Tightening Grip After Contact

BeiberLvr

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I use a fairly textbook loose grip when playing. I tried the V Grip, but couldn't ever get comfortable.

I know conventional wisdom teaches that we should always keep our grip loose throughout the stroke, or at least that's what I've always thought.

Recently, I started tightening my grip (just slightly, not a death grip) right after contact. For some reason it's really helped with my stroke, especially on power shots, but I also use it for soft shots as well.

Video of me doing a draw shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y16ZaCFQRBA

Sorry that it's dark, and you really can't see what I'm doing.

Also, I don't believe this is what some may refer to as a "slip stroke". The cue's position in relation to my grip hand never changes.
 
I suspect that you think you're tightening it after contact but it looks to me like you're tightening it just at contact, and judging by the result, it works.

I don't think it's necessary on every shot, though, like the soft shots you mentioned. You might wind up with a hand cramp at some point. That's hard work.
 
I suspect that you think you're tightening it after contact but it looks to me like you're tightening it just at contact, and judging by the result, it works.

I don't think it's necessary on every shot, though, like the soft shots you mentioned. You might wind up with a hand cramp at some point. That's hard work.

Thanks Fran. You might be right about when I tighten the grip.

That video was taken with my phone. I also have an actual digital camera that takes better quality videos. If I get off work early tomorrow, I may go practice some and record a video.
 
BeiberLvr...If you were actually tightening up after contact, it wouldn't have any effect, because the CB would already be gone off the tip. The key is to keep the cradle pressure consistent, from the start of the backswing, through the transition to the forward accelerated stroke, to the end of your natural finish.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
 
So I practiced some more today, and made some observations.

1. The tightening happens right at contact. I know doing it before is bad, and as Scott mentioned it should have no effect doing it after.

2. I do it on most shots, but my grip is loose throughout on very soft shots.

I brought my camera today to record, but the battery wasn't fully charged so I was only able to get a little bit recorded. It's snowing right now, so I'm not going out to the car to get the camera. I'll hopefully get it uploaded within a day or two.
 
So I practiced some more today, and made some observations.

1. The tightening happens right at contact. I know doing it before is bad, and as Scott mentioned it should have no effect doing it after.

2. I do it on most shots, but my grip is loose throughout on very soft shots.

I brought my camera today to record, but the battery wasn't fully charged so I was only able to get a little bit recorded. It's snowing right now, so I'm not going out to the car to get the camera. I'll hopefully get it uploaded within a day or two.

The tightening of the grip creates a pronation of the wrist kind of like the movement your hand makes when using a hammer... This tightening effect may occur before, during, and after contact depending on how rapidly you contract the grip... I try to contract thru the contact and find I only get poor results if I have contracted before contact as I end up hitting the ball and not stroking it...... Usually happens from over amping and just plain screwing the timing up....
 
I dont like using the word "tightening" of the grip on the cue

I use the word "gentle squeeze" its more of a delicate wording.

The squeezing of the cue begins at the cue ball and is totally squeezed at the object ball. To me this offers maximum feel of the cue, cue ball and the shot.

The way I demonstrate this to players that want help, I take my hand and hold their wrist so that they can feel the pressure of the way I hold my cue. Once they feel the pressure I then gently squeeze their wrist to illustrate what the gentle squeeze is. It helps for them to understand what a "gentle squeeze" feels like.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from our house to yours.

John
 
In squeezing at contact, watch out for the "grabby grabbies"!

BeiberLvr...If you were actually tightening up after contact, it wouldn't have any effect, because the CB would already be gone off the tip. The key is to keep the cradle pressure consistent, from the start of the backswing, through the transition to the forward accelerated stroke, to the end of your natural finish.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

BeiberLvr:

I agree with Scott's observations, especially about keeping the cradle pressure constant. The problem with opening/closing the hand, or tightening the grip, or even "gentle squeezing" at contact with the cue ball, is that this introduces a TIMING ISSUE into your stroke. What I mean, is that you have to time the "squeeze" -- either consciously or subconsciously. There are two problems with this:

1. You've just introduced another variable into your stroke -- something that is dynamic or changes depending on where your grip hand is during the stroke. The problem with this particular variable, is that it can go awry when you're under duress -- e.g. under lots of pressure during a tournament, league match, or a strong gambling session. "What can go awry?" you ask? Something I like to refer to as the "grabby grabbies" -- where instead of a well-timed soft squeeze at contact with the cue ball, you instead have the hand exaggerating the motion (again, remember the pressure-cooker situation!), the timing gets thrown off, and you don't even know it.

2. Remember the hand is of asymmetrical design -- meaning, you have the thumb on one side of the cue, and the fingers of the hand on the other side, as well as curled under. The process of the hand "squeezing" is an asymmetrical motion as well. Try this to see what I mean -- position your hand in front of your face, fully open, as if you're going to bring it down onto the table in "karate chop" fashion. Now, gently and slowly close your hand onto an imaginary cue butt (as if the cue butt was planted in your eye and you're trying to grip it to pull it out). Notice that in this motion, the thumb barely moves (in the side-to-side motion, anyway), and the fingers do all the motion of curling that cradle around that imaginary cue butt. If you're doing this with your right hand, you'll see that the fingers have a habit of introducing a "yaw" effect -- of pushing the cue butt inwards toward your body -- towards the thumb. While you're relaxed and just practicing, you can compensate for this -- and you probably already do. But put some pressure upon ya, and watch what happens -- especially if the motion is exaggerated and the "grabby grabbies" creep in!

That's why instructors who specialize in stroke recommend the cradle -- a non-changing one. The style of cradle I use, I like to call a "cage." Meaning, I form a strong "cage" around the cue butt with my fingers and thumb (a complete "sleeve" if you will), but the cue butt just rests inside that sleeve using only gravity. And, you can see daylight around 3/4 of the cue butt's surface where it rests in the "sleeve" (the bottom 1/4 is of course resting upon the bottom of the "sleeve"). Most of the motion comes from the elbow, naturally, but I can (and do) use my wrist. But even when using my wrist, the "cage" ("sleeve") that my fingers and thumb form around the cue is strong, and never changes or deforms. Certainly no squeezing, and definitely no "grabby grabbies" even under pressure!

The caveat with my "cage" grip? The grip area on the cue has to be of a, well, "grippy" material, like wrapless (the best in my experience), stack leather, carom rubber grip, or just plain leather. Certainly no irish linen -- the cue slides too much. A linen-wrapped cue is nearly useless to me, because my "cage" cradle requires that "tack" (tackiness/grippiness) that wrapless, stack leather, rubber, or plain leather gives. I can definitely live with that caveat, though.

Hope this helps!
-Sean
 
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