John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems

Centerball practically does the same thing as CJ's method. Athough you

aim at the far point instead of the near one, the whole pocket still comes

into play. However, the advantage with centerball is you only need feel

for speed, not for squirt.
 
only one in four people will even try something new

I always used what ever the shot called for.I have never intentionally try to deflect the cb to make the ob when it wasnt called for.Now you got me trying a knew approach on some shots and I think im going to like it but one must really put the time in .I can connect the balls very well and besides accelerating through the cb im also decelerating through it.(finding its limits from close and far)
To me after connecting the balls I feel like Im just aiming with speed.(dont make since but thats what is really feels like, speed aiming.).
Not sure how much you really use this this approach in your game but
It will become part of mine.:wink: Thank you!
This is probably one of the best aiming threads for me and at the start
I was scratching my head thinking know dang way some one would try this approach .Now ok maybe.:)

Nice post also,its a very uncomfortable feeling going inside the cb for probably most of us.

Anthony


Yes, Anthony, to get the answers we often must go inside. The thing about this is you have to take a few hours and DO IT EVERY TIME, or you won't benefit...if you try to it once in a while it will just mess you up.

I would do it for 3 hours straight, and use the touch of inside EVERY time and play shape how ever you can to use the touch of inside. If you don't want to do that I would suggest you put it on the shelf and continue to play the way you are.

This isn't for everyone, but it is the way to play at a super high speed. However, you MUST try to do it for a few hours to see how it changes the game. It's certainly a weapon if used correctly, and it makes the Game so much easier when you don't have to calculate for spin and deflection anymore....it's simple to make pool complicated, but this makes the Game simple.....touch of inside and accelerate, what could be easier :wink: ....the tough part is to get yourself to try it....from my experience only one in four people will even try something new....'The Game is the Teacher' ALOHA
 
no one can hit the exact center of the ball EVERY time

Centerball practically does the same thing as CJ's method. Athough you

aim at the far point instead of the near one, the whole pocket still comes

into play. However, the advantage with centerball is you only need feel

for speed, not for squirt.

The trouble is no one can hit the exact center of the ball EVERY time...I was known as one of the straightest shooters in history and I could only hit the exact center 90% of the time. If you think you can play as well as you would like, then continue to use center. Maybe you can hit it in the center every time, I hope so, or you may miss once in a while. :wink: But this system does more than just make the pocket bigger, it gives you a new dimention in your position play as well.
 
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The trouble is no one can hit the exact center of the ball EVERY time...I was known as one of the straightest shooters in history and I could only it the exact center 90% of the time. If you think you can play as well as you would like, then continue to use center. Maybe you can hit it in the center every time, I hope so, or you may miss once in a while. :wink: But this system does more than just make the pocket bigger, it gives you a new dimention in your position play as well.

CJ, I've read and mostly understood everything you've posted. Thank you for doing this btw. I've even incorporated your touch of inside method into certain shots which has (I admit) made them easier. However, I take issue with hitting every shot this way. I believe you would've been a champion using any method, as long as it suited your style. We all do it different because we are different. Please keep up the good work.
 
it's still going to be something you have to do....no one can do it for you

CJ, I've read and mostly understood everything you've posted. Thank you for doing this btw. I've even incorporated your touch of inside method into certain shots which has (I admit) made them easier. However, I take issue with hitting every shot this way. I believe you would've been a champion using any method, as long as it suited your style. We all do it different because we are different. Please keep up the good work.

I understand you "taking issue" with doing it every time. I do too. I have to make myself do it to get the results I speak of. But I had to make myself excersise, eat right, study, work hard, and most everything else in life that was "good for me".

You see using the "touch of inside" on every shot isn't about the "right way to play", it's far deeper than that. It's about learning a new perception/dimension in the Game. I way of playing that you CAN NOT find using english. When it comes to changing paradigms we just can't do it the "comfortable way" it seems in life, I wish we could. To uncover the secrets to many things require a sacrafice, or a willingness to go through discomfort or a period in time, especially in martial arts, meditation, spirituallity, health, or even business.

