WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?

[Neil]

You've analyzed his stroke. That's comforting, are you also analyzing Tiger Wood's Golf Swing, Bjorn Borg and Roger Federer's Tennis Swing and Nolan Ryan's Fast Ball?

I'm sure you would be JUST as "expert" at that....or would think your are.

There you go with your condescending crap again. No, I don't know anything about golf or tennis, and very little about baseball. Nice to know that only a world champ can possibly know anything about how to play pool. Too bad a lot of what you think you are doing isn't even what you are doing. If you bothered to watch your own videos, you would know that.

In the 3 part pocket thread, you posted a video for everyone to look at. You stated that you used the touch of inside on at least 80% of the shots. Well, guess what CJ? I did study it, and you are mistaken on what you think you are doing. Going by the action of the cb, which doesn't ever lie, you used a touch of inside on about 30% of the shots in the first 5 racks you shot in, at best. Easy to tell by anyone that knows how and why balls react the way they do.

You want to scoff at the science of billiards, and you are right in that one doesn't need it to play very well. No one ever said one did. But, if you want to teach how to play, you should at least know what you are actually doing, and not just what you think you are doing. Because when you just start teaching what you think you are doing, you (meaning anyone) will often be wrong and start giving out bad info. So, do you actually want to help people on here, or just give out any ol' info, regardless of it being right or wrong?

You say no one needs any of the info presented to play well. True. So, in retrospect, why should anyone bother to buy your DVD's? Every top pro out there got where they are without them. Really, sorry your ego has gotten bruised on here. That wasn't anyones intention. But, you have done it to yourself. You can mock all you want at the knowledge out there. It just makes you look petty. Do you really think that just because someone misses more than you that they don't know anything about how to play?? You can't really be that naive.

And, you are the one that keeps mentioning other sports, you don't have any titles in them, so why bring them up at all if no one but a champ can possibly know anything?

 

[CJ Wiley]

Sorry you feel that way.

And, you are the one that keeps mentioning other sports, you don't have any titles in them, so why bring them up at all if no one but a champ can possibly know anything?[/QUOTE]

Sorry you feel that way.

 

[CJ Wiley]

And, you are the one that keeps mentioning other sports, you don't have any titles in them, so why bring them up at all if no one but a champ can possibly know anything?[/QUOTE]

I actually do have titles in 2 of the 3 "other sports" fyi

 

[CJ Wiley]

No, I don't know anything about golf or tennis, and very little about baseball.


Somehow this doesn't surprise me.

 

[swest]

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Trying to say I'm trying to "mislead these poor, defenseless" pool players is equally insulting to everyone who reads these forums.

You can be insulted if you want, but that's not what his post said.

Back to the video you posted. I have a simple question.

You post a video that you say demonstrates two of your professional techniques. We watch that video. It doesn't appear to show what you said it shows at all. We post the relevant frames from the video that clearly show that it doesn't demonstrate your techniques.

What are we supposed to do with that?

 

[CJ Wiley]

That would be ridiculous.

Do you really think that just because someone misses more than you that they don't know anything about how to play?? You can't really be that naive.

No, I don't think because someone misses more balls than me they don't know how to play. That would be ridiculous.

 

[Neil]

No, I don't know anything about golf or tennis, and very little about baseball.


Somehow this doesn't surprise me.

WOW, what, you in third grade now? SHEESH!

 

[ENGLISH!]

BTW CJ, I can hit a golf ball making it start out left and then go right and also hit it starting it right and then making it go left. It's actually quite easy. What no professional golfer who ever lived can do is actually spin a ball left and then make it reverse direction, via spin, and have it go right. Or vice versa. This is an indisputable fact about golf. The only way to make a ball draw/hook is to hit the ball with a closed clubface and a fade/slice, vice versa.

Perhaps if Hank Haney could have taught that double spin shot to Tiger, he'd still be his coach instead of resorting to writing reveal all books about his former student.

You can make a golf ball draw by hitting it with a square face relative to the club head path with a 'wood' by hitting it on the toe & make it fade by hitting it in the heel. It's a 'gear' affect due to the curved face & the center of gravity being farther back than the contact point.

I peeked,

 

[Neil]

Do you really think that just because someone misses more than you that they don't know anything about how to play?? You can't really be that naive.

No, I don't think because someone misses more balls than me they don't know how to play. That would be ridiculous.

That's odd, because you seem to keep mentioning it.

 

[CJ Wiley]

.they clearly do, as a result of this technique.

You can be insulted if you want, but that's not what his post said.

Back to the video you posted. I have a simple question.

You post a video that you say demonstrates two of your professional techniques. We watch that video. It doesn't appear to show what you said it shows at all. We post the relevant frames from the video that clearly show that it doesn't demonstrate your techniques.

What are we supposed to do with that?

I said they cue the ball low and come up on the cue ball to transfer topspin or "high english".....they clearly do, as a result of this technique.

 

[Neil]

I said they cue the ball low and come up on the cue ball to transfer topspin or "high english".....they clearly do, as a result of this technique.

Here's your quote- I can show so many reasons on the table that this chart is deceptive. First off the examples with a "level cue". Who uses a "level cue"? Certainly not Advanced or Pro players. Look at the first 2 shots (with Bustemante and Efren Reyes), he's cueing with low to "follow" the ball


His cue is as level as it can get. You never said anything about coming up on the cue ball to transfer topspin, quite the opposite.

 

[nobcitypool]

Sorry you feel this way, just like anything else in life (that's not for you), just put it on a shelf and maybe you can look at it later in life.

What way are you sorry I feel? I don't believe my post had anything in it about feeling anything? Are you sorry if I apologized for inadvertently questioning your integrity when that was in no way my intention?

