TOI in ACTION Earl Stickland vs CJ Wiley

[CJ Wiley]

The TOI is a revolutionary way to use the cue ball to blend all three calculations

CJ,

Is the forthcoming DVD the same as the PPV video on your web site?

Scott

No, Scott, the PPV is my newly released 'Billiards Inside Secrets' that was released late last year. It's currently out of stock for the DVD, but will be shipped late this week. The PPV is available for $14.95 this week and, of course you can watch it immediately.

All my Videos, The 3 Part Series 'Ultimate Pool Secrets', 'Billiards Inside Secrets' and this new TOI Technique Video all go together. Ultimate Pool Secrets start out with the pre shot routine and how to develop consistent body angles, all the way to how to use the "Ultimate Aiming System"....'Billiards Inside Secrets' is more advanced and teaches you how to develop more FEEL/TOUCH in your own game and how to develop a more effective style of play.

The TOI is a revolutionary way to use the cue ball to blend all three of the major calculations into one system. I've went over those three major things earlier in my posting last week.

The TOI ONLY works because the Cue Ball is perfectly round and the pool table is a perfect geometric playing surface. It's "super natural" to use and within 3 weeks will make a permanent improvement in your game. I've said before, if you don't improve your overall understanding and performance I'll give you a FREE lesson in Dallas.

I'm THAT SURE of the technique because it's tried and proven to be effective - that's why I'm showing videos of me using it in Major matches against the greatest players. After all, I'm from Missouri (originally), the Show Me State, not the Tell Me State.

 

[AlexandruM]

The first thing everyone, from my experience, must do is to use TOI on EVERY SHOT.

I used TOI on all my shots and sometimes I only have to calibrate the cut. For me it already becomes natural, it's my style.

 

[ScottK]

No, Scott, the PPV is my newly released 'Billiards Inside Secrets' that was released late last year. It's currently out of stock for the DVD, but will be shipped late this week. The PPV is available for $14.95 this week and, of course you can watch it immediately.

All my Videos, The 3 Part Series 'Ultimate Pool Secrets', 'Billiards Inside Secrets' and this new TOI Technique Video all go together. Ultimate Pool Secrets start out with the pre shot routine and how to develop consistent body angles, all the way to how to use the "Ultimate Aiming System"....'Billiards Inside Secrets' is more advanced and teaches you how to develop more FEEL/TOUCH in your own game and how to develop a more effective style of play.

The TOI is a revolutionary way to use the cue ball to blend all three of the major calculations into one system. I've went over those three major things earlier in my posting last week.

The TOI ONLY works because the Cue Ball is perfectly round and the pool table is a perfect geometric playing surface. It's "super natural" to use and within 3 weeks will make a permanent improvement in your game. I've said before, if you don't improve your overall understanding and performance I'll give you a FREE lesson in Dallas.

I'm THAT SURE of the technique because it's tried and proven to be effective - that's why I'm showing videos of me using it in Major matches against the greatest players. After all, I'm from Missouri (originally), the Show Me State, not the Tell Me State.

Thanks for the quick reply, CJ.

I'll check out the PPV tonight and order the DVDs as soon as the new one is available. Best of luck with it!

Scott

 

[ENGLISH!]

You can see it better in the 8 and 9 of that rack. Sometimes that angle of the shot is misleading, and remember, if you do have to put outside on a shot FIRST come down on your TOI Spot and then PIVOT your TIP to the center.

This automatically cuts your outside in half and puts you in the perfect position to do it without taking the risk of deflecting it INTO the object ball.

This is what I seem many players do, especially under pressure is to cue the ball with outside, then deflect it INTO the object ball - This is a HUGE mistake and what many champions consider (dogging it)...I'm ok with overcutting a ball, but NEVER undercutting it. 'The Game is the Teacher'

Hi CJ,

I am not sure, but I think Neil was being sarcastic as it looks like you shot that 7 ball shot with what would commonly be called outside english.

That had me thinking as I believe there was some confusion in one of the other threads or perhaps it was a mis-typing. So, just to clarify, when shooting a back cut to the right, as that 7 ball, what would you refer to as inside? The right or the left?

The reason I'm asking is because of the rail. In that type of back cut, what I would normally refer to has inside results in running english off of the rail. In that shot, I not you, might put a bit TOO much spin on it and run it into the 9 ball.

So...from that stand point I would want to kill it off the rail with a bit of what is normally called outside. As I said the other reason I'm asking is because there seemed to be some confusion in one of the other theads.

