could Xiaoting Pan compete with the Mens pros if...

risky biz said:
I don't know or care who the "best" is tournament-wise. I watch them play and judge from that. Just like anyone does in a pool hall routinely. I've watched Fu Xiao Fang recently and like her play:

Fu Xiao-Fang vs. Chen Si-Meng at 2011 World 9-Ball China Open
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMpr3ki2Q1g

I've already posted this further up this thread or the other 'female player' thread.

So are you going to watch this and tell me how bad she is and how Mr. X could beat her hands down? Compare her here to some of the American players at the last Mosconi cup and it's embarrassing for male American players.
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I an living in China and see these ladies play often but not sure who would be called the "best" on any given day. Xiao Ting, Fu Xiao Fang, Chen Si Ming and Liu Sha Sha from China are all very strong as are Kim Ga Young and Yu Ram Cha from Korea and several of the Taiwan players. On any given day any can beat the others.They all regularly practice and compete with male pros in Asia so there is no "fear" or intimidation when playing against the men. All of their coaches are male pros.

What amazes me on this thread is that people are expressing very strong opinions and then admitting they have never watched these ladies play. Seems like a "macho" opinion with no facts.

In a match between a top lady and top man, I don't know who would win, but think it would be competitive.

I invite you to watch this match from this years Amway cup in Taiwan and then tell me that on that day at least, Tsai Pei Chen would not be "competitive" against a top male pro. I am sure she would be happy with the 7 and the break.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-TIgCr-uUw
 
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jay helfert said:
All you male chauvinists out there can watch this and tell me what you see. I don't see "women" pool players, I just see POOL PLAYERS! If you don't think these two women can play then you just aren't paying attention. Only the best men are favorites over them, and not by that much. They both play run-out pool. They shoot straight and know how to move the cue ball. I don't really think either of them would be phased that much by playing against men. I for one would love to see them play in open events. I think that would open a lot of eyes.

I like Chris Bartrum and think a lot of his game and his heart, but he is not a huge favorite over either of these ladies. He would need to get down and play to beat either of them. And that might not be enough. As far as a money game I have no idea if either of them gamble. But if they do, I might be betting on them against a lot of men players. JMHO as always. But what do I know? :smile:
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seriously? ... has it been that long Jay? and i am always the bad guy on here :confused: now these girls went from being future world champions to being underdogs to bartrum? Maybe the problem is some posters just see "POOL PLAYERS" and you are caught up with the girl vs guy thing?
 
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GADawg said:
What amazes me on this thread is that people are expressing very strong opinions and then admitting they have never watched these ladies play. Seems like a "macho" opinion with no facts.
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Glad someone else noticed that. I did but didn't bring it up.:p
 
pssst this thread is as long as it is because people have watched the ladies play :) i can look like a good player against a lower level player, against SVB i will look like a rank amateur. All my faults and flaws will be exposed and used against me and i will be crushed :)
 
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champ2107 said:
pssst this thread is as long as it is because people have watched the ladies play :) i can look like a good player against a lower level player, against SVB i will look like a rank amateur. All my faults and flaws will be exposed and used against me and i will be crushed :)
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We'll take it on your word that all your faults and flaws will not be exposed and used against you and you will not be crushed by Fu Xiao Fang. :p
 
champ2107 said:
i can look like a good player against a lower level player, against SVB i will look like a rank amateur. All my faults and flaws will be exposed and used against me and i will be crushed :)
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In any case, your opponent becomes irrelevant when you're running racks.
 
risky biz said:
In any case, your opponent becomes irrelevant when you're running racks.
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if these girls think they could be world champions they would have tried to do it already and would be playing in all the tourneys with the best men playing in them on a regular basis. When efren was asked why he doesn't play snooker, his answer was "there to good"
 
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Kelly Fisher seems to be the second ranked female player currently or recently, Can she beat the top male pro's?


Female rankings from The World Pool-Billiard Association
Last updated date: 25 MAR 2012


1 Chen, Siming {1} [0086] (CHN) 340 290 340 600 234 266 2070
2 Fisher, Kelly {3} [0182] (GBR) 266 208 156 120 640 208 1598
3 Chou, Chieh-Yu {7} [0155] (TPE) 183 340 208 285 120 426 1562
4 Yu, Han {4} [0097] (CHN) 133 156 156 525 400 156 1526
5 Fu, Xiao-Fang {2} [0181] (CHN) 100 208 426 450 177 80 1441
6 Liu, Sha Sha {6} [0095] (CHN) 217 208 156 375 312 156 1427


http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/home
 
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champ2107 said:
Kelly Fisher seems to be the second ranked female player currently or recently, Can she beat the top male pro's?


