I also have no problem with miscues when hitting balls frozen to the rail with a fairly level cue. I am curious, however, with your use of the term "firmer stroke". Do you mean to hit it with more speed?
What's Good About A Good Stroke?
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I also have no problem with miscues when hitting balls frozen to the rail with a fairly level cue. I am curious, however, with your use of the term "firmer stroke". Do you mean to hit it with more speed?
Exactly you have to compensate for aim, and that is my issue with PJ, and Neil , CB does not go at the same direction as the cue when english is applied; does that mean stroke definition that PJ and Neil uses is for 100% straight shots no english??
Yes, seems with a soft stroke the masse is more immediate.
No, it doesn't. It just means that if you are going to masse' a shot, you have to change your aim line to start with.
Not sure what aim has to do with stroke. I can put a pretty good stroke on a ball with my eyes closed
We can hardly ever shoot with a really level cue, but on the rail it's even more elevated than usual - so there's more swerve than usual. That's what I'm getting at.
Our cues usually aren't as level as we think - that's why I point it out, even for normal (away from the rail) shots. It's unavoidable that the cue will be even more elevated for rail-frozen shots.
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P.S. I'm not as familiar with the rail profile on snooker tables, so there might be less unavoidable extra elevation there.
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Heres what I mean by normal as a reference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3wcB1mHMCzE#t=50s
Yes, it looks like snooker rails are much flatter than pool rails. On most pool tables the cushion nose is considerably below the top of the rail, and you must hit the CB pretty much right above the nose to avoid miscueing - so the cue must be elevated more.
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It's like the old days in pool rooms where you had to play everyone
It's such a simple concept, but challenging to describe in writing. Challenges make life worth living, especially in this situation. It's like the old days in pool rooms where you had to play everyone and they just lined up to "learn". :thumbup2:
It's such a simple concept, but challenging to describe in writing. Challenges make life worth living, especially in this situation. It's like the old days in pool rooms where you had to play everyone and they just lined up to "learn". :thumbup2:
Power level of stroke
I think most important factor behind a good stroke is to determine the accurate power level that is to be used for the stroke to send the cue ball in intended target. So one should divide his shots in various levels of speed and should practice at each speed level to get the perfection.
I think most important factor behind a good stroke is to determine the accurate power level that is to be used for the stroke to send the cue ball in intended target. So one should divide his shots in various levels of speed and should practice at each speed level to get the perfection.
Some player use a number system to help them with speed control, for example imagine a power scale from 1 to 5 in your head and apply different levels of power and record them in your memory, the reaction however has many variables such as distance between OB and CB and the point of contact of the tip on the CB.
CJ, you apparently need to understand something about how a professional nailer actually works. You are right in one thing, it can be analogous to a good pool stroke. However, not in the way you describe.
A professional nailer, someone who may nail thousands of nails per day, keeps a fairly light grip and lets the weight of the hammer do the work. If you try that wrist cock crap and attempt to use the muscles in your wrist to accelerate the hammer, you're going to need surgery to repair carpal tunnel syndrome in a relatively short period of time. If those muscles in the wrist are tightened at the time of impact, the vibration/shock coming back through the handle of the hammer will tear the joint up in a fairly short time period.
A professional nailer, someone who may nail thousands of nails per day, keeps a fairly light grip and lets the weight of the hammer do the work. If you try that wrist cock crap and attempt to use the muscles in your wrist to accelerate the hammer, you're going to need surgery to repair carpal tunnel syndrome in a relatively short period of time. If those muscles in the wrist are tightened at the time of impact, the vibration/shock coming back through the handle of the hammer will tear the joint up in a fairly short time period.
I grew up hammering nails and so did Earl Stickland and Wade Crane
Yes, luckily playing pool takes a lot less effort than hammering nails, it's all about leverage. The hammer simply teaches how to create "potential energy" and how to deliver "kinetic energy". It's not about actually hammering nails. Don't confuse the message with the "messager". :wink:
My father was a carpender and owned a lumber yard. I grew up hammering nails and so did Earl Stickland and Wade Crane (R.I.P.-Billy Johnson). We all have really strong strokes and hammering nails certainly was a factor. Wade was a really good friend and went my pool room every day and his grip could crush the "normal hand".
Wade taught me his technique to the break and it involved this wrist movement and one other "element" that gave him tremendous power. You probably have to have a strong grip to play like we play, or be willing to do some hand strengthening excersises. I'm not sure about that part, and I do know it's about getting leverage.
That slot I speak of is essential to develop and it will be done with your wrist/fingers, in my opinion anyway. When I'm training to play I make sure I have absolutely NO play in my wrist to the left or right. I want my wrists to move up and down ONLY in my stroke. If you don't undersand that just put in on a shelf, it may be worth looking into later. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Yes, luckily playing pool takes a lot less effort than hammering nails, it's all about leverage. The hammer simply teaches how to create "potential energy" and how to deliver "kinetic energy". It's not about actually hammering nails. Don't confuse the message with the "messager". :wink:
My father was a carpender and owned a lumber yard. I grew up hammering nails and so did Earl Stickland and Wade Crane (R.I.P.-Billy Johnson). We all have really strong strokes and hammering nails certainly was a factor. Wade was a really good friend and went my pool room every day and his grip could crush the "normal hand".
Wade taught me his technique to the break and it involved this wrist movement and one other "element" that gave him tremendous power. You probably have to have a strong grip to play like we play, or be willing to do some hand strengthening excersises. I'm not sure about that part, and I do know it's about getting leverage.
That slot I speak of is essential to develop and it will be done with your wrist/fingers, in my opinion anyway. When I'm training to play I make sure I have absolutely NO play in my wrist to the left or right. I want my wrists to move up and down ONLY in my stroke. If you don't undersand that just put in on a shelf, it may be worth looking into later. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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