How to hit a cueball with mass in front of it

[zpele]

Alright I have been trying to figure this one out for a bit and wanted to know if anyone knows how to do it.

So the more mass in front of the cueball the more draw it will have. In other words, if you line up 3 balls in front of the cueball (all frozen together including the cueball) and you put draw on the cueball it should shoot backwards.



Now comes my question: How do you do this with center bottom on the cueball? Everytime I do it because of the balls in front of the cueball I end up pushing the ball and the draw doesnt take.

Do you have to do a fuetee or whatever its called? Is this shot only possible to do with left or right bottom english? Can you do this shot with maximum follow through so as to get the maximum action on the cueball?

If the shot is only possible with bottom right or left is it also not possible to draw straight back?







Alright that's the first question- the second one concerns the following shot:

You have 3 balls on the bottom rail plus the cueball. The first ball is hanging in the pocket and the next ball is frozen to the rail about 3 inches away on the bottom rail.

The cueball is hidden from the ball in the pocket by the second ball but it is about a 3/4 balls width from the cushion.

The last ball is frozen to the cueball at an opposing angle to the ball in hanging in the pocket.

Now my question is, what type of english would you apply to the cueball to make it jump up or spin in such a way as to go around the ball frozen on the rail behind it and pocket the ball hanging in the pocket?

Sorry if that explanation is confusing.


Just did some looking and it appears that the shot I'm asking about is an outside hook draw shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0vvNXHltWs

Now I'm guessing that because it takes to the air the english doesnt take until it hits the rail but can someone explain how to shoot the shot?

 

[Bob Jewett]

... So the more mass in front of the cueball the more draw it will have. In other words, if you line up 3 balls in front of the cueball (all frozen together including the cueball) and you put draw on the cueball it should shoot backwards.

The amazing action you get on this shot (which is a standard trick shot) is due to the facts that the cue ball is going forward to start with and the extra object balls are holding the cue ball against the cue stick allowing more transfer of spin to the cue ball. In effect you are getting a horizontal masse.

You can't avoid the cue ball going through unless you use a very light cue stick.

Try hitting the cue ball only half as low as normal and see how that works. As you noted, side spin and a small cut angle help.

Alright that's the first question- the second one concerns the following shot ... Now I'm guessing that because it takes to the air the english doesnt take until it hits the rail but can someone explain how to shoot the shot?

Work to develop your stroke and especially the power in your stroke. Learn to hit the cue ball well off-center. If you cannot draw the cue ball nearly two table lengths straight back from an object ball, your stroke is probably not up to the shot. It is better to start with a simple shot -- straight back -- and then try the more complicated shot that Massey is shooting which has an angle and some jump and some side spin added to the draw.

It helps on the shot shown to have very slippery equipment, such as new cloth or a waxed cue ball.

 

[scottjen26]

On the first shot you are talking about, I don't know of a way to make it properly shooting directly into the balls. Typically you need your cue angled across the balls somewhat, and using some side english helps as well to get the cue out of the way.

On the standard type shot, where 3 balls and the cue ball are frozen roughly on a line from the corner pocket to the 1st or 2nd diamond on the opposite long rail, you shoot with draw and outside english to draw back and then spin around the table 3 rails back to the opposite corner to make a ball. Angling across and using low outside makes it a pretty easy shot with tons of action as long as your cueing action is good, just stroke right through it with no hesitation otherwise you'll get a double hit.
Scott

 

[1hit1der]

Like Scott said, the issue with your first problem is getting the cue stick out of the way. So either the cue stick has to come off to the side, or the cue ball has to slide out to the side. If the cue stick needs to come off to the side, then putting left or right english on the cue ball is the easiest way to do it. For the cue ball to slide out, you can aim off-center from the line of balls. Here's a good video of how much draw you can get, although the use of silicone on the cue ball is highly likely:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCg68QsPw2U

The second shot is often called the circular draw. Yes, you need a really good stroke. I've seen guys go around two blocker balls before though. Here's how I like to set it up:

http://www.trickshottim.com/tutorial/circular_draw/