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So I saw someone recently posting about all of the restrictions on ivory. Are you saying that when I come back in the country with my cues in my personal case, that they will be confiscated? That's ridiculous! Just because I have an ivory hop ring?

Has anyone here come and gone from the U.S. with ivory in their cues? You can't tell me there aren't people that havent done that. Has anyone here known anyone to have a cue confiscated? Anyone have any horror stories? I've never heard any. ANYONE?

R,

Greg
 
It absolutely happens and it happens often so I'm telling you.

Its not however a guarantee anymore than getting your bottle of shampoo confiscated or even say..... a hand gun. (from a news story last week).

So yes, its the real deal without question and/or like it or not.
 
So I saw someone recently posting about all of the restrictions on ivory. Are you saying that when I come back in the country with my cues in my personal case, that they will be confiscated? That's ridiculous! Just because I have an ivory hop ring?

Has anyone here come and gone from the U.S. with ivory in their cues? You can't tell me there aren't people that havent done that. Has anyone here known anyone to have a cue confiscated? Anyone have any horror stories? I've never heard any. ANYONE?

R,

Greg

It's sort like killing someone....just to pull their teeth out of their head ...so "you" can construct a pretty cue.

It's sort of obscene. There is a reason it's against the law in most civilized countries.
 
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I wasn't asking for your opinion about wether or not it should be used. I asked if anyone new any firsthand examples of people having cues with ivory confiscated.

R,

Greg
 
There are restrictions on the import of ivory. U.S. cuemaker's are careful to document the ivory used in their cues. The problem could be coming back into the country with a brand new or new looking, foreign made cue.

The question is, does customs know, care or really look for a small piece made into a ferrule. Well you can bet that they know. The care part comes into play when someone comes through customs and is a real a$$hole. Oh, that's an Italian gold ring that your grandmother gave you? Then of course you filed a customs form "before" you left the country. I forget what number or what it's called but I had to list all my pro camera equipment in the days I went around europe.

I don't know about pool players but for a "horror story" look to Gibson guitar. The EPA raided them two years ago, confiscated their stockplie of ebony wood, and have yet to file charges. Gibson is a pretty big company. Think what they can do to a 3 man cue shop.

This falls right into line with that EPA boss in the news right now who likes to "crucify" oil companys to get the other's to fall in line.
 
It's sort like killing someone....just to pull their teeth out of their head ...so "you" can construct a pretty cue.

It's sort of obscene. There is a reason it's against the law in most civilized countries.

Actually its not at all like that but thanks for the uninformed and outdated opinions.

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It's sort like killing someone....just to pull their teeth out of their head ...so "you" can construct a pretty cue.

It's sort of obscene. There is a reason it's against the law in most civilized countries.

This post is way out of line. Other than the fact that it didn't address the original question, you don't seem to have a clue about the ivory situation.
There is a lot of legal ivory in this world. Yes, there is pre-ban ivory but there are stock piles of legal ivory from elephants dying from natural causes. Not all elephants are shot by ivory smugglers.

The countries that have these stock piles of legal ivory would love to sell it to finance their efforts to fight the poaching and to care for the elephants. However, because of the idiotic blanket ban, they are unable to sell it.

IMHO, the authorities shouldn't be going after some pool player traveling with his cues. It's a waste of time and effort. Frankly, fresh ivory isn't good for cue inlays and the ivory in the cue is probably well aged, possibly pre-ban. They should be going after the ivory dealers. Maybe if they were allowed to sell some of this legal ivory they would have the resources to go after the right people.

I don't mean to hijack this thread.
 
Crazy times. Glad I switched my ferrules. My wrap is made from a clubbed baby seal. don't like the feel of linen and it really hits sweet. Does anyone know if the tsa has any restrictions??
 
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So I saw someone recently posting about all of the restrictions on ivory. Are you saying that when I come back in the country with my cues in my personal case, that they will be confiscated? That's ridiculous! Just because I have an ivory hop ring?

Has anyone here come and gone from the U.S. with ivory in their cues? You can't tell me there aren't people that havent done that. Has anyone here known anyone to have a cue confiscated? Anyone have any horror stories? I've never heard any. ANYONE?

R,

Greg

Ivory never proven to be anything but legally purchased was put in three or four cues and shipped to England. Cost several hundred thousand and a few hundred pounds of ivory to settle that deal, all perfectly legal ivory by the way but once confiscated you will play hell getting anything back.

The issue is that it is illegal to transport ivory across the border of a CITES signee country, over 250 countries if I remember correctly. No matter how legal the ivory was before, cross a border and it is no longer legal ivory, even if you bring it back to the country it originally came from. A mechanism that was put in place to restrict the movement of preban legal ivory. There is paperwork that allows the import of legally taken ivory but I think it is much more involved than a simple declaration at the border.