I wish healthy foods tasted better than unhealthy ones, but they don't....and this example is true in most things or everyone would do them....but few are willing to make the necessary changes or go though the trials and errors.

I'm just giving anyone that's really wanting to improve the chance to see the Game like a champion does and if there's a better way, then you tell me about it and we'll go though it together. If you choose not to try what I'm suggesting then by all means don't, it won't effect me at all.

I've went though a tremendous amount of pain to reach the levels I've reached....more than I can even imagine, and I"m just trying to give players a short cut, however, it's still going to be something you have to do....no one can do it for you.

Three hours of practicing something totally new and foreign doesn't sound like such a big price to pay to find out. I just wish someone would have given me this chance when I first started out. I had to wait til I had played 20 years before someone told me.
 
I've been adapting the touch of inside to my game and I've really seen a benefit for position play. The cue ball speed is reduced even though I've been firming the balls into the pockets. The key is to limit the follow through which can put spin on the cue ball.

I'm taking a few new tracks for position and holding the cue ball when I need to do it. The shots can be up to 5* and I still do a nice job of holding whitey. I haven't mastered top spin, but the controlled squirt has been making it easier to keep the cue ball on a string using it. Inside spin still results when I go above center.

Several posters have expressed skepticism with this mental exercise of gaining two thirds of the pocket to shoot into instead of aiming center pocket and having one third on each side. That's good! The more people that don't use this method the better. :smile:

Best,
Mike
 
See

I took a look at the "SEE" system last night on Mr. Eeekes's website. It seems a little simpler than the CTE - Pro 1. Has anyone really tried both & if so, could you please relay the Benefits of both or Drawbacks if any.

I definitly do not want to start a redo of 'The Revolutionary War'. I'm not English! I only shoot with it on most shots so maybe that can be a thought when relaying the B & D.

I would really prefer a fair comparison by those that have really given both a good try.

Thanks in advance,
RJ
 
I've been adapting the touch of inside to my game and I've really seen a benefit for position play. The cue ball speed is reduced even though I've been firming the balls into the pockets. The key is to limit the follow through which can put spin on the cue ball.

I'm taking a few new tracks for position and holding the cue ball when I need to do it. The shots can be up to 5* and I still do a nice job of holding whitey. I haven't mastered top spin, but the controlled squirt has been making it easier to keep the cue ball on a string using it. Inside spin still results when I go above center.

Several posters have expressed skepticism with this mental exercise of gaining two thirds of the pocket to shoot into instead of aiming center pocket and having one third on each side. That's good! The more people that don't use this method the better. :smile:

Best,
Mike

Mike, the part in red.... I just don't understand how you can be on here this long, participate as much as you do, and still think that followthrough can put more spin on a ball????

It is working for you, great. But, your assumptions as to why are off base.
 
you will have an arsenal of shots that players under Championship caliber don't have

I've been adapting the touch of inside to my game and I've really seen a benefit for position play. The cue ball speed is reduced even though I've been firming the balls into the pockets. The key is to limit the follow through which can put spin on the cue ball.

I'm taking a few new tracks for position and holding the cue ball when I need to do it. The shots can be up to 5* and I still do a nice job of holding whitey. I haven't mastered top spin, but the controlled squirt has been making it easier to keep the cue ball on a string using it. Inside spin still results when I go above center.

Several posters have expressed skepticism with this mental exercise of gaining two thirds of the pocket to shoot into instead of aiming center pocket and having one third on each side. That's good! The more people that don't use this method the better. :smile:

Best,
Mike

You are on the right track...and yes, the follow through should be no longer than your backstroke in most cases. You are also discovering that the firmer you hit the cue ball the more accurate it is.

Keep this up and you will transition into being able to make the game do what you want it to do. ..sometimes the table just won't give you the right opportunities to play conventionally and with this ability that you're learning you will have an arsenal of shots that players under Championship caliber simply don't have.

You're right, only a small percentage of players will go to the trouble to practice this for 3 hours to find out what they're missing. This is just human nature at it's finest. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
I took a look at the "SEE" system last night on Mr. Eeekes's website. It seems a little simpler than the CTE - Pro 1. Has anyone really tried both & if so, could you please relay the Benefits of both or Drawbacks if any.