Pleasing "all the people all the time" is impossible and you already know that. Trying to position me in a way that defies that is an insult to me and others on here trying to incorportate new and enjoyable techniques and ways to look at the game that hasn't been expored before. Be considerate and "live and let live".

I'm trying to defy you? Who the hell do you think you are?

Bringing up John Brumback in the manner you did is insulting to him and to me quite frankly. Trying to say I'm trying to "mislead these poor, defenseless" pool players is equally insulting to everyone who reads these forums.

I don't see the relationship here CJ. John was simply trying to mask his techniques while playing to make a living. How does that at all insult him or you, I fail to see the comparison? I think that was quite clever and points to his incredible skill. Unfortunately, you missed my point, that being, you can't always tell where the cue tip is hitting the CB by watching where the player aligns the tip pre shot.

John later came out with a DVD where he clearly shares his techniques and demonstrates them repeatedly in the DVD. Very exacting and eye opening. I would consider it a must have for anyone interested in bank pool. He TRULY does show innovative techniques that he proved factually to work and were his creations. Further, I've heard a number of very competent high level bank pool players comment on how the level of play in bank pool has risen substantially since John put out his DVD. In no way was that part of my post meant to insult you or relate to you (unless you're conscience is bothering you). I'd also add that John may very well be the nicest, most humble high level professional from any sport I've ever met. I've never heard John make a condescending remark to anybody.

I'm sorry you're beyond reproach CJ. I'm done responding to you, perhaps you and you're "nut huggers" can now have a complete love fest. I'm sure you're not truly insulted as I'm equally sure you could care as little about what I think as I do about what you think.

 

[Pay Up Sucker]

I said they cue the ball low and come up on the cue ball to transfer topspin or "high english".....they clearly do, as a result of this technique.

what you are saying is they hit around center ball and cue ends up being forced up over top of the cue ball during follow through, correct?

 

[ENGLISH!]

Sorry you feel this way, just like anything else in life (that's not for you), just put it on a shelf and maybe you can look at it later in life.

Pleasing "all the people all the time" is impossible and you already know that. Trying to position me in a way that defies that is an insult to me and others on here trying to incorportate new and enjoyable techniques and ways to look at the game that hasn't been expored before. Be considerate and "live and let live".

Bringing up John Brumback in the manner you did is insulting to him and to me quite frankly. Trying to say I'm trying to "mislead these poor, defenseless" pool players is equally insulting to everyone who reads these forums.

Tap! Tap! Tap! for you again CJ.

 

[swest]

I said they cue the ball low and come up on the cue ball to transfer topspin or "high english".....they clearly do, as a result of this technique.

In that video, he may 'address' the CB low, but when his cue tip strikes the CB it is at or above center. Period.

 

[nobcitypool]

You can make a golf ball draw by hitting it with a square face relative to the club head path with a 'wood' by hitting it on the toe & make it fade by hitting it in the heel. It's a 'gear' affect due to the curved face & the center of gravity being farther back than the contact point.

I peeked,

I thought I was on your ignore list? We're even dude, you're on my ignorant list. The only way to hit a draw or fade is with spin. I don't care where you hit it on the club face, the club face has to be closed, relative to the path you're hitting the ball, to make it draw or hook. Again, the physics don't lie.

 

[ENGLISH!]

I said they cue the ball low and come up on the cue ball to transfer topspin or "high english".....they clearly do, as a result of this technique.

CJ,

Like some, I can only focus on one sentence or motion at a time. (opening for insulting slut)

The cue tip can not possibly be moving on a 'plane' forward AND upward at the same time, could it?

Or... even more amazingly, could it actually be moving along the path of an arch forward & upward?

Can't be. The 'pendulum' stroke has the tip arching downward due to the back hand rising to the chest/shoulder area.

I'm confused.:wink: (opening for insulting slur)

Did I read something taken out of context?

 

[ENGLISH!]

I thought I was on your ignore list? We're even dude, you're on my ignorant list. The only way to hit a draw or fade is with spin. I don't care where you hit it on the club face, the club face has to be closed, relative to the path you're hitting the ball, to make it draw or hook. Again, the physics don't lie.

I said I peeked.

You are totally 100% incorrect in saying that is the only way.

Spin is created by the glancing 'blow' of the curved face of a 'wood' relative to the path of the club & the clubs center of gravity being in back of the contact point.

Hit on the heel with a square club face relative to the path & the ball will fade not slice.

Hit on the toe with a square club face relative to the path & the ball will draw not hook.

I don't normally name call but of these FACTS you seem to be ignorant.

But as usual you 'think' that you know it ALL.

I take back my green for your one fair & balanced post.

Have a good evening.

 

[nobcitypool]

Why don't you cite your reference data proving me wrong?

Oops, doesn't matter, I'm slitting my wrists now that you've taken back my "greenie". LMAO!

I can assure you that you will be better served focusing on your nut hugging and keeping me on ignore. Sooner or later, you'll "Real Eyes" that.

And BTW, the game isn't my teacher. Good Instructor(s), fundamentals and FACT BASED information is my teacher. The game is the joy and entertainment I receive from that learning.

 

[CJ Wiley]

This gets a different reaction than simply hitting it above center

what you are saying is they hit around center ball and cue ends up being forced up over top of the cue ball during follow through, correct?

I"m saying they cue the ball low, almost to the botton and come up to create topspin or what's called "high english".

This gets a different reaction than simply hitting it above center, instead it's used to "Pin" the ball. The cue when this is done will naturally be close to level, but it won't start out that way, that's why you can see the tip is coming up to impart topspin.