People have lost cues and other items containing ivory and I remember someone fighting for several years to recover a cue that actually had imitation ivory in it. It is always a gamble traveling across borders with ivory. Aside from losing the ivory the potential fines and prison sentences are pretty heavy. Odds are good that you won't be the one that loses their item with ivory although it seems to be getting much more common. Odds are that if you lose the ivory that is all that will happen. Odds are all in your favor, the downside can be a hell of a risk though. If I traveled internationally I certainly wouldn't want to be flagged as a smuggler even if they didn't come down with the full force of the law, something that does happen on occasion.

Hu
 
Well... I've yet to see a group of "cowboys" wrestle an elephant to ground and saw off it's Tusk's without killing it.....

PLEASE...video to the contrary.



Apparently you don't hunt with elephant tranquilizers as do most ivory poachers.
 
Pang it, please stop posting on my thread. You obviously aren't reading all the posts and you are unfairly hijacking my thread. It isn't about whether or not you agree with ivory being used. I'm asking for any specific examples of people being nabbed at the border.

Please open your own thread or PM people.

Thank you for respecting my request on my thread.

R,

Greg
 
Apparently you don't hunt with elephant tranquilizers as do most ivory poachers.

Thank You, case in point...IT's all something I wouldn't do, It's sad you try to "justify" it.

I'm sure you are fully behind the Japanese "experiment" of Whaling for "tissue" samples?
 
Apparently you don't hunt with elephant tranquilizers as do most ivory poachers.

Or course I don't hunt elephant's with tranquilizers or a Marlin 45-70 government guide gun, hand loaded with 420 grain Hammerheads.

It's not something I want to do. Apparently YOU have some sort of attraction to sawing off Ivory Tusks??? That's what it seems like?
 
Thank You, case in point...IT's all something I wouldn't do, It's sad you try to "justify" it.

I'm sure you are fully behind the Japanese "experiment" of Whaling for "tissue" samples?

yes, i think there is good evidence we are heading into an ice age. japanese are once again ahead in technology, these studies will allow us to synthetically produce whale blubber suits that will allow us to survive in circumstances natural evolution will not account for. yes, i am definitely on board with them on this. are there any tsa restrictions on whale blubber?? add some useful info and stick with the topic man!! or go peruse a greenpeace site.
 
yes, i think there is good evidence we are heading into an ice age. japanese are once again ahead in technology, these studies will allow us to synthetically produce whale blubber suits that will allow us to survive in circumstances natural evolution will not account for. yes, i am definitely on board with them on this. are there any tsa restrictions on whale blubber?? add some useful info and stick with the topic man!! or go peruse a greenpeace site.

Okay "MAN" Whale/Walrus/Narwhale"Ivory". Is that "on topic" enough for your "topic control" mentality???
 
I used to live in Japan and sold high end cues on the side. It was always easy to buy a cue from the US and ship it to Japan. However, shipping a cue from Japan back to the states was always risky (but possible), and quite a hassle. Nowdays, I would suggest way to much of a risk to make it worth while. There is such thing is legally obtained ivory, however that paperwork stays with the cuemaker, and doesn not go with the cue. So trying to prove that the ivory in your cue came from a batch that was legally obtained and documented is pretty much impossible. Now I know several pro players that play internationally take their cues overseas and return home with them often and usually without any hassle. As a matter of fact, when I made the move back to the US from Japan, I brought all my cues with me in my luggage without anybody even looking at them. However, if they had wanted to take a look, it is with the law, and if they suspect any ivory or other illegal by products, by law they can keep the cue and you're screwed.

For those of you that are so quick to slam those that prefer ivory I say don't talk with your mouth full. The process of 'harvesting' beef, pork, fish, and any other animal by product is equally as 'cruel' as the process of harvesting ivory. So I find it amusing that people can slam others for favoring ivory while they sit there behind theor pc monitor chomping down on chicarones or hamburgers.
First of all, because of the laws that are in place, the ivory you will find in cue makers from the United States will all be pre ban ivory that was obtained either before the ban was in place, or by legal means after the ban was in place. And I assure you all of us "savage" ivory lovers support the ivory ban and what the law is intended to accomplish.
The human race, simply because of how we've encroached and populated the world, has unfortunately been handed (by ourselves) the responsibility of managing and controling wildlife. And in some cases, that means harvesting. There are some species of wildlife that, were we to outlaw harvesting or hunting, their numbers would greatly exceed the resources needed to maintiain their healthy prosperity, and as result, many more numbers than harvesting, would end up dying as a result of starvations and disease.
Do some research before you start throwing stones. And I will always say to those that are against the use of wildlife by products..................Against the use of ivory? Then don't use it!

WORD!
 
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