I definitly do not want to start a redo of 'The Revolutionary War'. I'm not English! I only shoot with it on most shots so maybe that can be a thought when relaying the B & D.

I would really prefer a fair comparison by those that have really given both a good try.

Thanks in advance,
RJ

Please don't get them started, it's like comparing apples and oranges...LoL
 
I'll just be the Referee ;-)

Hey there, SJD!

This thread has close to 1500 postings (currently #3 on the all-time post rankings) and is still going strong! The A.S.S. still haven't even brought out the heavy artillery yet so me thinks this thread has another 500 postings left. :wink: :grin:

Maybe we can have a match between the A.S.S. (Aiming System Supporters) and the L.O.S.S. (League of SHort Stops)....I think we could put this on P.P.V. :wink:
 
Maybe we can have a match between the A.S.S. (Aiming System Supporters) and the L.O.S.S. (League of SHort Stops)....I think we could put this on P.P.V. :wink:

CJ,

If you referee, do you think would be calling more fouls on the A.S.S. for employing 'feel' or on the L.O.S.S. for employing some system?:wink:

RJ

PS Could you be little more specific with reagrd to practice by hitting balls 'from off the rail' for Bruce's sake.
 
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Several posters have expressed skepticism with this mental exercise of gaining two thirds of the pocket to shoot into instead of aiming center pocket and having one third on each side.
Your stroke is still your stroke, so you'll still miss one third on each side. This isn't "skepticism"; it's realism.

pj
chgo
 
Lighten up. SJD is one of our best satirical writers, especially when writing about aiming systems. Surely, you can see the humor and playful sarcasm in SJD's postings?

Allen:

I can see the "humor and playful sarcasm in SJD's postings" alright, but I can't see the purpose in bringing his old posts back into the conversation unless it is just meant to stir things up. Was that your purpose?

Roger
 
Allen:

I can see the "humor and playful sarcasm in SJD's postings" alright, but I can't see the purpose in bringing his old posts back into the conversation unless it is just meant to stir things up. Was that your purpose?

Roger

Oh come on, Roger, would PSA ever stir the stuff here on AZB?

:rotflmao1:
 
8pack- I don't think about cueing a hair inside. I think that I'm cueing with center ball and my subconscious takes over. I use speed to determine what I need to do with the cue ball and pocket the balls.

Another interesting aspect is when you need to use outside spin. I aim the ball thinner and stay close to center. I get the outside spin and the squirt makes the ball. I aim thin on the pocket and have the big part of the pocket as a margin for error.

The subtle details about new position tracks are worth the time it takes to get good with this method. Some may not agree with the pocketing logic, but the added position play you can achieve opens up a lot of possibilities. Like I said, CJ's right. Watch the Efren vids. You'll pick up on it and more.

Just a kid with a new toy.:smile:

Best,
Mike
 
8pack- I don't think about cueing a hair inside. I think that I'm cueing with center ball and my subconscious takes over. I use speed to determine what I need to do with the cue ball and pocket the balls.

Another interesting aspect is when you need to use outside spin. I aim the ball thinner and stay close to center. I get the outside spin and the squirt makes the ball. I aim thin on the pocket and have the big part of the pocket as a margin for error.

The subtle details about new position tracks are worth the time it takes to get good with this method. Some may not agree with the pocketing logic, but the added position play you can achieve opens up a lot of possibilities. Like I said, CJ's right. Watch the Efren vids. You'll pick up on it and more.

Just a kid with a new toy.:smile:

Best,
Mike

Mike I've got where I connect one part of the cb and that one part only to the ob.This point is very clear to me.(no guessing)
I play with a ld shaft so my point is more than a hair off center.(not a lot though). I'm not sure but I think CJ said accelerating through the ball you will have better results as if you where coming through at it with a slower speed .That's what I'm finding out from practicing it.
I'm doing drill's with this and I have to say its been well worth it.

I'm going to watch some of Efren's matches maybe I can pick up on it.

Anthony
 
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