John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems

Neil said:
The shaft won't have as much influence as you would think because you are essentially hitting center ball. You are essentially trying to hit center cb, but favoring the inside just a hair. That way, if you don't go quite straight, you will still hit the correct side of the cb, which is just a hair, not a tip, but a hair of inside.

That is why he says "no spin", you aren't hitting it enough to the inside to put enough spin on it to matter. Now, the drawback is, if you can't reliably hit the cb where you want to, and you go for a hair of inside, you will be putting more than a hair of inside on it, and will get some spin. Then, the whole equation changes due to amount of squirt from each shaft, and amount of spin you actually put on it . Which, if too much, you will miss due to throw of the ob the opposite way.

Technically, even hitting a hair off center will put spin on the cb. But, it is so small that it is of little consequence. Basically, if you can't now hit center ball reliably, this is not going to help you because you will be putting english or spin on the cb. His technique is more of a mental trick than a physical trick. You just want to tell your subconscious that if you don't hit center cb, you want to favor the inside cb. You don't actually try and hit inside, or you will be spinning the cb. You aim for center, but favor the inside mentally.
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Neil I think its more than just a hair maybe.I think the whole point is CJ is deflecting the cue ball to send the ob to the pocket,there for he is coming at the shot thick.(undercutting it )
The toughest part for some mite be connecting the balls.
Lets add in trying to hit off center a hair,that itself can cause all sorts of trouble.
 
You lose the spin with the ball collision and the effect of the balls rubbing against each other. It changes with cut angle. I've been studying Efren's videos and he uses it quite a bit. It's consistent with the way I remember other players controlling their cue ball throughout my playing experience. A lot of them were A list afficionados.

Killing the cue ball, especially on the "new" cloth, gave me fits when I started back playing. I think this technique is def the biggest fish food I've tasted in quite a while. :cool:

Best,
Mike
 
it's done by hitting it with a "touch of inside" Below center

Mikjary said:
You lose the spin with the ball collision and the effect of the balls rubbing against each other. It changes with cut angle. I've been studying Efren's videos and he uses it quite a bit. It's consistent with the way I remember other players controlling their cue ball throughout my playing experience. A lot of them were A list afficionados.

Killing the cue ball, especially on the "new" cloth, gave me fits when I started back playing. I think this technique is def the biggest fish food I've tasted in quite a while. :cool:

Best,
Mike
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Yes, the thing is "No Spin" isn't achieved by hitting the ball in the center, it's done by hitting it with a "touch of inside" Below center. This is the type shot that after contact with the object ball just appears to "float" to the next position.

My road partner when I was in my teens was "OMAHA JOHN" and he was a tremendous unknown player (until he won the World Series of Tavern Pool), and he used to tell me to imagine floating the cue ball around the table by stunning it and forcing it rather than rolling it.

He did this by hitting the cue ball slightly to the inside. Then I noticed a lot of the top "Money Players" did it that way. I just took it a step farther and learned to do it with all of my shots (with a few exceptions).
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
Yes, the thing is "No Spin" isn't achieved by hitting the ball in the center, it's done by hitting it with a "touch of inside" Below center. This is the type shot that after contact with the object ball just appears to "float" to the next position.

My road partner when I was in my teens was "OMAHA JOHN" and he was a tremendous unknown player (until he won the World Series of Tavern Pool), and he used to tell me to imagine floating the cue ball around the table by stunning it and forcing it rather than rolling it.

He did this by hitting the cue ball slightly to the inside. Then I noticed a lot of the top "Money Players" did it that way. I just took it a step farther and learned to do it with all of my shots (with a few exceptions).
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I noticed the dynamics of the stoke change when you get above center. Hitting top spin is not as much "fun". Plus you're not killing the cue ball. It's not floating with a natural, no spin type of movement.

When I first tried to double the corner for pos', I thought I would reverse and stick to a shallow angle coming off the rails. When you hit the shot good, it doubles nicely on a more natural angle without picking up running english off of the object ball. I like that. It's a whole lot more predictable for shape and speed with less spin. The KISS principle applies here.

