Video about Pro One visual sweeps

BobN

BobN

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I am not teaching visual sweeps or Pro One in this video. I'll leave that to Stan, Stevie and Stan's DVDs. The purpose of this is to show those new to Pro One how little movement is actually needed to execute the visual sweeps. I see a lot of new Pro One users throw up their hands because they can't figure out the visual sweeps. I try to explain them as simply as I can in the way that I use them. Keep in mind, I have severe arthritis in my back, have one artificial knee and really need to have the other one replaced, so I had to simplify the movements and adapt them somewhat to what my knee will, and will not do. Regardless, the movements will be similar, if not exactly like most other Pro One users execute.

Forgive the format and the editing (there wasn't much) as I did this on one take for each segment then just stitched them together. Any and all comments are welcome... Oh, and sorry Stan, for misspelling your name on the last page! I didn't notice it until the 3 hours that it took to upload this video was over. I'll replace it someday when I have time to edit it a little better and I'll fix that! :smile:

Anyways, here is the link to the youtube video... http://youtu.be/f-SrlXYYzuI

Bob
 
No need to make any apologies for that video Bob. I thought it was EXCELLENT! Very helpful, I hope more people learning/using Pro One will share these types of things. The different perspectives and tidbits really help a lot. Thank you!
 
Thanks!

Thank you, Randy... You're the one that got me started in all of this, ya know...

Few know this, but after a nearly 20 year hiatus from playing pool, I started playing again in about 2003 or 2004, really can't remember. Within 6 months, I hit a wall and knew it was time to do something. In comes RandyG... Two trips to Pool School: Intermediate and Expert classes, then trips down to get my BCA (now PBIA) Instructor Certification. Then the opportunity to go on the North Carolina and Idaho "Pool School on the Road" trips as an instructor and to help teach a few classes with Randy, Jerry Powers and OZ in Dallas. This has been a fantastic journey, and I've loved every minute of it!

Bob
 
That was simply beauiful. This is an area in which I've been struggling with and I'll take it to the table with your foot work instructions.
Cheers.
 
BobN said:
I am not teaching visual sweeps or Pro One in this video. I'll leave that to Stan, Stevie and Stan's DVDs. The purpose of this is to show those new to Pro One how little movement is actually needed to execute the visual sweeps. I see a lot of new Pro One users throw up their hands because they can't figure out the visual sweeps. I try to explain them as simply as I can in the way that I use them. Keep in mind, I have severe arthritis in my back, have one artificial knee and really need to have the other one replaced, so I had to simplify the movements and adapt them somewhat to what my knee will, and will not do. Regardless, the movements will be similar, if not exactly like most other Pro One users execute.

Forgive the format and the editing (there wasn't much) as I did this on one take for each segment then just stitched them together. Any and all comments are welcome... Oh, and sorry Stan, for misspelling your name on the last page! I didn't notice it until the 3 hours that it took to upload this video was over. I'll replace it someday when I have time to edit it a little better and I'll fix that! :smile:

Anyways, here is the link to the youtube video... http://youtu.be/f-SrlXYYzuI

Bob
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This is by one of the most interesting and amazing postings i ever read about Pro-1 visuals.

Bob: Hats off- that was a HAMMER! Thank you very much for sharing this fabulous *insight*.

lg from overseas with a ton of respect :-)

Ingo
 
Great vid.
You consolidated the cue tip shift and pivot to where you should untimately be lined up (stance) to make the shot...I like that.

Would the left foot position be the same distance to the right or left regarless of the distance between the CB and OB?
 
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LaMas, It is so close that I can't measure any difference, if there is any, regardless of length of shot or cut angle. I orginally put a piece of masking tape on the floor and tried to mark the lines with a pencil, but couldn't see the mark on the tape, so went with the Paper hole reinforcements on the floor. My point is, that when I "shifted" into position, Where the center of my foot ended up was on the same pencil mark on the tape, regardless of length of shot.

