You know that the printed word lacks inflection and it's not always easy to question on a forum without offending.
I would hope as a big time gambler he has thicker skin than that anyway.
What's Good About A Good Stroke?
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You know that the printed word lacks inflection and it's not always easy to question on a forum without offending.
I would hope as a big time gambler he has thicker skin than that anyway.
The cue can't be level with the CB on the rail or you'll miscue. That means you must hit downward on the CB, which will cause more swerve than usual - so much more that you often have to aim on the opposite side of the OB (opposite from the side you normally aim on to compensate for squirt).
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I hear you. I've said the same thing about lack of tone & inflection in text both here on AZB & to my children with regards to texting vs. an actual call in real voice.
Like you, I'm fairly sure his skin is thick enough, but I doubt he has much experience or inclination in competing with keyboard warriors.
His style of ignoring is apparently different than mine.
PJ,
In 46 years, I don't think I've ever shot that way from off of the rail for that simple fact.
I place the cue on the rail top with the cue as level as possible & slow to medium roll it, especially if using top side english. I've never aimed at the opposite side & I have very rarely completely missed the OB.
Although I agree if one elevates the cue & shoots with any real speed one will probably mis the shot as do many a novice. When one does shoot that way & makes the shot as intended, I know I better watch out.
Regards,
Patrick I was trying to distinguish between a "normal" off the rail (slight elevation) and an unusually high elevation of the butt. Normally you wouldn't expect the condition of "elevated" to be included for a normal stroke.
BTW, I shoot pretty close to level for a CB on the rail.
Greg,
I certainly agree with that.
My thought of a thumbs up or down for posts would simply be an opinion vote. I do not think it would be any pressure other than to suggest that the poster re-consider 'their opinion'. It would certainly not be of any conclusive value. As I clarified, I was thinking more along the lines of civility than information related. Or maybe there could be two(2) sections, one for civility & one for information. As I said it was just a thought & maybe a bad one.
Best Regards,
Speaking of ignoring, I notice you have some of the best most knowledgeable posters on your list, If you come here to learn I really think your missing out on some good debate, IMHO.
Since you have sort of asked(baited) me.
Since joining in June, the only things, new to me, that I can take to the table to possibly improve my game have come from CJ & something on Dr. Dave's site that I was reminded of, that I had learned long ago but have not been applying totally correctly as of late.
I have seen no useful information, for me, from Scott Lee, Neil, Sean, or nobcitypool. However, when I have questioned their information & they have been unable to get me 'onboard', I have been the recipient of much childish ridicule & belittlement.
It is at times difficult to not respond in 'kind', so...for the betterment of the AZB general public, I have chosen to place them on 'ignore' in hope of avoiding useless personal attack word wars that benefit no one.
I am fairly sure that when ever they can, they will continue to belittle me, ridicule me, & continue to make false assumptions & perhaps false statements where I am concerned, especially since doing so will go unabated.
I will leave it to the AZB general public to make their own evaluations.
Regards,
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I would challenge you to show me where I belittled you prior to you putting me on your ignore list. I don't need to belittle you or attempt to make you look like a moron, you do an adequate job of that all by yourself dude.
BTW, the place already has a thumbs up/down, it the little thing you click for reputation. You really should rethink that request, were it to happen, your ego might be severely damaged when you see what many people think of you here. That apparently is important to you. Lonely, strange man looking for love and acceptance on an internet site. Strange.
BTW, the place already has a thumbs up/down, it the little thing you click for reputation. You really should rethink that request, were it to happen, your ego might be severely damaged when you see what many people think of you here. That apparently is important to you. Lonely, strange man looking for love and acceptance on an internet site. Strange.
i was talking elevated butt, CB will swerve a lot, and if you have high deflection cue it might offset the swerve a little. Similarly, if you shoot with english and level cue, CB will go at different path depending on cue deflection and bridge location, no swerve here, weather shooting soft or hard.
Only if you shoot with no LH or RH english CB will go at same direction as cue.