Thanks in advance for making this 'simple' clarification.

Best Regards to You &

 

[CJ Wiley]

This deflection is a natural part of the Game, learn to control and use it

Hi CJ,

I am not sure, but I think Neil was being sarcastic as it looks like you shot that 7 ball shot with what would commonly be called outside english.

That had me thinking as I believe there was some confusion in one of the other threads or perhaps it was a mis-typing. So, just to clarify, when shooting a back cut to the right, as that 7 ball, what would you refer to as inside? The right or the left?

The reason I'm asking is because of the rail. In that type of back cut, what I would normally refer to has inside results in running english off of the rail. In that shot, I not you, might put a bit TOO much spin on it and run it into the 9 ball.

So...from that stand point I would want to kill it off the rail with a bit of what is normally called outside. As I said the other reason I'm asking is because there seemed to be some confusion in one of the other theads.

Thanks in advance for making this 'simple' clarification.

Best Regards to You &

Under those circumstances (under pressure, playing Earl Stickland to face Efren Reyes in the Finals of a Major Tournament) there are times when I don't hit the cue ball exactly where I "aim," and this is a human quality. However, if you notice I still didn't spin the ball. I'm not perfect and neither is anyone (that I've ever met), and this, again is part of why you should NEVER try to hit center on anything but straight in shots because EVERYONE on occasion will hit it slightly off to the left or right.

It's SO much better to favor one side so you KNOW FOR SURE which side of center you are hitting. If you think it doesn't make a difference set up a long straight in shot and MOVE YOUR CUE slightly to the left or right and just hit the cue ball. Then tell me what happened....I know what happened because it happens to everyone, the ball will deflect the opposite way you cued the{cue} ball (cue it left, it goes right, cue it right it goes left, and has the opposite effect of the object ball).

This deflection is a natural part of the Game and either you learn to control and use it or you will be the victim of it. It's your choice. 'The Game is Your Teacher'

 

[ENGLISH!]

CJ,

As you say the TOI is very difficult to see. The cue ball tells you. As I said I am fairly sure Neil was being sarcastic as it looked like you intentionally cued & hit that 7 ball with a bit of left english. I was not suggesting that you mis hit it but if you say so, I'll take your word.

I was just wondering about your exact definition of inside on a back cut like that 7 ball as there was some confusuion in the other thread.

Best to You &

 

[irock]

I have been working with TOI, and having a blast, a few things things I have noticed right away are, when the object ball is just slightly off the rail, but you need to drive it in to get the cue ball somewhere, it is much easier to do using TOI, and there seems to only be a few shots but you use them to go anywhere on the table, and one of my favorites is, being able to shoot with with some speed but being able to control the cue ball speed with kind of a killing action, a am sure I did not explain it right, but i am sure some will know what I mean.

 

[Cornerman]

You can see it better in the 8 and 9 of that rack. Sometimes that angle of the shot is misleading, and remember, if you do have to put outside on a shot FIRST come down on your TOI Spot and then PIVOT your TIP to the center.

This automatically cuts your outside in half and puts you in the perfect position to do it without taking the risk of deflecting it INTO the object ball.

This is what I seem many players do, especially under pressure is to cue the ball with outside, then deflect it INTO the object ball - This is a HUGE mistake and what many champions consider (dogging it)...I'm ok with overcutting a ball, but NEVER undercutting it. 'The Game is the Teacher'

So... I read, I read, I read, then I had the aha moment. There are certain almost straight in shots that the other day I just decided to go "touch of inside"on 4.25" pocket. When I was draining them, I even said out loud that it was like I was cheating.

So, I stared looking at pivoting back to center since I wanted to see if pivoting back worked. I started at TOI and pivoted to center (I already do a pivoting aiming system.). Even though it was unnatural for me (I start somewhere else), it seemed like for these particular shot there was no way I could miss. But, I'm talking about specific shots that have a shallow back or front cut that many people often will undercut.

Freddie <~~~ cheating!!!

 

[CJ Wiley]

start off with the TOI and hit it at that spot, if possible

So... I read, I read, I read, then I had the aha moment. There are certain almost straight in shots that the other day I just decided to go "touch of inside"on 4.25" pocket. When I was draining them, I even said out loud that it was like I was cheating.

So, I stared looking at pivoting back to center since I wanted to see if pivoting back worked. I started at TOI and pivoted to center (I already do a pivoting aiming system.). Even though it was unnatural for me (I start somewhere else), it seemed like for these particular shot there was no way I could miss. But, I'm talking about specific shots that have a shallow back or front cut that many people often will undercut.

