9 ball players in one pocket. The other day I was giving up 11:8 and my opponent got to 7 and I needed 12 and I beat him. The reason I beat him was because of the shots I was able to make using CTE to aim. Shots that I would normally dog in one pocket, especially under that pressure.

Now in 9 ball I can almost hold my own playing even against players who gave me weight a few months ago.

And in the past two months I have taken down two good scores with one of them being a complete demolition of a player who previous beat me.

I haven't played any tournaments since mastering CTE so I can't give you results there.

thanks JB , I know we have had our differences of opinion on things in the past. But I hold no grudge or will and an opinion is just my perception of an issue with the knowledge I have acquired, so opinions change as we grow and mature.

The reason I asked this question is not cuz I wanted to start a shit storm but to simply find out how much improvement actual people on here have made. I watched 20 or 30 mins of the dvd and already hit a couple shots that I was 60% with and shaky at that , now I'm hittin 95% and my whole mind set has changed towards those shots.

All you guys that come on here that talk about composure and heart and all these contributors, Ill tell you the one thing you have to have to be a champion , CONFIDENCE, it starts and finishes there.

 

[drpjr]

Hey Tramp Im not trying to start any problems but the thread was started by someone who wanted info on how people who use cte advanced. If you dont use cte you should stay out of it if not your just asking to be messed with...... of coarse you dont want to meet JB you dont respect him no big deal if you didnt post in this thread you wouldnt have to even talk through az with him....and unfortunately this all has nothing to do with the original post!!

 

[JB Cases]

You never fully grew up, did you JB. Your post(s) reminds me of recess in the third grade.
I have no desire to play you, and as a matter of fact, I have no desire to ever meet you. You are someone I don't think I'd enjoy being around.

If you are an example of being a grownup then no I am not like you. Let's see, James asked for experiences of other CTE users and you jumped in to not only denigrate CTE users but also to insult James' ability along the way. You know nothing of James' speed but you took it upon yourself to speculate ignorantly anyway.

So save it. If you can't take being insulted then don't insult anyone. You think you can make snide remarks here and get away with it with no rebuttal?

Try that on some other forum, won't work here. As for not wanting to meet me trust me I won't lose a bit of sleep over that. I had no great expectation that you would step up and be willing to play some anyway.

Just another anonymous, ignorant keyboard warrior. Hendy said the humor is missing in these threads. You apparently forgot yours somewhere along the way as well. I'd advise you to stick to softer topics. If Smorgassbored were still with us he would show you how it's done to make fun of a topic and have everyone laughing.

I thought you might be something like him but he could give you the rainbow and the breaks in that department and be flat stealing.

See ya' Mr. Steamer. I presume that's how you prefer to be called being such an adult and all.

 

[jamesroberts]

I'm realy not interested in how well James plays, but for the sake of argument, Brandon, how would you rate James's play?
Around my parts we tend to rate players by 'speed'. A new guy might be a one or two speed, where as a good shortstop might be a nine or a ten. It kind of depends on who's telling the story.
Now if you were of the opinion that our friend James was at the upper level, say eight, nine, or even ten, then you've only helped with my contention.
Players who have gotten this far do not need an aiming system. It will not take them over the top. All they need at these levels is courage and conviction, or as my good friend jr so eloquently said. "Heart."

Im not here to talk about how good I play, there are plenty of videos on ustream, just search my name, If there is any question if its me or not, Im the tallest guy playing in the match. I have finished inside the top 10 on the seminole tour 3 years in a row

Im gonna be a little cocky and tell you how I feel and why I spent $45 to buy the dvd, I play in a lot of the bigger events, I played in the IPT, I play in the smaller regional events. I always play Corey, Stevie, Johnny, Donny etc and I usually gamble with this caliber player, usually 50-300 set and the only one I have gotten weight from was Donny, when I play these guys, they dont do anything that I cannot do on a pool table. I break just as well, maybe better in some cases, I pocket balls just as well etc ..you get the idea