Female rankings from The World Pool-Billiard Association
Last updated date: 25 MAR 2012


1 Chen, Siming {1} [0086] (CHN) 340 290 340 600 234 266 2070
2 Fisher, Kelly {3} [0182] (GBR) 266 208 156 120 640 208 1598
3 Chou, Chieh-Yu {7} [0155] (TPE) 183 340 208 285 120 426 1562
4 Yu, Han {4} [0097] (CHN) 133 156 156 525 400 156 1526
5 Fu, Xiao-Fang {2} [0181] (CHN) 100 208 426 450 177 80 1441
6 Liu, Sha Sha {6} [0095] (CHN) 217 208 156 375 312 156 1427


http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/home
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Several in that list, who I have some familiarity with, can beat the top male pros when they're playing at their best. Someone has already pointed out further up this thread, I believe, that Yu Ram Cha beat Shane Van Boehning and she isn't even in the top six of this list.
 
champ2107 said:
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if these girls think they could be world champions they would have tried to do it already and would be playing in all the tourneys with the best men playing in them on a regular basis. When efren was asked why he doesn't play snooker, his answer was "there to good"
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First of all, regardless of what Efren said, I don't believe for a second that he couldn't be a top line snooker player. He also said, "I got lucky". His calendar is as full as he wants it with pool and he probably doesn't find snooker a very attractive game. It's too restrictive for someone with his style.

Getting back to the women- the WPBA has men's and women's divisions. I think it would be a good idea for there to be some divisional competition for the top ranked men AND women to compete in. I don't follow this type of thing but I don't think there is. If not, I think it's time to have something like that right now.
 
champ2107 said:
if these girls think they could be world champions they would have tried to do it already and would be playing in all the tourneys with the best men playing in them on a regular basis. When efren was asked why he doesn't play snooker, his answer was "there to good"
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actually Efren said he doesn't like snooker. There is a legend which says Efren beat O'Sullivan and Jimmy White race to 5 using a pool cue. He also made 3 centuries. I don't believe that. But during the SEA games he made a century for sure. At the question "can you beat the european snooker players"? He responded "I can't, they are too good". Which is totally predictable considering he doesn't play snooker at all and he is also way over his prime.
 
risky biz said:
Yes, and some of them play as good or better than the mid-range of the top 30 men players in the world. Some of them are noticeably better than some members of our last Mosconi Cup team.

You'll have a safe haven for your pretensions only as long as they don't bother to participate in American tournaments.
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lol lol lol Thats comical, who was the weakest link last year? was it putnam? I will take him in a race to 100 for all the money I have against any top female.
 
RobDeBank said:
lol lol lol Thats comical, who was the weakest link last year? was it putnam? I will take him in a race to 100 for all the money I have against any top female.
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Why is it that whenever this men vs women argument comes up, people always throw out the "I will take him in a race to 100 for all the money I have against any top female" challenge? I don't recall seeing ANYONE saying that the top female players could compete in a match to 100. That hasn't been a question.

The real debate is regarding tournament play. I'm not qualified to make that call, but I suspect it is a closer battle than many here think it would be. And I expect that the gap will continue to shrink as time marches on...
 
justadub said:
Why is it that whenever this men vs women argument comes up, people always throw out the "I will take him in a race to 100 for all the money I have against any top female" challenge? I don't recall seeing ANYONE saying that the top female players could compete in a match to 100. That hasn't been a question.

The real debate is regarding tournament play. I'm not qualified to make that call, but I suspect it is a closer battle than many here think it would be. And I expect that the gap will continue to shrink as time marches on...
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Because any run of the mill A player has a chance at beating a world class player in a tournament. Saying "well so and so female player has beaten SVB in a tournament" proves about as much as her skill as anybody that has ever beaten SVB in a tournament, which is quite a lot of people, I bet some B players have even beaten him in tournaments. Would you post on AZB claiming SVB and a B player are close in skill? No? Then why would you use the same logic to compare SVB to female players?

The only reliable way to compare skill between two players is to make the race long enough so luck evens out, thus the race to 100 challenge. Although there have been much shorter races offered by much weaker players and still no action from the "female pros are close to the male pros" side
 
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True story but a few years ago the WPBA came to town for a few days and my buddy actually showed up and offered them all the 8 ball except allison and karen who he said he would play even. He is just a shortstop, plays maybe a ball under Bartram.

He got absolutely not action btw.

And to answer the previous statement somebody said that some of the girls plays better than some of the Mosconi cup players which is just a joke. and as the poster above stated for it to be significant it would have to be a long race. I have even beaten some good very good players in short races and I am a high b-low a range. Am I gonna beat these players in a long race? no prob not.
 
Masayoshi said:
Because any run of the mill A player has a chance at beating a world class player in a tournament. Saying "well so and so female player has beaten SVB in a tournament" proves about as much as her skill as anybody that has ever beaten SVB in a tournament, which is quite a lot of people, I bet some B players have even beaten him in tournaments. Would you post on AZB claiming SVB and a B player are close in skill? No? Then why would you use the same logic to compare SVB to female players?

The only reliable way to compare skill between two players is to make the race long enough so luck evens out, thus the race to 100 challenge. Although there have been much shorter races offered by much weaker players and still no action from the "female pros are close to the male pros" side
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Ok, point granted, to an extent.

How many of the top pros play races to 100? Other than SVB? (And whoever he plays at that time.). How often do these races to 100 occur?

The Europeans don't play those races, do they all suck, and can't compete with the US men? I don't think so.

I expect to be slammed, so I'll just quit while I'm behind. I do think that there must be some merit to ability in races shorter than 100, or even 50.

Carry on.
 
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