I heard about you, John and Dave travelling around. And John was the weak player! OMG!:grin:

Best,
Mike
 
Turn Your Weaknesses Into a Strength is a VERY Good First Step Towards Improvement

8pack said:
Neil I think its more than just a hair maybe.I think the whole point is CJ is deflecting the cue ball to send the ob to the pocket,there for he is coming at the shot thick.(undercutting it )
The toughest part for some mite be connecting the balls.
Lets add in trying to hit off center a hair,that itself can cause all sorts of trouble.
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It will cause all sorts of troube if you don't experience deflection as a positive factor instead of a negative one.

Everyone talks about "adjusting for squirt and deflection"....let me ask you this, do they consider it a positive influence (squirt and deflection) or a negative one? It's going to happen in your game whether you like it or not...my opinion is you should like it, use it, and turn "it" into a weapon instead of an excuse, that causes you to miss shots and positions. I've personally NEVER heard a pro talk about deflection being a negative factor and I'll bet you haven't either.... then why do think that is? :eek:

USE deflection and it helps you enjoy a bigger zoned pocket.....fail to use it and try to "adjust for it".....well, that's a sentence to pool purgatory because players that take this route NEVER get much better. That's been proven by many, many players that want to get better at this Game and can't figure out why they don't....Turn Your Weaknesses Into a Strength is a VERY Good First Step Towards Improvement. imho:eek:
 
Quote from Legend ...So what's the "one thing" that makes all cte systems work? And "if most cte users dont even understand what makes cte systems work" then how are they even able to use CTE? :rolleyes:


There is no 1 thing that makes it work, "Things that make Me go hmmmmmm"
 
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it must "allow a player to tap into the perfection that already exists in the Game

peteypooldude said:
Quote from Legend ...So what's the "one thing" that makes all cte systems work? And "if most cte users dont even understand what makes cte systems work" then how are they even able to use CTE? :rolleyes:


There is no 1 thing that makes it work, "Things that make Me go hmmmmmm"
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The thing that makes it work is it must "allow a player to tap into the perfection that already exists in the Game to create any angle needed to pocket any ball"....just off the top of my head, but that's what my system does and CTE is probably as good or better. imho
 
Actually, there are 2 things that drive CTE.
Perception and a slight rotation to center cue ball.
There are only 2 CTE perceptions and all shots go with those 2 perceptions.
It's simply see a CTE perception and then it's a natural movement to center cue ball.
It's that simple.
And yes, I am aware that a physical stroke must occur and a straight stroke requires a lot of work to obtain. And there is nothing wrong with hitting a million balls. I still hope I can hit a million more.
Stan Shuffett
 
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cjssecrets4u2 said:
It will cause all sorts of troube if you don't experience deflection as a positive factor instead of a negative one.

Everyone talks about "adjusting for squirt and deflection"....let me ask you this, do they consider it a positive influence (squirt and deflection) or a negative one? It's going to happen in your game whether you like it or not...my opinion is you should like it, use it, and turn "it" into a weapon instead of an excuse, that causes you to miss shots and positions. I've personally NEVER heard a pro talk about deflection being a negative factor and I'll bet you haven't either.... then why do think that is? :eek:

USE deflection and it helps you enjoy a bigger zoned pocket.....fail to use it and try to "adjust for it".....well, that's a sentence to pool purgatory because players that take this route NEVER get much better. That's been proven by many, many players that want to get better at this Game and can't figure out why they don't....Turn Your Weaknesses Into a Strength is a VERY Good First Step Towards Improvement. imho:eek:
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Agreed. It's physics. It's there. It can not be avoided. You better embrass it & use it to your advantage.

RJ
 
Here is why it works........

peteypooldude said:
Quote from Legend ...So what's the "one thing" that makes all cte systems work? And "if most cte users dont even understand what makes cte systems work" then how are they even able to use CTE? :rolleyes:


There is no 1 thing that makes it work, "Things that make Me go hmmmmmm"
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It works because it gets you dialed into the correct, very close, very precise, angle. AND, then the player uses a small amount of 'pocket sense' , to fine tune it. It requires both items. I use it, and trust me, i play for 8 to 10 hours a day, and usually miss only one ball a day. If that much !
 