I believe the difference between me and them, lets say top 20 players in america is they are much more consistent, I have a tendency to miss certain shots, and I dont believe its a pressure thing, I think for whatever reason all the practicing and playing and expierience has gotten me to a plateau, sure I have moments where I torture archer or corey donny in a tourney but my next match i dont bring that same consistency. So that is my purpose, to play to my potential

 

[firemankc]

New to CTE

First of all I've never had an aiming system, or used the ghost ball system. I've always used feel on all my shots, I shoot fast and just get down and shoot. I really don't look at a spot or line up anything. Most people tell me that I am using Rote. I really don't know what I do. I am not a top player just above average. I gamble at one pocket, can't play anything else. Going on 67. When people ask me what I look at when I'm aiming, I tell them I don't know, because I don't. I bought the DVD for CTE and I can say my game has imporved alot since using it. I have not gone to the pro 1 yet because I'm still working on the first part and trying to get that done. It's working for me because I now have a reference point and something to aim at with CTE. It also gives me confidence when shooting.
Will it ever make me a Champion? Hell no, but it is giving me new look on shooting pool and making it fun again. John Hendy I'm coming to Vegas 5/13/11 to 5/17/11. Hope we can play some one hole. Casey

 

[dardusm]

I'm realy not interested in how well James plays, but for the sake of argument, Brandon, how would you rate James's play?
Around my parts we tend to rate players by 'speed'. A new guy might be a one or two speed, where as a good shortstop might be a nine or a ten. It kind of depends on who's telling the story.
Now if you were of the opinion that our friend James was at the upper level, say eight, nine, or even ten, then you've only helped with my contention.
Players who have gotten this far do not need an aiming system. It will not take them over the top. All they need at these levels is courage and conviction, or as my good friend jr so eloquently said. "Heart."

This is pretty basic so I'm sure that you and everyone that plays this great game knows this but it seems pertinent to your quote. When a player begins this game and starts learning good fundamentals, etc. their game really improves at a drastic rate. After that initial improvement, then it becomes tougher to make the jump to new levels. There are small improvements such as learning a new kicking system, playing many tournaments, etc over longer periods of time.

The point is if CTE helps in anyway then it can be a step towards improvement. I took lessons from Stan last year and learned CTE. Before taking the lessons, I never bothered with the CTE threads. I took the lesson with an open mind. IMO, the system works and puts the player into a good position to make the shot. With that said, I haven't incorporated CTE fully into my game but do use it on certain shots that I have trouble "seeing". CTE is a tool that can be used. If it works for you great but if not then fine. I'm just not sure why all the negativity around CTE or is it really just about certain advocates of the system?

 

[JB Cases]

How bout a one handed shot or behind the back shot?

or how bout this, go on set it up on a 9 ft table just as they are, do the video and post it. Either put up or shut up.

NO problem. What make you think CTE can't be use to line up this shot?

What are we betting? Since you say PUT UP? When I do it will you admit you're wrong?

As for behind the back shots you can use CTE for those too, but beyond that no one is forcing you to play any shot behind the back, they make bridges for shots like that.

I taught myself to play opposite handed so now I can play that way, with a bridge, behind the back, with CTE, with GB, use the lights, spot on the wall, double the rail, BHE, stroke over the top, shoot through the ball, sight the rail, etc......all weapons I have at my disposal when I play.

So IF I were to come up against a shot in a game situation where I could not aim it using CTE then I can always go back to Ghost Ball. And IF I can't use GB then I can always go back to pure feel and guessing.

You on the other hand can never use CTE for any shot because you are so dead set against it. So YOU will never be able to make an ON TOPIC post in a thread like this one which is asking CTE users about their improvement. YOU can only serve as a tool to hijack it and further your agenda.

