Making your opponents shoot every shot or concede out of respect?
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I get what your saying but if your opponent
has no issue with you conceding the game,how can that be a shark?A shark move usually happens during a shot or at the moment,but this a
strategic move that may not work but if it does it will happen later on down the set when the time is right to make him shoot it.Mind games yes,
sharking no.
It's only a mind game if you let it be a mind game but in no way is it a shark. If you think it's a shark then that means if affects your mind, therefore, it's a mind game to you. Have you gambled very much? Players who have been around concede balls all the time. And most concessions take place to speed the game up when balls are hangers. Besides, why in the hell would you be opposed to receiving a concession if you are gambling?
How is it poor sportsmanship if my opponent doesn't mind me
conceding the game to him?I think your basing your judgement on the
fact that were saying that latr on during the set when we don't concede
that it might make the opponent realize he has to shoot it and miss.This
doesn't mean its going to work but you never know.
Guy's have conceded games all the time and I think''good one less ball I have to shoot''.
I might be wrong but conceding games is not the issue I think your having
but more of why were conceding the games in the first place.(still not
sharking)
I've NEVER made someone shoot the last ball with BIH. NEVER. And I never will. No sharking, it's just that the game is over, let's play the next one. Not a big deal really.
I would NOT make an APA 3 shoot the shot with BIH.... the sooner I start the next game the better for me. So, not really sure that is sharking, but I guess someone could argue that it helps my mental game.... oh well... they can take the shot if they wanted, and NOBODy ever did....
I would NOT make an APA 3 shoot the shot with BIH.... the sooner I start the next game the better for me. So, not really sure that is sharking, but I guess someone could argue that it helps my mental game.... oh well... they can take the shot if they wanted, and NOBODy ever did....
The guy you bought that conceded the whole rack wasnt jack Hynes was it? he was famous for conceding whole racks but still getting there 90% of the time. Watched him concede two or three racks in a tournament once against mark Jarvis where mark broke well and had shaped on the one frustrating to say the least when you have a financial interest in the match and your horse is conceding racks
If a player is missing balls because they are wondering why their opponent is making them shoot has a lot of work to do.
Good one. ....
I love succinct statements like this so I will have a go at it; here is my add on to this sentence:
And those people that are conceding the game with the intention of not doing so later to "throw their opponent off", piss their opponent off or try make them miss a shot they would otherwise make are sharking, have a distorted view of what good sportsmanship is and are damaging to the sport in general; and it really doesn't matter what you are playing for; money, trophy or bragging rights. No matter what you are trying to affect an outcome from your chair as opposed to from behind the CB.
Well I wasn't entirely successful in my attempt at brevity so I will just go on; these people who try $h__ like this are people that for the most part think they're smarter than everybody else and are being "so clever" when they do it. They think that everyone around them is stupid, naive and couldn't possibly know or figure out what they are attempting to do. Those people are really delusional. The truth is 99% of the people in the immediate vicinity know exactly what they are trying to do especially if it's at a pool hall even if it's just for funzies.
The 15-17 year old kids on the next table might not know or recognize it but everybody else does; but these kinds of guys are either too dumb or have too big an ego to put that all together. Here is a related story some of you may find funny, it is on topic because we are talking about conceding & sharking.
I play regularly with this woman that usually hustles bangers for drinks at the local bar boxes. Occasionally she comes to shoot with the "real" players on the 9 footers. She has this shark of saying "good game" when you have an easy out. I find it amusing but some of the lesser players get a little ticked off at it. I had said to her the year beforehand when she did this to me "you know that is either a concession in which case is a loss for you or is a shark in which case the penalty is a loss of game; either way I automatically win, you know that right?" she said "uh huh".
It was a busy Saturday night and there were maybe 6 or 7 of us playing so losing meant sitting down for quite a while; I have a 3 ball out that is of medium difficulty and she says "good game". I stand up, look at her and start to pull the balls out of the pockets and she says "hey what the hell" and I say "I told you last year that is either a concession or a shark and in either case it's a loss for you"; a few soft snickers where heard and she rolled her eyes and sat down. No one else ever called her on it (I think because she's kind of hot). Some people just learn stuff a little late in life but at least she learned something because she doesn't do that anymore; at least not when I am in earshot & eyesight.
Creepy; really creepy even with the :smile: at the end.
I'll concede a hanger in a friendly game for chump change or the time, but other than that, NEVER!
I was on a short trip with Spanish Pete and Trini, and was playing a guy for $200/set giving up the six and the last four. I hung the 7 at hill-hill (@$#&!!!!!), and mentally prepared to dig the cash out and flip the coin. Pete came over and whispered, "Professor, just concede the ball and start the next set, bro!" I said, "HFN! He's got to make the ball for my money!" To our amazement (and glee), my opponent cut the hanging 7 thin with a medium stroke and came all the way back downtable to scratch in the opposite corner. It seems that under pressure he forgot the 7 was his game ball, and he was trying to get shape for the eight on the end rail.