Yoda4962 said:
It works because it gets you dialed into the correct, very close, very precise, angle. AND, then the player uses a small amount of 'pocket sense' , to fine tune it. It requires both items. I use it, and trust me, i play for 8 to 10 hours a day, and usually miss only one ball a day. If that much !
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easy there, i use cte/pro1 and i can easily miss 2 shots in a 30 second span and have many a time :grin: i could fix up your description of cte but i will leave it.
 
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Yoda4962 said:
It works because it gets you dialed into the correct, very close, very precise, angle. AND, then the player uses a small amount of 'pocket sense' , to fine tune it. It requires both items. I use it, and trust me, i play for 8 to 10 hours a day, and usually miss only one ball a day. If that much !
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You may need to give me a lesson;) PM me if you need a sparring partner for the US OPEN.
 
SJDinPHX said:
PJ, you are certainly a persistent cuss. I admire that in a guy, and Lou has been right there with you. It does not surprise me, that the A.S.S. (Aiming System Supporters) have risen up, in their usual attempts, to smite the mighty, sacriligious dragon, that they percieve HAMB (aka,NAYSAYER'S) to be.

Too bad JoeyA has his hands full with 'Isaac' or he'd be right in here I'm sure. Sincerely hope he and his family are out of harms way.

It is hard to fathom, that the A.S.S guys, have risen up, to defend their turf, over a few remarks by a few 'top player's...Over 500 posts (some of record lengths..All WITHOUT JoeyA, leading the charge...I am tired of typing already, but hang in there guys, it should be over in about 600-800 more...The A.S.S. have not even brought out the heavy artillery YET..I scanned through the thread, and did not see any of their infallable, proof positive, "Line Diagram's".

Good Luck in APA land, guys..They'll figure it all out someday...or NOT ! :boring2: :boring2:

SJD
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Hey there, SJD!

This thread has close to 1500 postings (currently #3 on the all-time post rankings) and is still going strong! The A.S.S. still haven't even brought out the heavy artillery yet so me thinks this thread has another 500 postings left. :wink: :grin:
 
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Is it time to bring up the Ultimate Pool Secrets?

JB Cases said:
Is CJ Wiley an A.S.S. as well?
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I've been called worse...LoL...Is it time to bring out the Ultimate Pool Secrets?
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cjssecrets4u2 said:
It will cause all sorts of troube if you don't experience deflection as a positive factor instead of a negative one.

Everyone talks about "adjusting for squirt and deflection"....let me ask you this, do they consider it a positive influence (squirt and deflection) or a negative one? It's going to happen in your game whether you like it or not...my opinion is you should like it, use it, and turn "it" into a weapon instead of an excuse, that causes you to miss shots and positions. I've personally NEVER heard a pro talk about deflection being a negative factor and I'll bet you haven't either.... then why do think that is? :eek:

USE deflection and it helps you enjoy a bigger zoned pocket.....fail to use it and try to "adjust for it".....well, that's a sentence to pool purgatory because players that take this route NEVER get much better. That's been proven by many, many players that want to get better at this Game and can't figure out why they don't....Turn Your Weaknesses Into a Strength is a VERY Good First Step Towards Improvement. imho:eek:
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I always used what ever the shot called for.I have never intentionally try to deflect the cb to make the ob when it wasnt called for.Now you got me trying a knew approach on some shots and I think im going to like it but one must really put the time in .I can connect the balls very well and besides accelerating through the cb im also decelerating through it.(finding its limits from close and far)
To me after connecting the balls I feel like Im just aiming with speed.(dont make since but thats what is really feels like, speed aiming.).
Not sure how much you really use this this approach in your game but
It will become part of mine.:wink: Thank you!
This is probably one of the best aiming threads for me and at the start
I was scratching my head thinking know dang way some one would try this approach .Now ok maybe.:)

Nice post also,its a very uncomfortable feeling going inside the cb for probably most of us.

Anthony
 
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