Questioning everything I do

mattb

mattb

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Something has happened recently that has made me question my entire game. From break to pocketing the last ball. So much of a question that I have contemplated giving it up all together. The last straw will be to ask for instruction to see if I can be corrected or should I persue other interests.

I am not looking to buy instructional videos, those do not work for me. Books to me become useless paper weights. I could care less about trick shots, there has never been a time I have seen a game won by a set up trick shot. I am looking for solid fundamental instruction. I want to figure out what the heck happened to my game, period. I know I am better than I have been playing lately, but unless I can find the solution to the problem it does me no good.

I am around Louisville KY and would be willing to travel an hour or two for instruction/lessons. Be warned I will be hard headed and stubborn, but I will listen while questioning everything you ask me to do. I just want answers, I do not mean any harm. One last thing, a three day course is probably not possible at this time in my life, but I will not rule it out as something for the future. If i am going to pay, I expect an honest attempt at helping my game. No more, no less. Fair pay for fair instruction.

Is there any suggestions out there on classes/instruction?
 
If no one is available near you, you could always tape a game or practice session and post it on youtube. I do hope someone is near you though that can lend a hand. I've been going through a little rough patch in my game too and it's frustrating but thanks to some posters on AZB I'm seeing what's wrong.

I usually tell people that taping their matches is an excellent aid, although I didn't do it myself until recently. It's the single best tool (other than a live instructor) out there.

Best of luck finding some help and don't give up.
 
mattb...I can help you, and I guarantee your satisfaction, or you don't pay me. PM me with your contact information, so we can discuss your needs and my schedule. I can come to Louisville in a little more than two weeks. Are you the same Matthew from near Louisville, who emailed a few days ago, looking for instruction?

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

mattb said:
Something has happened recently that has made me question my entire game. From break to pocketing the last ball. So much of a question that I have contemplated giving it up all together. The last straw will be to ask for instruction to see if I can be corrected or should I persue other interests.

I am not looking to buy instructional videos, those do not work for me. Books to me become useless paper weights. I could care less about trick shots, there has never been a time I have seen a game won by a set up trick shot. I am looking for solid fundamental instruction. I want to figure out what the heck happened to my game, period. I know I am better than I have been playing lately, but unless I can find the solution to the problem it does me no good.

I am around Louisville KY and would be willing to travel an hour or two for instruction/lessons. Be warned I will be hard headed and stubborn, but I will listen while questioning everything you ask me to do. I just want answers, I do not mean any harm. One last thing, a three day course is probably not possible at this time in my life, but I will not rule it out as something for the future. If i am going to pay, I expect an honest attempt at helping my game. No more, no less. Fair pay for fair instruction.

Is there any suggestions out there on classes/instruction?
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mattb said:
Be warned I will be hard headed and stubborn, but I will listen while questioning everything you ask me to do.
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mattb said:
Is there any suggestions out there on classes/instruction?
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My suggestion is to take Scott up on his offer. Keep in mind you will only benefit if you give Scott's advice an honest try before passing judgement.

I'm confident that you will be surprised what a difference you can make in your game with his help.
 
Instruction

I sent Scott a PM to try and get some help. I will try to keep my mind as open as possible.
 
I had the same thing happen the other night... I was shooting all the wrong shots.....just couldn't seem to figure it out everything felt wrong.... We were using the Magic rack so I was continuously having guys run out on me or I was shooting flyer after flyer watching em miss by inches and selling out when I did get to shoot. It was brutal I tell ya... Then I walked by the big mirror over the bar and caught my reflection.... I woke up in a cold sweat... I went to the sink and washed my face I looked myself dead in the eye in the bathroom mirror and repeated this mantra..... "You are NOT Neil... YOU ARE NOT NEIL!!"

Anyways I would take Scott up on his offer... I think you will be surprised with what happens when your game is grounded in fundamentals....

And Neil.... Thanks for the heads up on The Talent Code.... I ordered a copy today :thumbup:
 
I'm the other Matt that emailed scott recently as well, and live near louisville. :smile:

I would be interested in playing though, once a week league night and practicing alone at home gets old!

Matt
 
Home room?

Indiana Skinny said:
I'm the other Matt that emailed scott recently as well, and live near louisville. :smile:

I would be interested in playing though, once a week league night and practicing alone at home gets old!

Matt
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Where do you usually play? I like the Bank Shot or Oliver's.
 
I usually play in new albany at jacks, never played at bank shot. I have been to oliver's once, liked it.

Did do an APA league over at the billiard club first of the year. Didn't sign up for this session with the bridge out i'd never get over there.
 
Instruction

I had my instruction yesterday with Mr Lee. I will give his techniques a try and then write a comprehensive review in a month or so after I have made an attempt at his methods.

The whole lesson focused on the stroke and the mechanics involved. I would have liked to have had some instruction on shot selection and perceptions. Maybe this is saved for a future instruction or more advanced classes after the mechanics are ironed out.

I am keeping an open mind.
 
mattb said:
I had my instruction yesterday with Mr Lee. I will give his techniques a try and then write a comprehensive review in a month or so after I have made an attempt at his methods.

The whole lesson focused on the stroke and the mechanics involved. I would have liked to have had some instruction on shot selection and perceptions. Maybe this is saved for a future instruction or more advanced classes after the mechanics are ironed out.

I am keeping an open mind.
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If you were near New York City I would be happy to help you with shot selection and perceptions. However, one of the greatest players in the history of our game, Nick Varner, is from Owensboro. I don't know if he still lives there, but I would imagine he does. If there's anybody who can help you with shot selection, it's Nick, and he does teach.
 