Sorry to sound elementary here but to give the idea.
Bitter? Yes, I guess I am. I am because this forum is one of the very few places one can go to learn solid info for free. You, by your own words, don't care about that at all. You aren't interested in the least in providing solid info, and have yet to back up anything you claim with anything other than I am a champion, so do it.
Look at post #625, that right there is the problem. Some don't care what you post, they are going to try it anyways. Even if it is only a temporary psychological fix. Just because a champion said it. You might as well tell them to buy a new cue, it has the same temporary effect on their game.
Many of us want this place to stay a place where one can reliably go to get good solid info. You don't care about that at all, your only interest is to get your name back out there, and make DVD sales. Your posts show that you aren't really interested in actually helping people. You never answer any questions to anyones satisfaction. You take your status as a previous champion and use it to benefit only yourself, not others. As long as someone says you helped them at least temporarily, you are happy. You don't care about all the others that you might be hurting with the stuff you put out. You have even gone as far as to try and discredit the actual proven science of the game because you didn't know about it.
Bitter? Yes. Bitter that a champion would come on here soley as a salesman under the guise of an instructor. A salesman that only cares about the sale, and the heck with what happens afterwards.
Bitter about being a B player? I'm not, so why should I be? Bitter that I'm not better than I am? Not in the least. Why should I be? There's only room at the top for a few, as you know. Which is why you don't play anymore. Other than those few, there is nothing there. All you are doing is conning people to sell DVD's, and I and others take that as a great offense to this forum. So, as long as you or anyone else puts out nonsense, we will be all over you. You put out solid info, we may disagree, but we will back you. You want to call yourself an instructor, then instruct.[/QUOTE]
mercy, why don't you tell us how you really feel about me
The Key to the Game is in the Fingers, strong or weak
If you hold a hammer in your palms then this is NOT FOR YOU. I'm talking about a grip where you hold the hammer/cue in your fingers so that you can feel the cue/hammer as much as possible.
There are MANY ways to play this game and personal preference, so if throw a ball without your fingers/wrist, throw a dart with no fingers/wrist or use a hammer with no fingers/wrist, then you have a different way of doing things than I do, and that's fine.
I'm ONLY talking to players that have the "Touch" in their fingers and experience life/games/sports/ through that type of "connection".
The hammer motion is one that delivers the maximum force to the tip (for lack of a better word) of the hammer. If you uncocked your wrist where it contacts the nail and then locked your wrist and pounded the nail in that position (with no wrist) that's one way of doing it and many players play this way.
I use a system where I pre cock my wrist/fingers and create a "groove" where my wrists/fingers must move UP AND DOWN, with no SIDE TO SIDE motion at all. It's the "Side to Side" movement that throws your cue off line and causes you to miss hit the cue ball.
When you HINGE your wrist/fingers the cue MUST go down that "groove" and CAN NOT miss hit the cue ball to the Left OR the Right!!! This put you in a positon where you MUST hit the cue ball straight. This is how champion players hit the ball so straight, we simply CAN'T do it wrong.
I'm not saying all champions do it like I do it, but they do it in their own way. We MUST create a groove/slot/hinge (whatever you want to call it) so that the cue contacts the cue ball on a straight line EVERY TIME!
If you cock your wrist/fingers up slightly and then pounded the nail you would have some "wrist/finger flick" to add to the acceleration when you hit the nail.
If you cock your wrist/fingers more you will have more "wrist flick" and you could continue this until you cocked the hammer completely up and then you would have the maximum "wrist/finger flick" when you hit the nail.
I "pre cock" my wrist/fingers more than many other players, therefore I have more energy produced from my wrist/fingers at the moment of contact. Even with this happening it is so slight that you can't see me doing it. This is the issue with trying to learn the subtle secrets that the pros are doing, you can't see it being done. I'm tryin to give you a way to FEEL what it's like by using the hammer. This is a small powerful motion that you can only see on the break for the most part.