Freddie <~~~ cheating!!!

Yes, this is how I use "helping English" when I need it. I ALWAYS start out on the TOI Location to make the given angle, then I pivot to center. This gives me roughly HALF the outside spin, and usually that's all I need. I've mentioned this before, but I always stress using it every time because you do need to go to the TOI spot on the cue ball every time. Doing this regularly will take away one of the advantages of TOI, but you're still better off than you were before. In the video I get into why this is, but for the time being you're probably hitting these shots better than ever (from what you said).

The rule of thumb I use is to deflect the ball I move me cue parallel to the "Line of the Shot," and to spin the ball I will pivot back to center, and if I really need to spin it (to curve the cue ball or drastically change the angle off the rail) I'll go a little further.

The most important thing is to start off with the TOI and hit it at that spot, if possible, and if not, just move the tip where it's needed. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[CJ Wiley]

you MUST hit the TOI with a quick, accelerating stroke or you risk .....

CJ,

As you say the TOI is very difficult to see. The cue ball tells you. As I said I am fairly sure Neil was being sarcastic as it looked like you intentionally cued & hit that 7 ball with a bit of left english. I was not suggesting that you mis hit it but if you say so, I'll take your word.

I was just wondering about your exact definition of inside on a back cut like that 7 ball as there was some confusuion in the other thread.

Best to You &

Yes, and when the balls are very close together and I"m nervous (which I was in that match, Earl was getting on my last nerve ) I may do a quick pivot to the outside to throw that ball in, still using the 3 part pocket system, just with "helping English".

When the balls are close you MUST hit the TOI with a quick, accelerating stroke or you risk putting unwanted English on the ball and undercut it. I ALWAYS guard against undercutting balls (I've said this on numerous occasions in the Aiming Threads), so when the balls are close together I may use the 3Part Pocket System with spin, rather than deflection.

I prefer not to do this, but I try to stay away from using the word "never," without any exceptions. Under pressure sometimes we just have to do whatever's necessary to get the ball in the hole, my main thought is to make sure I hit the cue ball straight....with as little Spin as possible.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Yes, and when the balls are very close together and I"m nervous (which I was in that match, Earl was getting on my last nerve ) I may do a quick pivot to the outside to throw that ball in, still using the 3 part pocket system, just with "helping English".

When the balls are close you MUST hit the TOI with a quick, accelerating stroke or you risk putting unwanted English on the ball and undercut it. I ALWAYS guard against undercutting balls (I've said this on numerous occasions in the Aiming Threads), so when the balls are close together I may use the 3Part Pocket System with spin, rather than deflection.

I prefer not to do this, but I try to stay away from using the word "never," without any exceptions. Under pressure sometimes we just have to do whatever's necessary to get the ball in the hole, my main thought is to make sure I hit the cue ball straight....with as little Spin as possible.

CJ,

Sounds good to me.

I retired friend of mine that passed away today, used to always say 'just get 'er done'.

So... can we make it clear that on a back cut to the right, like that 7 ball, your TOI would be right of center & you would call left of center as outside?

I know this sounds kind of crazy but as I said there was some confusion by some in one of the other threads & if they saw that 7 ball shot it might make for more confusion. Hearing it from you, I would think, clear it up.

Best to You &

 

[Neil]

CJ,

As you say the TOI is very difficult to see. The cue ball tells you. As I said I am fairly sure Neil was being sarcastic as it looked like you intentionally cued & hit that 7 ball with a bit of left english. I was not suggesting that you mis hit it but if you say so, I'll take your word.

I was just wondering about your exact definition of inside on a back cut like that 7 ball as there was some confusuion in the other thread.

Best to You &

Thanks for TWICE in this thread trying to run me down. Don't worry, you weren't "misunderstood", either. And you wonder why people have trouble with you. And, this after your post of "wanting to bury the hatchet". Guess you did want to , right in my back, again.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Thanks for TWICE in this thread trying to run me down. Don't worry, you weren't "misunderstood", either. And you wonder why people have trouble with you. And, this after your post of "wanting to bury the hatchet". Guess you did want to , right in my back, again.

Sir,

Look at the shot that you referenced & your comment to go along with it. If you were not being sacastic & I misunderstood your meaning then I apologize. Even though it would seem to be an honest mistake given your past expressions of your oinions on CJ's techniques in other threads. If so, all you had to do was politely say that I was mistaken.

