I don't know. 4 out of what?
$25 for a piece of chalk is ridiculous!
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I don't know. 4 out of what?
There's been anecdotal evidence of all kinds out there. Unfortunately, since pricing gets so much of the attention, some of that becomes less than trustworthy.
It's not that pricing isn't important here, but the pricing discussion gets in the way of discussing other matters of the product, and all too often becomes a values/morals discussion and ceases being about the product at all.
Out of the amount of miscues Mr. Schmidt makes in a tournament. He was probably speaking hyperbolically when offering his opinion. Nonetheless his opinion has merit as a miscue by a professional when playing another professional is generally costly. So anything which reduces them is probably worth a lot to a pro. It should be safe assumption that outside of actually using Kamui chalk the profesional player has probably done all that is physically possible to minimize the incidence of miscues.
Agreed.:thumbup:
I understand being for the ol' USA.
But I think you may be mis-informed about Japan and their products. Japanese people and as a nation are very quality conciencious. They are into high quality products. Producing them and buying them.
I think you may have China and Japan mixed up?
Yeah, prolly a mix up. So many shitty china and Taiwan products give the Asian nation (products) a bad name. Jeez I forgot about Toyota and Honda! They are the best quality cars on the market!
Very true. Preadator had their "gimmick" with the multi layered shafts and they have (had) similar marketing ploys that kamui has. Although I did not buy it (my cue) because of the hype. It was the cheapest cue my hall had the time for sale ($245.00). So that's the main reason I bought it lol. It's pretty beat up now after 10 years of playing but it has character and it still hits like a motherf**ker!
Edit: I think I paid $300.00 for the cue. It's been so long...
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I like this predator argument, I thought of this myself. The problem is, unless I haven't read something here, is that places tested predator's assertions with a robot hitting machine-- and low and behold what they were saying was true.
Now, i'm not sure what kamui is really saying about their chalk, if anything. But i'd have to see some tests like were done on predator shafts to believe this chalk prevents miscues (or let's a player hit further out on the cb).
Now, i'm not sure what kamui is really saying about their chalk, if anything. But i'd have to see some tests like were done on predator shafts to believe this chalk prevents miscues (or let's a player hit further out on the cb).
Actually it's only a very small percentage of products that people use to give all of China a bad name. 40 years ago Made in Japan was similarly derided.
Your Predator cue was probably made by a Taiwanese company using Taiwanese workers imported into Canada.
I agree and if they made this claim and could back it it up with data then there would be a lot less argument.
Nathan,
I am very disappointed. You share our emails publicly without my permission. Not cool. Let me post my response to your email.
Hi Nathan,
Actually. Smurfs do exist and Gargamel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gargamel was hired by us to process the smurfs into chalk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smurf
We came out with the new movie http://smurfhappens.com/?hs308=SMF6186
to gain more popularity for the blue color. ;-)
Hail to Gargamel!
ROFLOL!
-John
I am very disappointed. You share our emails publicly without my permission. Not cool. Let me post my response to your email.
Hi Nathan,
Actually. Smurfs do exist and Gargamel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gargamel was hired by us to process the smurfs into chalk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smurf
We came out with the new movie http://smurfhappens.com/?hs308=SMF6186
to gain more popularity for the blue color. ;-)
Hail to Gargamel!
ROFLOL!
-John
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Kamui thanks you for being our customer and we will not stop improving and providing the best products for you.
well . . .
John has been known to say things to make a point. However if he really miscued four times or more an event I'd say he needed to work on his shot selection not his stroke! (not suggesting for a moment that John needs to work on either one)
Hu
John has been known to say things to make a point. However if he really miscued four times or more an event I'd say he needed to work on his shot selection not his stroke! (not suggesting for a moment that John needs to work on either one)
Hu
The majority of products from China that are not ingested are safe. But the amount of cases of toxic materials in objects that can be ingested or are handled enough so that its possible to ingest residue is far higher in China than anywhere else in recent years.
The reactors were actually American designed from 30-40 years ago, so there goes that theory. Also, it was hit by one of the biggest quakes ever and a gigantic tsunami. Not many things in existence can stand up to that kind of beating. Its a wonder the buildings are even standing.
Im a fairly new player to the game and so far the only chalk ive used is Masters chalk..I know my stroke is anything but perfect and I do notice when I forget to keep up on chalking I miscue alot more..When im playing and keeping up on chalking before every shot I rarely miscuem or at least dont miscue as much..So just from my experience in the last couple of months Ive come to the conclusion that chalk is an important aspect to not miscue..25-30 dollars seems very expensive to me for a single piece of chalk but I would still like to try it and see what I notice with it..So when it comes back in stock at Kamui I think I will buy a piece and see how I like it..If I dont notice any noticeable difference in gameplay I will stick to Masters since I can get 2 full boxes of chalk for the price of a single piece of Kamui chalk..
Well, I'd say his stroke under pressure is probably what he would need to work on to remedy that. What do you think his advice to himself would be, the same thing. Why do you think there are miscues? Pro pool players aren't Gods, they are guys who play very well.
Where is this quote anyway, you seem obsessed with it. I'm not sure what he means by "it". I hate to break this to you, but everybody already knows that 4 reduced miscues in a tournamnet is very strong, so why keep bringing it up? This isn't evidence corroborating your assertions or anything. There is also a big "if" in that sentence, underlined by yours truly.
New chalk just simply isn't how you miscue less, it's not the answer. But, let's just say for one second that this new chalk is the answer to miscuing less. Well, you're still wrong because any miscue after using the new chalk would still have to remedied by work on your stroke (under pressure), right? Or maybe you think a new piece of miracle chalk would be out by then? Or you think miscues wont exist after the kamui chalk?
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John Schmidt was asked about Kamuii chalk during the TAR 20 PPV between Earl and SVB. That is where this quote came from. Something to the effect of "I haven't tried it yet, but if it keeps me from miscueing, say 4 times over the course of a tournament, it's well worth trying." Then he stated that he was certainly gonna give it a try at some point.
The point being that if John Schmidt feels that any if increase in performance is worth it, there must be something to at least considering it's use. That's why people keep bringing John's comment up.
It also brings us back to the basic premise, if the chalk improves your performance at all, then all we are doing is haggling over price. As for what that improvement is worth to you.
From your statement, I don't see that.
He didn't say 'any increase', according to you, he specifically quantified the increase. However, that still leaves the important question of what that quantification means.
Again, relativity plays a big part. 4 out of 4 is a lot different than 4 out of 104. "By 4" with no context doesn't mean anything.
Hyperbole does not make for a trustworthy opinion. Some are putting a lot of trust in a quote they can't seem to place in a proper context.
If John Schmidt is useing it, you can bet he got for free. Master chalk is 9 centavos a piece. $25 is pretty ballsy if you ask me.
Furthermore, the price of Kamui chalk alone will keep me from buying any of their other branded products. Kamui definetely doesn't have your "game" at heart or they would offer the wonder chalk at a more affordable price for everyone.
Furthermore, the price of Kamui chalk alone will keep me from buying any of their other branded products. Kamui definetely doesn't have your "game" at heart or they would offer the wonder chalk at a more affordable price for everyone.