Watch the top professionals before they get down to shoot and you see them stroking their cue in the air. They are establishing their wrist/finger motion for the stroke they are about to shoot. We aren't stroking the cue to make sure it slides between our fingers smoothly, even though that is preferable, we're PREPARING our hand for the shot at hand. {pun intended}
The Key to Pool is in the Hands/Fingers/Wrists, so make sure you learn to Prepare Them For Success. 'The Game is the Teacher'
If you hold a hammer in your palms then this is NOT FOR YOU. I'm talking about a grip where you hold the hammer/cue in your fingers so that you can feel the cue/hammer as much as possible.
There are MANY ways to play this game and personal preference, so if throw a ball without your fingers/wrist, throw a dart with no fingers/wrist or use a hammer with no fingers/wrist, then you have a different way of doing things than I do, and that's fine.
I'm ONLY talking to players that have the "Touch" in their fingers and experience life/games/sports/ through that type of "connection".
The hammer motion is one that delivers the maximum force to the tip (for lack of a better word) of the hammer. If you uncocked your wrist where it contacts the nail and then locked your wrist and pounded the nail in that position (with no wrist) that's one way of doing it and many players play this way.
I use a system where I pre cock my wrist/fingers and create a "groove" where my wrists/fingers must move UP AND DOWN, with no SIDE TO SIDE motion at all. It's the "Side to Side" movement that throws your cue off line and causes you to miss hit the cue ball.
When you HINGE your wrist/fingers the cue MUST go down that "groove" and CAN NOT miss hit the cue ball to the Left OR the Right!!! This put you in a positon where you MUST hit the cue ball straight. This is how champion players hit the ball so straight, we simply CAN'T do it wrong.
I'm not saying all champions do it like I do it, but they do it in their own way. We MUST create a groove/slot/hinge (whatever you want to call it) so that the cue contacts the cue ball on a straight line EVERY TIME!
If you cock your wrist/fingers up slightly and then pounded the nail you would have some "wrist/finger flick" to add to the acceleration when you hit the nail.
If you cock your wrist/fingers more you will have more "wrist flick" and you could continue this until you cocked the hammer completely up and then you would have the maximum "wrist/finger flick" when you hit the nail.
I "pre cock" my wrist/fingers more than many other players, therefore I have more energy produced from my wrist/fingers at the moment of contact. Even with this happening it is so slight that you can't see me doing it. This is the issue with trying to learn the subtle secrets that the pros are doing, you can't see it being done. I'm tryin to give you a way to FEEL what it's like by using the hammer. This is a small powerful motion that you can only see on the break for the most part.
Watch the top professionals before they get down to shoot and you see them stroking their cue in the air. They are establishing their wrist/finger motion for the stroke they are about to shoot. We aren't stroking the cue to make sure it slides between our fingers smoothly, even though that is preferable, we're PREPARING our hand for the shot at hand. {pun intended}
The Key to Pool is in the Hands/Fingers/Wrists, so make sure you learn to Prepare Them For Success. 'The Game is the Teacher'
the more you elevate the butt the more it will swerve, I always find when using english for a CB on the rail a flat firmer stroke imparts less swerve.
At the end of the day you are going to have to compensate some if you depart from center ball..
Now, that's MUCH better.
Naji, as others stated, the cb will swerve when you are elevated a little and use english. For this reason, when on the rail, most players will make sure to use a center ball hit only, and just try and play for what position they can get using just speed. Making sure they make the ball.
The farther out from center you hit, the more masse' effect yo will get. Few are adept enough with masse' shots to use them on an open shot just for position, so you are better off just using center ball.
If you find that you must use some english, you have to adjust your aim the same as you would for a small masse' shot. There are very good guidelines to go by, but there is still a lot of feel to the shot.
I'll let it go with I did way back when, remember??:wink:
Thanks for letting it go way back when I remember.
I was talking about the pm's I had sent you. I don't believe we have ever met unless you were at Glass City Open 2004.