wrap vs. wrapless
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is it possible to take the wrap off of a cue?
Tiger stack leather wraps -- as close as you can get to wrapless feel on wrapped cues
I agree -- as I mentioned in post #19, I'm in the process of converting all (or most) of my wrapped cues to Tiger stack leather wraps. It's an expensive endeavor (depending on the choice of stack leather wrap style/motif that suits the cue in question), but as TheNewSharkster mentions, it's as close as you can get to a wrapless cue. It does have a bit of "tack" to it (especially when first installed), but after you use it for a bit, it glosses over and becomes closer and closer to a wrapless feel.
-Sean
I agree -- as I mentioned in post #19, I'm in the process of converting all (or most) of my wrapped cues to Tiger stack leather wraps. It's an expensive endeavor (depending on the choice of stack leather wrap style/motif that suits the cue in question), but as TheNewSharkster mentions, it's as close as you can get to a wrapless cue. It does have a bit of "tack" to it (especially when first installed), but after you use it for a bit, it glosses over and becomes closer and closer to a wrapless feel.
-Sean
Sure, but if you do, you'll now you have the exposed "channel" that was cut into the cue's butt specifically for the wrap, and the exposed wood (which, as previously mentioned, may not be the prettiest stuff in the world). And it'll collect dirt very quickly.
A Tiger stack leather wrap (mentioned in post #19) is as close as you can get to a wrapless feel on a wrapped cue, if that's the direction you're looking for? Basically, the cue repair person would remove the old wrap (i.e. linen, plain leather), clean/sand the wrap channel, and then install the stack leather wrap in its place. Highly recommended if you can find someone that has already had this work done, and you can try the cue to see if you like it.
-Sean
All my players are wrapless except for one, which has a smooth black leather wrap by Ariel Carmeli.
My new Prewitt is ordered with an Elephant Ear wrap which I also like.
My new Prewitt is ordered with an Elephant Ear wrap which I also like.
In my personal experience (as a player/instructor, not a cue maker), wrapless cues are not cheaper: there's more costly wood, with or without inlays, visible, and there may be the need for a long one-piece exotic wood blank etc. A linen wrap is comparatively inexpensive, and the wood beneath the wrap section, while it must be good for purpose, need not be beautiful, let alone exotic. So unless it's e.g. a Sneaky Pete that alternatively comes with or without wrap (extra work), there's no reason a wrapless cue should cost less.
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I've had two cue makers each charged my $100 extra for having the cue wrapless instead of wrapped cue. Since this charge is about same as getting the leather wrap on the cue, it was OK with me.
To me its a personal decision that one can only arrive at after years of play. It depends on how U grip and perspire and the interaction between the two. Do you prefer a tackiness to your grip or not?
For I, when I played in many large events and got near the finals, the room humidity changed, my Kirshebrock wrap-less cue became slippery, but all other times with less humidity and before the weekend play of a four day event I was fine. It sucked it Houston. Under fire, you'll find your answer.
There's NO simple answer.
If I had a cue with linen wrap I think I would convert those to stacked leather. Not really an option with a wrapless cue though (which is what all of mine are).
Any type of wrap can be added to a wrapless cue; the installer just has to cut a wrap channel first.
Exactly -- I'm only converting the linen-wrapped cues. Any cue that is already wrapless is obviously already at optimum for me. And, any cue that is "heirloom" or otherwise has a pricey non-linen wrap (e.g. expensive leather or exotic skin) is not being converted.
Yes, this is true, and could be an option for those that inherited a wrapless cue, but "must" have a wrap for whatever reason. I personally wouldn't do that, obviously because I prefer wrapless cues to start with, but also because you may be cutting into and defacing an attractive piece of wood in the handle area (depending on the cue, of course).
-Sean
While physically possible I wouldn't pay somebody to cut into any of my wrapless cues. The inlays would be messed up and not sure what they would do with any ring work.
Sweating is not the problem for me.....at least not a large problem. What makes me choose wrapped is the humidity in most places I play here. During the 9 or so months of summer here in Memphis, we average 80% + humidity. Makes for a sticky feel on wrapless. I have linen now, but will be upgrading to Rat's stacked leather in the near future.....Dan
Wrapless all the way!!!
I'll take any SW over Sugertree
The thread reads different to me!!! I hear that Eric's cue is better than a SW, Bull . I have a friend with a wrapless Sugertree- he pd 1,200. Totally over priced.He bought pred shafts too.After that- And SW has a Rep. for how many yrs. They are working on 2001 orders- I'm not bashing Eric but SW wrap vs wrap less is a no brainier. The playability is built into the cue. The cue makers can use higher grade under wraps- but it is a way to deffer the costs(make it cheaper). Maple under wraps are (1.50) A 17 inch piece of Hardwood can cost another 75.bucks. And still needs to be finished. Send me the SW's and I'll send the Crisps!! Just my opinion thanks in advance to any reply s. Mark I sold 3 SW's for almost 9000. How many crisps would that buy? a bakers dozen?
The thread reads different to me!!! I hear that Eric's cue is better than a SW, Bull . I have a friend with a wrapless Sugertree- he pd 1,200. Totally over priced.He bought pred shafts too.After that- And SW has a Rep. for how many yrs. They are working on 2001 orders- I'm not bashing Eric but SW wrap vs wrap less is a no brainier. The playability is built into the cue. The cue makers can use higher grade under wraps- but it is a way to deffer the costs(make it cheaper). Maple under wraps are (1.50) A 17 inch piece of Hardwood can cost another 75.bucks. And still needs to be finished. Send me the SW's and I'll send the Crisps!! Just my opinion thanks in advance to any reply s. Mark I sold 3 SW's for almost 9000. How many crisps would that buy? a bakers dozen?
you could get wrapless SW!!!