Two cues with different amounts of deflection, same aiming system
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ChrisBanks
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You're a smart man. Go and lag with english and see the deflection. Then shoot on the same line as hard as you can with the same english and note the increase in deflection. Now don't play games with us, don't try to hide the truth.
ChrisBanks
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If you don't believe me, we can use a machine to fire the cue at an extremely high rate of speed, and the cueball will deflect off to the side so far it will not even contact the object ball. You're trying to hide the truth and it won't work here.
PJ is correct. It's a well-researched fact that deflection does not change significantly with speed (see http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/squirt.html#speed). What you're seeing is an increase in swerve (masse effect) with the softer shots, due to the spin of the CB having time to grab the cloth and bring it back towards (or across) the aiming line.
To demonstrate this to yourself, set up a shot where the CB is only 4-5" from the OB, so that swerve will not come into play. Shoot the shot soft, then hard, and the deflection and OB direction will be about the same. (Any difference in OB direction will be the result of spin-induced throw "taking" more with the soft shot.)
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Chris, first you have to define what you actually mean by "deflection". Are you talking about squirt, swerve, or both combined? Have you ever watched any of Mike Pages or Dr. Daves videos about the different effects, and why they happen?
To my knowledge, all aiming systems are primarily based upon center CB, center pocket as Neil said. Consider this your starting or reference point. Given the variety of English and shafts available and the near infinite quantity of variables involved as a result, an aiming system can't account for everything. There are a multitude of threads here that discuss adjustments and include links to informative articles for adjusting from the aiming system reference point. I'm puzzled what is difficult to understand about that.
Of course, you can forego any and all aiming systems and use the HAMB approach. Another approach is to be ignorant or feign ignorance and argue with Neil. Some call that the "English" approach. With that approach, after 46 years of playing experience, you can consider yourself an instructor without any formal training or certification as long as you agree to be a CJ sycophant.
Of course, you can forego any and all aiming systems and use the HAMB approach. Another approach is to be ignorant or feign ignorance and argue with Neil. Some call that the "English" approach. With that approach, after 46 years of playing experience, you can consider yourself an instructor without any formal training or certification as long as you agree to be a CJ sycophant.
If you had a Stroke you wouldn't have to hit so hard.
As others have pointed out to you, the difference isn't the squirt angle; it's the amount of swerve counteracting it. That might sound like a difference without meaning, but it isn't. You might understand that one day if you ever stop slapping the hands trying to help you.
pj
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Do you really think he is sincerely looking for help? Try to read between the lines.
Yea, pretty sure he's just stirring up trouble, whoever "he" really is, not really trying to learn something.
Scott
Scott
Scott,
The style seems to remind me of my brief experience with a Legendary Champ that wants Suckers to Pay Up.
I could be wrong as my experience was very brief.
Regards,
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Beiber,
That's interesting. If you decide on & then use a line & then come down parallel to that line & spin the cue ball which means that it also squirted, how does the system allow for that?
I have my own 'belief', but I would like to hear your thoughts.
Regards,
I can't explain the physics of it all, but I can clarify a few things that might help you understand.
1. In Pro One, you have two visual lines of aim. I actually make a minor adjustment to one of the lines to allow for a slightly thicker hit.
2. I shoot with a Z2, so that might have some effect as well. Meaning that even though Pro One will work for any shaft as long as you're hitting center CB, my adjustment for spin might not work for all shafts.
I guess it's essentially the same thing a person using GB would do to adjust for english. I just find this method to be much easier.
I hear you, you are making a slight adjustment to the 'normal' Pro One center aim line. Your 'first' post seemed to suggest to me that you were not.
Thanks,