Bob
 
Bob,
Thanks for your promt reply...I will try the foot placement to see what works for me.:):thumbup:
 
Good little video Bob!! With Bob's shot I would take a chair and sit behind the shot straight in, now move your head to find the CTEL and Aim point C, and move your head to find edge to B and then to A (go back and forth with it a couple times) and you will see how little of a movement it really is! This is what I was doing when I first learned it!! I would look at shots from the standing and sitting position!!
 
Two things I tried out on my own that helped me find the visuals and get down on the shot properly.

1. Put cue over CB and align to edge of OB to represent the CTE line. Move around until I can see the proper aim line while at the same time see that my cue is lined up with CTE.

2. This one might just be a personal thing that maybe not everyone can do. Instead of looking at CB on the way down, I just focus on the center of the OB. It's probably just experience, but I can get down at CCB without looking at the CB.
 
BobN said:
I am not teaching visual sweeps or Pro One in this video. I'll leave that to Stan, Stevie and Stan's DVDs. The purpose of this is to show those new to Pro One how little movement is actually needed to execute the visual sweeps. I see a lot of new Pro One users throw up their hands because they can't figure out the visual sweeps. I try to explain them as simply as I can in the way that I use them. Keep in mind, I have severe arthritis in my back, have one artificial knee and really need to have the other one replaced, so I had to simplify the movements and adapt them somewhat to what my knee will, and will not do. Regardless, the movements will be similar, if not exactly like most other Pro One users execute.

Forgive the format and the editing (there wasn't much) as I did this on one take for each segment then just stitched them together. Any and all comments are welcome... Oh, and sorry Stan, for misspelling your name on the last page! I didn't notice it until the 3 hours that it took to upload this video was over. I'll replace it someday when I have time to edit it a little better and I'll fix that! :smile:

Anyways, here is the link to the youtube video... http://youtu.be/f-SrlXYYzuI

Bob
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I said this on your video but I will say it here again. Thank you. You have captured in five minutes what I couldn't get across in hours of making videos on the subject.

I have been trying to get people to understand that the body movement is so slight and the corresponding cue movement is tiny to go from CTEL sighting to the shot line. It's all much easier than people think it is.
 
What blew me out about this video is that a near straight in to the right required a left visual sweep. I would have thought that it would have been a right visual sweep. No wonder I've been missing shots and can't work out why.
I'll have to go back to the drawing board on my thinking on piviot direction.
We love you Stan and can you have this foot work info in your next DVD as it would be a huge help for those learning Pro One.
Peace.
 
BobN said:
LaMas, It is so close that I can't measure any difference, if there is any, regardless of length of shot or cut angle. I orginally put a piece of masking tape on the floor and tried to mark the lines with a pencil, but couldn't see the mark on the tape, so went with the Paper hole reinforcements on the floor. My point is, that when I "shifted" into position, Where the center of my foot ended up was on the same pencil mark on the tape, regardless of length of shot.

Bob
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Bob,
I got on a table and put an OB on the head spot, moved the CB behind the kitchen line and lined my stance to aim at the center of the CB at the left edge of the OB to cut the OB into the right corner pocket. I then dropped down onto that aim line and started to stroke the cue on that line, and made several spot shots.

I then moved my forward left foot like in your vid to the right one shoe width and again got down on the shot from that stance and I was now on a center of the CB to the center of the OB aim line - straight in shot.

I then moved my left foot from the original CTE aim line to the left one shoe width and got down on the shot from the new stance and I was now aiming the center of the CB at a point off of the OB edge by 1/2 ball diameter - thin cut shot.

I put the CB closer to the OB as above, but I had to move my foot farther out achive the same results...interesting experiment.