If you reference my statements I first said to CJ, "I'm not sure but I think Neil was being sarcastic". In the second reference, I said, "I'm fairly certain Neil was being sacastic". 'Fairly certain' does not mean that I am 'surely certain'. I was merely pointing out to CJ the possibility that what he seemed to be taking literally might be sarcasm. If I was wrong, all you had to do was politely say so, which you still have not done.

My offer to you to shake hands & bury the hatchet as I said not in each other's back was sincere & well intended. Since this is your first reference to that offer with no other response I can only assume that you have decided to reject it.

You, Sir seem to have delusions of grandure where you think everyone MUST show you some form of honor & respect. From our first encounter, you lost any common courtesy of such. True Honor & Respect are earned & you Sir have not earned mine. You Sir have given me no reason to extend such to you as is evidenced by the quoted post above where you again try to suggest untruths as facts with your presumption of omniscience, believing that you can read my mind & know my intentions.

I have no need, desire, or intention to 'run you down'. I am sure there are a number of people who know you & respect you & that is all well & good. However, I do not know you any more than you know me. However, you seem to believe that you have the power of omniscience & know everyones' intentions & can read everyone's minds.

I do not know your age, but might I kindly suggest that you sit down with a family member or friend & discuss if maybe you should schedule a visit with a doctor.

I just lost a friend this day that was only 64 years old. He died in his sleep with no real outward signs of any medical problems other than a bit of forgetfulness. He kept puttting off going to the doctor untll his medicare kicked in next month.

My offer to you still stands, but would require an attitude adjustment on your part for it to work. I extended the offer because you had seemed to have become more reasonable of late. You now seem to possibly be suffering from some form of bipolar disorder.

All of my statements above are well intended. I sincerely hope that you take them as such. Perhaps they will reach you when you are in a good mood & more reasonable.

Best Wishes to You &

 

[Neil]

Sir,

Look at the shot that you referenced & your comment to go along with it. If you were not being sacastic & I misunderstood your meaning then I apologize. Even though it would seem to be an honest mistake given your past expressions of your oinions on CJ's techniques in other threads. If so, all you had to do was politely say that I was mistaken.

If you reference my statements I first said to CJ, "I'm not sure but I think Neil was being sarcastic". In the second reference, I said, "I'm fairly certain Neil was being sacastic". 'Fairly certain' does not mean that I am 'surely certain'. I was merely pointing out to CJ the possibility that what he seemed to be taking literally might be sarcasm. If I was wrong, all you had to do was politely say so, which you still have not done.

My offer to you to shake hands & bury the hatchet as I said not in each other's back was sincere & well intended. Since this is your first reference to that offer with no other response I can only assume that you have decided to reject it.

You, Sir seem to have delusions of grandure where you think everyone MUST show you some form of honor & respect. From our first encounter, you lost any common courtesy of such. True Honor & Respect are earned & you Sir have not earned mine. You Sir have given me no reason to extend such to you as is evidenced by the quoted post above where you again try to suggest untruths as facts with your presumption of omniscience, believing that you can read my mind & know my intentions.

I have no need, desire, or intention to 'run you down'. I am sure there are a number of people who know you & respect you & that is all well & good. However, I do not know you any more than you know me. However, you seem to believe that you have the power of omniscience & know everyones' intentions & can read everyone's minds.

I do not know your age, but might I kindly suggest that you sit down with a family member or friend & discuss if maybe you should schedule a visit with a doctor.

I just lost a friend this day that was only 64 years old. He died in his sleep with no real outward signs of any medical problems other than a bit of forgetfulness. He kept puttting off going to the doctor untll his medicare kicked in next month.

My offer to you still stands, but would require an attitude adjustment on your part for it to work. I extended the offer because you had seemed to have become more reasonable of late. You now seem to possibly be suffering from some form of bipolar disorder.

All of my statements above are well intended. I sincerely hope that you take them as such. Perhaps they will reach you when you are in a good mood & more reasonable.

Best Wishes to You &

Sorry about your friend, but if the rest of your post was you actually being serious, and not just trying to start something, then , well, let's just say you have some serious issues that need addressing.

 

[JB Cases]

Here is another match when I was using the Touch Of Inside. See if you can see how I use the TOUCH OF INSIDE and STUN the ball rather than SPIN the ball. If you're already using the TOI you will easily see what's "really" happening. Watch how the cue ball "floats" to position rather than spinning. This is the "tell tale" sign that someone is using TOI on you. :wink:

Seeing what a Pro Player is doing is like watching a professional magician to see how they're doing their "tricks". Remember, the greatest player of all time is even called "The Magician". :yeah:

EARL STICKLAND vs CJ WILEY

Part one of this match http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgs9stY50Us

My thoughts on this is that I am SO GLAD we have CJ Wiley here to talk pool with. In this event he had finished second the year before. During the 1995 event he lost the first match and then won 9 straight beating Parica and Luat along the way.