Matt...Yes, it's true that the first lesson was focused on creating your "perfect" stroke process, as that's what you told me you wanted. I would be more than happy to work with you on shot selection and perceptions, as I mentioned yesterday. Without a solid accurate and repeatable stroke, that can be applied at will, on demand, under pressure, in one try, all the playing knowledge in the world will be of limited value.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

mattb said:
I had my instruction yesterday with Mr Lee. I will give his techniques a try and then write a comprehensive review in a month or so after I have made an attempt at his methods.

The whole lesson focused on the stroke and the mechanics involved. I would have liked to have had some instruction on shot selection and perceptions. Maybe this is saved for a future instruction or more advanced classes after the mechanics are ironed out.

I am keeping an open mind.
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mattb said:
I had my instruction yesterday with Mr Lee. I will give his techniques a try and then write a comprehensive review in a month or so after I have made an attempt at his methods.

The whole lesson focused on the stroke and the mechanics involved. I would have liked to have had some instruction on shot selection and perceptions. Maybe this is saved for a future instruction or more advanced classes after the mechanics are ironed out.

I am keeping an open mind.
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I'd save the review until month 6 or so. If you're only practicing Scott's information for 30 days, you're not working on it hard enough and not providing enough time to incorporate the changes.

VERY few changes (if they're profound changes) can be fully realized within a 6 month period of time.

Dave

note: that's the time it takes for the "correct" uncomfortable position to feel totally natural and second nature.
 
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I had my instruction yesterday with Mr Lee. I will give his techniques a try and then write a comprehensive review in a month or so after I have made an attempt at his methods.

The whole lesson focused on the stroke and the mechanics involved. I would have liked to have had some instruction on shot selection and perceptions. Maybe this is saved for a future instruction or more advanced classes after the mechanics are ironed out.

I am keeping an open mind.
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Like with construction, a solid foundation is the most important part.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I'd save the review until month 6 or so. If you're only practicing Scott's information for 30 days, you're not working on it hard enough and not providing enough time to incorporate the changes.

VERY few changes (if they're profound changes) can be fully realized within a 6 month period of time.

Dave

note: that's the time it takes for the "correct" uncomfortable position to feel totally natural and second nature.
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6 months? Really? Sorry, but I totally disagree. If it is not working after 30 days of honestly trying, you would ask me to keep screwing myself up for another 5 months? In that case I would be worse off than I was before and then really lack direction or worse, be done with it completely.

I think the time period you give may be for you, or is your opinion of time needed. That is fine and I understand your point, but 6 months to you and 30 days to me is our own respective opinion, mine just happens to be based on knowing myself.
 
Scott Lee said:
Matt...Yes, it's true that the first lesson was focused on creating your "perfect" stroke process, as that's what you told me you wanted. I would be more than happy to work with you on shot selection and perceptions, as I mentioned yesterday. Without a solid accurate and repeatable stroke, that can be applied at will, on demand, under pressure, in one try, all the playing knowledge in the world will be of limited value.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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I saw so many things in the video that I do "right" that it would have seemed more appropriate to work with what I had (my opinion). We discussed many pros that have different strokes and with little in common of each other. They found their "perfect" stroke, but it seems as though now I am not finding my stroke, but instead am finding your stroke.

We found this "perfect" stroke and then spent over an hour on speed control. I had speed control before.

I will work on what you gave me and see where it leads.
 
Scott will get you going in the right direction. You are doing the right thing taking lessons. You are being unfair to yourself having a 30 day trial period. I'd like to master the game tonight but I have the rest of my life to learn and enjoy pool. I'm definitely seeing results of my lesson with Scott. Be patient and practice...you'll get better.
 
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Matt...The video analysis showed that while you had some high scores in some areas, your "process" was inconsistent, with different speed strokes. You also had no consistent eye pattern. What the SPF foundation can give you is the ability to 'come with the shot' in any situation, under pressure, on demand, in one try. I asked you what you wanted out of the lesson at the outset. Your reply was that you wanted something to practice that would not be just aimless ball pocketing, and more pointed towards a more consistent way to approach your game. I thought that's what I gave you.
As I put right in my website...any student not satisfied with their lesson need only speak up, and there would be no charge. You not only did not notify me of any dissatisfaction, you posted an "excellent" rating on the lesson feedback form. That doesn't seem to be consistent with your feelings 24 hrs later. If you continue to have these feelings, even after giving it a chance, please contact me privately and we will come to some resolution to both of our satisfaction.

I believe if you do end up practicing what I showed you, you will realize an independent upswing in ROI, for time invested. It may well not take 6 months (and as you pointed out, should yield some productive results in 30 days, practiced correctly).

The fellow that called yesterday to 'update' me on his progress in just one week, called back again today, to report his immediate success in putting his new process into his competitive game last night, winning a match 7-0. That's remarkable results for such a short time period...but everyone is different. He posts here too. Perhaps he will chime in on this thread. Remember, I did tell you, all through the lesson, that this is only information. What you get out of it is, in the long run, up to you.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

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I saw so many things in the video that I do "right" that it would have seemed more appropriate to work with what I had (my opinion). We discussed many pros that have different strokes and with little in common of each other. They found their "perfect" stroke, but it seems as though now I am not finding my stroke, but instead am finding your stroke.

We found this "perfect" stroke and then spent over an hour on speed control. I had speed control before.

I will work on what you gave me and see where it leads.
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