Thanks again.:smile:
 
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What blew me out about this video is that a near straight in to the right required a left visual sweep. I would have thought that it would have been a right visual sweep. No wonder I've been missing shots and can't work out why.
I'll have to go back to the drawing board on my thinking on piviot direction.
We love you Stan and can you have this foot work info in your next DVD as it would be a huge help for those learning Pro One.
Peace.
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On DVD1 Landon and Stevie each demonstrate a shot to Pocket 3 that have outside visual sweeps or pivots. As a general rule, thick type shots have pivots or sweeps that come from the outside.

Concerning feet placement, I will add a "footwork video" to my YouTube list of support videos to do for Pro One users.

In general, you should see your visuals from a comfortable, natural position during ball address. I make no attempt to preplace my feet. I literally do not know where my feet will ultimately go. The system takes me to my shot line final alignment.

The best advice I have is to ALLOW your feet to move and shift into a comfortable, fundamentally correct position as you drop into your full stance. CTE is more about the eyes than the feet. Positioning of one's feet can greatly vary from person to person.

Thank you, BobN, for sharing your approach , footwork-wise, concerning visual sweeps for Pro One.

Stan Shuffett
 
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stan shuffett said:
and shift into a comfortable, fundamentally correct position as you drop into your full stance. CTE is more about the eyes than the feet. Positioning of one's feet can greatly vary from person to person.

Thank you, BobN, for sharing your approach , footwork-wise, concerning visual sweeps for Pro One.

Stan Shuffett
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Stan, you say that but yet many people on here who are Pro One advocates found this video very enlightening. I think that says something that needs to be paid attention to. Getting the visuals with your eyes is not the most difficult part of the system. It seems obvious from reading people's comments, along with my own experience, that going from having the visuals to getting in the right set position that is the biggest challenge. My comments on this are offered with constructive intent, I hope that is understood. Making many vague, ambiguous comments at a high level of abstraction is not helping increase the learning curve for your system.
 
stan shuffett said:
The best advice I have is to ALLOW your feet to move and shift into a comfortable, fundamentally correct position as you drop into your full stance. CTE is more about the eyes than the feet. Positioning of one's feet can greatly vary from person to person.

Thank you, BobN, for sharing your approach , footwork-wise, concerning visual sweeps for Pro One.

Stan Shuffett
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Stan, You are absolutely right. My intent with the video was to show how subtle the sweeps actually are, not to show where to put your feet. What I showed with the shot of my feet was, as you put it, where my feet want to go, and those positions put me in a comfortable stance and position... those dimensional moves will probably NOT be the same for anyone else. Actually, when you look at those feet and think "I'll try moving my feet one shoe width", keep in mind that those tennis shoes are a size 14EEEE (or 15EEEE's depending on which pair I was wearing) and when you look at how much or little I move to go into the sweep, keep in mind that I'm 6'4" tall, have a 36" inseam and wear a 38" shirt sleeve... How "I" move will, just because of physical differences, be completely different than how Stan or Gerry or anyone else moves into a shot. Couple that with the steel knee thing... all kinds of issues and some physical limitations, there... wanna see me jump up out of a shot? Watch what happens if I get that leg in an funny position and "torque" it a little... I dance around the room like a 3 year old that scraped his knee in a tricycle wreck!

In any case, as I said, I was more interested in showing how subtle the sweeps were, and only showed my feet to demonstrate how little I move... and considering my height and the length of my legs, that's not much of a move to effect my visual sweep... very subtle.

One more note... as far as how I move into the ball and don't really do the visual sweeps. Keep in mind that I've been working with Pro One for 2 years and it's completely automatic for me, now. I didn't start out trying to shortcut around the visual sweeps... I did things EXACTLY like Stan taught me and EXACTLY like he has it laid out on DVD #1. Time and experience have made my feet "know where to go"... As my good friend, RandyG says, "No magic wand... it's a magic WANT!". It takes table time and practice to learn to effectively execute ANYTHING. Do what Stan says on the videos, get personal lessons from him if you can (Or Stevie) and you will, over time, incorporate your own style into ProOne, just as I and many more have done.

Bob
 
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