Sugartree cue info
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I have two and another one on the way. First and foremost, they hit like a dream. The cueball moves so much easier around the table than say, a predator. I played with predator for years before my first sugartree and I could instantly tell the difference. On top of that, they are pretty as hell!
TheThaiger
Banned
Which Predators? That's a pretty big claim, and I'd put my mate's Blak 4 up against any cue ever made for ease of moving the CB. As he says, it's like cheating.
I've played with several predators. p2, quiet roller, sneaky pete... Your mate's Blak 4 doesn't stand a chance against "any cue every made"... and that includes my sugartree.
TheThaiger
Banned
Well Appleton won one of his world titles with it, so it's a nice cue, take it from me. I have a Blak 1, which is very nice, but this cue is just insane.
And Shane wins with a Cuetec. That's called talent.
There is no difference between a Blak 1 and a Blak 4, other than cosmetically. And a predator vs. a sugartree it's like comparing Ponderosa steakhouse to Morton's.
Your right,blows away the competition:wink:
TheThaiger
Banned
Sorry, buddy, but there's a world of difference between my cue and his. The largest cosmetic difference is the two large cracks in the butt, inflicted when DA threw it at a wall after missing a shot.
But there's no comparison in terms of how they play.
TheThaiger
Banned
Ain't that the truth. These custom guys crack me up.
I've played with some awesome custom cues but I know when it comes to Predator I think they all play pretty damn sporty.Its funny cause most of the guys that I know that have a custom cue have a Predator shaft on it or one lurking around in there bag somewhere.Predator might not be for everyone but cannot be denied credit for the best universal tool for the game in the history of pool.
bang on, even though i don't play with one. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize that Predator is primarily responsible for taking LD shaft technology to the forefront of cue innovation. IMHO perhaps the best invention since the leather tip.
I own a Sugartree, and after using Predators, OB, Wes Hunter, Scruggs, and a Josey, I've found that FOR ME, I've found the best hitting/playing combination I can find. I'll never knock a guy that believes a Mosconi Wal-Mart cue is the nuts, just as I would expect guys that aren't into custom cues shouldn't knock us custom users for liking what we like.
Here's what I know based on my experience with both types of cues. Cues are made of wood, which is a highly inconsistent variable. So, you can find a Predator, or even a very lower end cue that happens to have that perfect piece of wood that makes it a great player. You can also find a high end custom cue with the old growth shaft wood, and hand selected materials that for some reason, just doesn't play well. I've seen both extremes. The greatest hitting/playing cue I've ever come across was a friends Lucasi that he discovered in a pawn shop for $75! And I've played with cues that cost well over 5K that played like logs!
That being said, why then do I favor my Sugartree and other high end custom cues? It's all about the process in which they're being made, but mostly the wood selection process. Custom cue makers generally are so very selective with the materials they use, that only a very small percentage of the materials available, are deemed good enough to use in their products. I like to know that the shafts that came with my Sugartree have come out on the top and have made it into an elite and small number of examples that may have started with hundreds and maybe thousands of samples. I know that the materials used my my cue, and the thought and planning that went into the process of making my cue....................is the best of the best in the eyes of Eric Crisp. Subjective, yes, but when you find a cue maker that you believe in and trust, it's everything. I trust Eric enough to be in his shop turning out a product that he's satisfied with, and I believe that it takes lot's to impress or satisfy Eric. As for other lower end cue makers, I believe that their standards when it comes to materials used, and the process in making a cue, isn't as high as with custom cue makers. That being said however, even with a lower set of standards, and even with materials that a custom cue maker would discard.......................you can sometimes still end up with one hell of a cue. Maybe just less likely.
There's a reason why a Mercedes costs much more than a KIA. But the truth of the matter is, you can get where you wanna go in a KIA just as successfully as with a Mercedes. But you're gonna feel better in the Mercedes. And FEEL, is more than half the game as far as I'm concerned.
dave
Here's what I know based on my experience with both types of cues. Cues are made of wood, which is a highly inconsistent variable. So, you can find a Predator, or even a very lower end cue that happens to have that perfect piece of wood that makes it a great player. You can also find a high end custom cue with the old growth shaft wood, and hand selected materials that for some reason, just doesn't play well. I've seen both extremes. The greatest hitting/playing cue I've ever come across was a friends Lucasi that he discovered in a pawn shop for $75! And I've played with cues that cost well over 5K that played like logs!
That being said, why then do I favor my Sugartree and other high end custom cues? It's all about the process in which they're being made, but mostly the wood selection process. Custom cue makers generally are so very selective with the materials they use, that only a very small percentage of the materials available, are deemed good enough to use in their products. I like to know that the shafts that came with my Sugartree have come out on the top and have made it into an elite and small number of examples that may have started with hundreds and maybe thousands of samples. I know that the materials used my my cue, and the thought and planning that went into the process of making my cue....................is the best of the best in the eyes of Eric Crisp. Subjective, yes, but when you find a cue maker that you believe in and trust, it's everything. I trust Eric enough to be in his shop turning out a product that he's satisfied with, and I believe that it takes lot's to impress or satisfy Eric. As for other lower end cue makers, I believe that their standards when it comes to materials used, and the process in making a cue, isn't as high as with custom cue makers. That being said however, even with a lower set of standards, and even with materials that a custom cue maker would discard.......................you can sometimes still end up with one hell of a cue. Maybe just less likely.
There's a reason why a Mercedes costs much more than a KIA. But the truth of the matter is, you can get where you wanna go in a KIA just as successfully as with a Mercedes. But you're gonna feel better in the Mercedes. And FEEL, is more than half the game as far as I'm concerned.
dave
Why i own a Sugartree :
1... Hit like a dream...I can move the ball so much easier than any other cuemaker cue except my Mobley (mobley also can move the ball so much easier, but i like the feel of my sugartree)
2. resale value good...let's say you spent 2000$ for a new 8 pointer...i believe you can resell it at around 2000$ too, maybe you can gain a profit in the future....Productin cue like predator, Lucasi, Ob cue, cuetec or else can not make any profit for the resell...
3. design very unique and Eric design is very original....you can recognize any sugartree with his Ringwork, scallop, and wood combination...
1... Hit like a dream...I can move the ball so much easier than any other cuemaker cue except my Mobley (mobley also can move the ball so much easier, but i like the feel of my sugartree)
2. resale value good...let's say you spent 2000$ for a new 8 pointer...i believe you can resell it at around 2000$ too, maybe you can gain a profit in the future....Productin cue like predator, Lucasi, Ob cue, cuetec or else can not make any profit for the resell...
3. design very unique and Eric design is very original....you can recognize any sugartree with his Ringwork, scallop, and wood combination...
TheThaiger
Banned
The tip, the cue materials, the joint, the balance, the weight etc etc makes a big difference. A good stroke will just make you move the ball a bit easier than a bad stroke will; whichever cue you're using.
nobody want to spent a lot of dollar for an equipment that don't have any advantage... sugartree plain jane can sell for 1500$...while a fancy point predator can not sell for 1500$...in secondary market. Do you really think a good stroke is all that player need to move ball and nothing else ?...i will let you see the fact......Yang ching shun (southwest)....Wu chia ching (southwest) .....antonio lining (keith andy) .....bernard tey (keith andy) ......chao fong phang (keith andy) ....reyes (judd fuller)......bustamante (bear).... and they are not a rich man and certainly pick a cue that suit for them to play better...