Training for a backstroke pause

[Patrick Johnson]

I guess straight men like a little tap on the ass every now and then. I would have to show you a few pictures and test your heart rate to confirm.

Over on NPR I have a reputation for being gay.

pj <- the PC term is "versatile"
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[elvicash]

I like the pause and try to do it the very short pause not the extended long multisecond Buddy Hall version. Thanks Scott L/Jerry B/Mark W/Stan S for all the help.

However I would like to disagree and state that you do not have to pause at the back. I think it is physically possible to pull the stick back and then go forward without pausing. Players that go fast back and jerk it around and go forward they do not pause or even stop the butt end of the cue I would be willing to wager I can prove that using many average players and high speed photography from above looking down from above watching the back of their cue. This is possible by having a circular stroke at the back so come back on the inside and swing it toward the outside at the back and then go forward. Or pull it back with elbow up and drop the elbow as the elbow come forward the tip can stop but the back of the stick is in constant motion. This is how a crankshaft works, it allows the piston/tip to stop at the bottom of the cylinder end of the back swing. The piston/tip come to a stop at the top and bottom of each revolution the crank end of the connecting rod (butt of cue) stays in constant motion. I do not recommend that people use a curve/hook in the back swing but it is obvious that it is possible.

What Scott Lee teaches is the tricep backswing, bicep forward using the single elbow joint which forces the back and forth motion at the back of the cue to be straight the same as the tip. Keep elbow in same location at least until the tip is thru the cue ball. This is great and to be implemented if possible. I think from watching many players that straight back, pause, forward and through is not executed by most players.

The bending of a joint requires the use of two muscles and not one muscle in one direction and another muscles in the other direction. One muscle to expand, while one muscle contracts.

You got some bad info and people wonder why I have a hard time with "trained" instructors. Oh wait, maybe is was the easiest way to teach, even though not accurate in how describing a joint bends.

While the bicep is contracting, the triceps is expanding. When the triceps is contracting, the biceps is expanding.

It is this transition the muscles do when changing the direction of the stroke that may require some people to pause and some not. Some can make this transitions smoothly, some can not.

I am an engineer not a physician but I am pretty sure a muscle can only pull or motivate a joint when the muscle is contracting. Kinda like you cannot push with a rope. So to pull the cue back the tricep contracts, to fire the cue forward the tricep will relax and the bicep will contract cue goes forward.

I will bet you that no one can pull the cue back in a straight line and then forward without stopping it for a period of time no matter how short that period of time.

Now for people with a pump handle stroke or side to side in/out or out/in motion the butt of there cue does not ever have to stop just like the big end of the connecting rod is always in motion in an engine. I thought I explained that in my original post so I quoted that for you.

Now if you don't like Scott Lee that is something else entirely. There are alot of people who do not like someone sharing the wealth of knowledge pumping up the little fishes so they are hard to beat. Scott is a great guy I think you should listen to his knowledge.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I will bet you that no one can pull the cue back in a straight line and then forward without stopping it for a period of time no matter how short that period of time.

This might be true - as I said before, the physics of thrown balls might not apply to arms swinging cues.

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[Wileydog]

I am an engineer not a physician but I am pretty sure a muscle can only pull or motivate a joint when the muscle is contracting. Kinda like you cannot push with a rope. So to pull the cue back the tricep contracts, to fire the cue forward the tricep will relax and the bicep will contract cue goes forward.

I will bet you that no one can pull the cue back in a straight line and then forward without stopping it for a period of time no matter how short that period of time.

Now for people with a pump handle stroke or side to side in/out or out/in motion the butt of there cue does not ever have to stop just like the big end of the connecting rod is always in motion in an engine. I thought I explained that in my original post so I quoted that for you.

Now if you don't like Scott Lee that is something else entirely. There are alot of people who do not like someone sharing the wealth of knowledge pumping up the little fishes so they are hard to beat. Scott is a great guy I think you should listen to his knowledge.

That's why I made all my references to the point on the bridge. They can do all the swinging they want, but, at the point where the stick contacts the bridge, it's just forward and backward motion. I say it has to stop before changing from backward to forward. I wasn't going to comment on this anymore. I lied.