Wouldn't it be great if we also had Earl, Johnny, or other top pros to hang with us on AZB? Maybe if we stopped heckling them they would come and stay.

There is a lot to be learned watching CJ play this match.

 

[West Point 1987]

Z Shot?

Isn't this the tournament where Efren beats Earl with the infamous Z-Shot?

 

[CJ Wiley]

IS this an outrageous claim? Not At All!

Isn't this the tournament where Efren beats Earl with the infamous Z-Shot?

Yes, it's a funny thing about history, fate and life in general. If I would have made that last combination (that I hit like I intended, it just didn't go in), and won the next game (I was the favorite breaking) - Efren would never of had the opportunity to make what many people consider the greatest shot every played.

I'm not saying there's any "deep meaning" to this, it's just interesting to see how things "play out" in people's lives.

Neal was correct (yes, I said it, but just this once ) in his observation (and I'm complimented that he watches where I cue my ball on every shot) that I "cued" that 7Ball slightly to the outside[.

Of course in a match like this one with Earl I am dealing with internal pressure that you can't see as easily as where I'm hitting the specific shots. Earl is tough to play sometimes and "got me" this match, however I "got him" the majority after this one in several major, high dollar matches.

Would I hit that 7Ball normally with the "Touch OF Inside?" ....the answer would be "yes" under normal conditions. I can use outside/helping English as well as the next guy, however, my TOI Technique isn't about going back and forth from one side of the cue ball to the other.

TOI is about "mastering" the INSIDE of the cue ball FIRST and foremost. When you learn the treasure that's in the TOI technique it will open up your Game in ways I can't possibly explain. (We are all different in our perceptions, our approach, our style and our mental/physical abilities).

I believe, after "digging deep" and figuring out this TOI Technique - if anyone puts in a few hours, days, or even weeks it will help more than any other thing they can do. It teaches the "zone of the pocket - 3Part Pocket System", it teaches "mastering one shot", it teaches a built in acceleration technique, it teaches how to create any angle on any shot, and it blends the 3 calculations that you have to make SPEED, SHOT ANGLE, TIP TARGET into one way of playing...

IS this an outrageous claim? Not at all,{in my new video} I describe and demonstrate EXACTLY how this is done and with a few hours of practice you can do it too. The Game wants you to understand it{TOI} and "The Game is the Teacher" CJ Wiley

PS - I wrote this post like this on purpose so pj would think it's a hostage notice. Someone reassure him I HAVE NOT been kidnapped.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Sorry about your friend, but if the rest of your post was you actually being serious, and not just trying to start something, then , well, let's just say you have some serious issues that need addressing.

Thanks for your condolences.

The rest of my post was not me trying to 'start something', but me giving my honest opinon of my perception of you since I do not actually know you in hope that it might be helpful if there is truely a need for help.

So... would you like to de-rail this thread further by you addressing some of the serious issues that your omniscient mind knows that I have & feels needs to be addressed or would you rather do it in the PM section so this thread can stay on topic?

 

[Patrick Johnson]

CJ:
I wrote this post like this on purpose so pj would think it's a hostage notice. Someone reassure him I HAVE NOT been kidnapped.

It's the Main Forum that's been kidnapped - we're being held hostage by your non-stop spamming. The mods don't seem to think their rules apply to you, but the rest of us have to use the For Sale Forum to advertise things we want to sell.

But hey, you're CJ Wiley, so it must be a privilege to hear what you have for sale every other post. Your Ton of Infomercial technique is very instructive.

pj
chgo

 

[CJ Wiley]

Thank, I accept your apology.

It's the Main Forum that's been kidnapped - we're being held hostage by your non-stop spamming. The mods don't seem to think their rules apply to you, but the rest of us have to use the For Sale Forum to advertise things we want to sell.

But hey, you're CJ Wiley, so it must be a privilege to hear what you have for sale every other post. Your Ton of Infomercial technique is very instructive.

pj
chgo

Thank you pj, I accept your apology. :thumbup: I'm sure everyone misses the days of you teaching them .......ahhh........hmmm.......{fidgeting} ........I knew what I was going to say......hmmmmmmm.....well, I'll have to wait til someone reminds me. CLICK PICTURE

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