So again, do you want to bet something or not? I will set up your shot and shoot it in (if the shot is possible) using CTE. If I do it then you leave the forums for a month. If I don't succeed then I will leave. On video within 24 hours from now. Bet?

 

[Banks]

It's my honest opinion that a lot of really good players do CTE naturally without knowing it. Bangers stick with GB and so for them it's a tough transition to what good players have naturally evolved to.

HA! Ha.. haha.. HAHAHAHA!!

Oh, that's too good.

Now it isn't enough that you're now a shortstop because of CTE, but now pros use CTE without knowing it! HAHAHA! You're a riot. Keep us informed on when Jesus finds salvation in you.

Let's hear from Newstroke.. when he last posted his skill level, he was an APA 4 or 5. How's that 7 rating doing now? Or are you still the same? After all, you should have maxed out by now, since even a 7 is a B player. Can't wait to be auto-logged out so I can see his reply.

People wouldn't make fun of you if you didn't throw these dumbass claims up in the air..

 

[NewStroke]

HA! Ha.. haha.. HAHAHAHA!!

Oh, that's too good.

Now it isn't enough that you're now a shortstop because of CTE, but now pros use CTE without knowing it! HAHAHA! You're a riot. Keep us informed on when Jesus finds salvation in you.

Let's hear from Newstroke.. when he last posted his skill level, he was an APA 4 or 5. How's that 7 rating doing now? Or are you still the same? After all, you should have maxed out by now, since even a 7 is a B player. Can't wait to be auto-logged out so I can see his reply.

People wouldn't make fun of you if you didn't throw these dumbass claims up in the air..

I don't play APA, but I am handicapped as an A player in our BCA tourneys. Either way, I'd play you with full confidence. Hope this helps.

 

[JB Cases]

HA! Ha.. haha.. HAHAHAHA!!

Oh, that's too good.

Now it isn't enough that you're now a shortstop because of CTE, but now pros use CTE without knowing it! HAHAHA! You're a riot. Keep us informed on when Jesus finds salvation in you.

Let's hear from Newstroke.. when he last posted his skill level, he was an APA 4 or 5. How's that 7 rating doing now? Or are you still the same? After all, you should have maxed out by now, since even a 7 is a B player. Can't wait to be auto-logged out so I can see his reply.

People wouldn't make fun of you if you didn't throw these dumbass claims up in the air..

Listen (insert proper noun here).......... I said it's my OPINION. That's not a "claim".

For someone who can't stand CTE you sure do seem to get a kick out of jumping into all these threads.

My OPINION is based on watching the pros and paying close attention to their body motions as they get into the shot. The WAY that a lot of pros do is is SIMILAR to the way a CTE user gets into to the shot. Therefore it is my OPINION that MAYBE some pros end up aiming in a similar fashion as CTE as a natural evolution.

I don't know that of course and can't know it without some serious research. However I am certain that I have spent more time studying the pro form with this subject in mind than you have.

So sincerely, *&^% off.

Not that you care but you could try to be ON TOPIC. However since you can't use CTE you couldn't possibly be on topic and post in this thread could you? So instead you choose to stalk me further.

For someone who claims to hate all the CTE threads you sure do your part to keep them going. Clue for you: Every post you make being a knocker will generate another post from a supporter and the threads won't die.

 

[jrt30004]

Thing is that NO CTE advocate ever says that learning it makes you a world beater. We share our enthusiasm like your friend did because it works as advertised for getting the player to the shot line. What you do after your on the ball is what makes or breaks you as a player.

In fact we are CAREFUL to say that it takes practice to get comfortable with it and make it a natural part of your game.

It's only the anti-CTE crowd that says it's garbage and starts trotting out the "why aren't you a champion yet" condescension. And the best part is that they say well then WHO uses it that's good and when we point those players out then they are dismissed as lying shills. But if a pro class player should be reported to say something like "systems are nonsense" then the anti-CTE crowd holds them up as a poster boy. So only one side is being dicks about this. The pro-CTE crowd justs wants to share something that helps them.