Here's the kicker: I know that if he had won the first set I would never been able to come out ahead, since he's known by reputation to be a player who will definitely quit even rather than lose once he's been ahead. As it turned out, he kept up chasing that money for five more sets. Arithmetic is a popular word this week, so you can do the math on the value of not conceding. :smile:
I was on a short trip with Spanish Pete and Trini, and was playing a guy for $200/set giving up the six and the last four. I hung the 7 at hill-hill (@$#&!!!!!), and mentally prepared to dig the cash out and flip the coin. Pete came over and whispered, "Professor, just concede the ball and start the next set, bro!" I said, "HFN! He's got to make the ball for my money!" To our amazement (and glee), my opponent cut the hanging 7 thin with a medium stroke and came all the way back downtable to scratch in the opposite corner. It seems that under pressure he forgot the 7 was his game ball, and he was trying to get shape for the eight on the end rail.
Here's the kicker: I know that if he had won the first set I would never been able to come out ahead, since he's known by reputation to be a player who will definitely quit even rather than lose once he's been ahead. As it turned out, he kept up chasing that money for five more sets. Arithmetic is a popular word this week, so you can do the math on the value of not conceding. :smile:
PGH,
It was a movie reference. You must have never saw the movie "Get Him to the Greek". Funny stuff. Watch linke below. Lighten up pal. Don't be so Pittsburgh Serious.
FYI...I'm from Johnstown, PA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Anuo4_Tlo&feature=relmfu
I'm not going to go point counter point with you because you are very smart. But your point below highlighted in red is not accurate. No one thinks they are smarter than you. We just know your type, you know, the type that is wound up real tight and would be real easy to win against in the mental side of the sport. You are so convicted to the higher standard you are destined to lose to low life people like me. My best advise to you is to stay in the kiddy pool and don't venture out too far because life is full of creaps like me.
Actually I am not that bright, but thanks anyway.
I beg to differ; I think most people think they are smarter than most people, I am pretty sure about this, even though I haven't done a poll.
Really.
Maybe I am convicted to hold a higher standard than most; if you would do the same both YOU AND I would make more money off of pool than we do today, the difference between us is that I can see that and you can't, you are too worried about that $20 or $50 sitting on the light above the table.
Too late, where were you 25yrs ago when I needed this advice?
Ok I didn't get the movie reference; sorry about that, looks like a good movie also, but I am far from some kind of tight assed, holier than thou, snob; I am not. I do feel strongly about those who are not straight up and "play little games" with you while you're shooting. Most of it I just find amusing like Tammy's little shark (that's the woman I mentioned it my earlier post). But occasionally some of this stuff gets under my skin.
My feeling is that if you want to win (we all do) practice, play competitively, join a forum like this, watch some instructional videos, read some books, video yourself and work on the problems you see; and when you feel you have taken your game up a notch slap a Jackson or 2 on the rail and see if you have. Don't try this "mind f___king" thing; your not fooling very many people, it is disrespectful to others and lots of people are calling you "a sharker", "poor sportsman" or worse behind your back whether you know it or not because anyone over 25 that has been around the pool hall for any more than a couple of years knows exactly what you're trying to do.
It also isn't just that you are hurting yourself and your own reputation as a person and as a player you are hurting the sport in general and that I am never going to "take lightly". My words may seem harsh but blood is not coming out of my eyes right now, I am not slamming the keyboard and I am not bolding, underlining, resizing words and coloring them. I assure you I am quite calm. This is just a subject I happen to feel strongly about because it is one of the little things that is "keeping pool down". I really am a happy, footloose and fancy free kind of guy.
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Do not concede
A couple of points. While watching Dr. Cue do a show he had something to say about running a rack and having your opponent take the nine from you, or game ball depending on the game. He said he is taking the fun away from you and the distinct pleasure of hearing the ball hit the bottom of the pocket. It does make a distinctive sound.
Rules of the tournament may apply to why Earl waited. No Consessions?
But just think about all the stuff you do to prepare for the moment and as a final "not good gesture". Your opponent takes away your pleasure.
When this happens during the match as opposed to the last rack your opponent is stealing your momentum and the adrenaline rush from having run the rack, or just winning. This also speeds up the re-racking into the next game, if it's alternate breaks and his turn he is back in stroke quicker than having suffered the defeat. He gave it away and recaptures the momentum. So he doesn't feel so bad having not lost but having given it away.
Bottom line is if you want to give anything away don't let it be a game of pool. Give something worthwhile such as a donation to a good charatable cause.
As always straight-shooting and safe travels
ULTIMATE-BILL
A.K.A The Ultimate-lock
A couple of points. While watching Dr. Cue do a show he had something to say about running a rack and having your opponent take the nine from you, or game ball depending on the game. He said he is taking the fun away from you and the distinct pleasure of hearing the ball hit the bottom of the pocket. It does make a distinctive sound.
Rules of the tournament may apply to why Earl waited. No Consessions?
But just think about all the stuff you do to prepare for the moment and as a final "not good gesture". Your opponent takes away your pleasure.
When this happens during the match as opposed to the last rack your opponent is stealing your momentum and the adrenaline rush from having run the rack, or just winning. This also speeds up the re-racking into the next game, if it's alternate breaks and his turn he is back in stroke quicker than having suffered the defeat. He gave it away and recaptures the momentum. So he doesn't feel so bad having not lost but having given it away.
Bottom line is if you want to give anything away don't let it be a game of pool. Give something worthwhile such as a donation to a good charatable cause.
As always straight-shooting and safe travels
ULTIMATE-BILL
A.K.A The Ultimate-lock
its something I like when my opponents do it, therefore I do not.
Like I stated earlier, you are obsessed with my opinions. Please stop stalking me..