What the anti-CTE crowd wants is anybody's guess. Just not to be wrong is my thought.

john, i was by no means trying to attack anyone who feels this system helps them. and given our past i am not trying to start anything between you an i in this thread, i think you are doing a good thing trying to get this info out to the az community. i was only going by what i've read in some of the posts in the cte threads. some who defend it have been a little over zealous in stating some things. i for one believe that pro one, like anything else, when incorporated with a good practice routine, postitve mental attitude and of course hard work can improve a person's game.

 

[Mt. Cheverest]

NO problem. What make you think CTE can't be use to line up this shot?

What are we betting? Since you say PUT UP? When I do it will you admit you're wrong?

As for behind the back shots you can use CTE for those too, but beyond that no one is forcing you to play any shot behind the back, they make bridges for shots like that.

I taught myself to play opposite handed so now I can play that way, with a bridge, behind the back, with CTE, with GB, use the lights, spot on the wall, double the rail, BHE, stroke over the top, shoot through the ball, sight the rail, etc......all weapons I have at my disposal when I play.

So IF I were to come up against a shot in a game situation where I could not aim it using CTE then I can always go back to Ghost Ball. And IF I can't use GB then I can always go back to pure feel and guessing.

You on the other hand can never use CTE for any shot because you are so dead set against it. So YOU will never be able to make an ON TOPIC post in a thread like this one which is asking CTE users about their improvement. YOU can only serve as a tool to hijack it and further your agenda.

So again, do you want to bet something or not? I will set up your shot and shoot it in (if the shot is possible) using CTE. If I do it then you leave the forums for a month. If I don't succeed then I will leave. On video within 24 hours from now. Bet?

He won't bet.

 

[JB Cases]

john, i was by no means trying to attack anyone who feels this system helps them. and given our past i am not trying to start anything between you an i in this thread, i think you are doing a good thing trying to get this info out to the az community. i was only going by what i've read in some of the posts in the cte threads. some who defend it have been a little over zealous in stating some things. i for one believe that pro one, like anything else, when incorporated with a good practice routine, postitve mental attitude and of course hard work can improve a person's game.

I know. I didn't mean to insinuate that you were attacking. I got your point. I only meant to describe why it seems that the the anti-CTE crowd is so rabid. FWIW many of them have been negative about aiming systems for ten years and the animosity goes way back. Now I think that they keep going because it would hurt too much to admit they are wrong. Opinion of course.

 

[jrt30004]

NO problem. What make you think CTE can't be use to line up this shot?

What are we betting? Since you say PUT UP? When I do it will you admit you're wrong?

As for behind the back shots you can use CTE for those too, but beyond that no one is forcing you to play any shot behind the back, they make bridges for shots like that.

I taught myself to play opposite handed so now I can play that way, with a bridge, behind the back, with CTE, with GB, use the lights, spot on the wall, double the rail, BHE, stroke over the top, shoot through the ball, sight the rail, etc......all weapons I have at my disposal when I play.

So IF I were to come up against a shot in a game situation where I could not aim it using CTE then I can always go back to Ghost Ball. And IF I can't use GB then I can always go back to pure feel and guessing.

You on the other hand can never use CTE for any shot because you are so dead set against it. So YOU will never be able to make an ON TOPIC post in a thread like this one which is asking CTE users about their improvement. YOU can only serve as a tool to hijack it and further your agenda.

So again, do you want to bet something or not? I will set up your shot and shoot it in (if the shot is possible) using CTE. If I do it then you leave the forums for a month. If I don't succeed then I will leave. On video within 24 hours from now. Bet?

this is exactly what i was talking about in my first post. having pro one as another weapon in the arsenal seems to be the key to me. not that it's the only thing you use, but one of the many. rep to you john - oops must spread it around before i give it to again, but i would if i could