More Squirt / Deflection on right english than left english with standard aiming

kwoshunli

kwoshunli

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Hello Fellas,

I'd like to share with you a problem I have been having for years now.

Cue used - customized low deflect (18.5 ounce)
Play hand - right handed
Tip diameter - 2.75 mm
Player caliber - C player

When I use left english, my aiming is very well, I get to deliver an accurate shot. But when I use right english, I have noticed that I need to compensate twice as much as with left english, and I get a very unclear shot, sometimes i feel the shot, sometimes it's really deflecting a lot.

Do anybody know why this is?

Do you have tips on how to correct this? I have been using straight stroke (no swooping to either side). I tried using harder grip, light grip, medium grip, but it's still the same.

Pls help me. I run balls, racks, but when I encounter situations where I need to use right english, I sometimes miss the shot.

Please help me, thank you!!! ^_^:grin-square:

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My problem (i think) is not about aiming.

Let say,

I set up a half ball hit to the right.

Center cue ball = Object ball goes in
Left english = Object ball goes in
Right english = Object ball doesn't go in, i end up cutting it too thin. That means that after i shoot with right hand english, the cue ball deflects a more than the other side, and end up cutting the OB too thin. I use the same aiming, the same stroking, the same compensation (front and back hand english technique).

This is my problem. Please help ;(
 
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the world's smallest tip

kwoshunli said:
Hello Fellas,

I'd like to share with you a problem I have been having for years now.

Cue used - customized low deflect (18.5 ounce)
Play hand - right handed
Tip diameter - 2.75 mm
Player caliber - C player

When I use left english, my aiming is very well, I get to deliver an accurate shot. But when I use right english, I have noticed that I need to compensate twice as much as with left english, and I get a very unclear shot, sometimes i feel the shot, sometimes it's really deflecting a lot.

Do anybody know why this is?

Do you have tips on how to correct this? I have been using straight stroke (no swooping to either side). I tried using harder grip, light grip, medium grip, but it's still the same.

Pls help me. I run balls, racks, but when I encounter situations where I need to use right english, I sometimes miss the shot.

Please help me, thank you!!! ^_^:grin-square:
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Maybe using the world's smallest tip might be part of your issue. :wink:
 
In youtube, I only see introduction and video testimonials. Correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't see the tuturial video itself.

I wanna see the actual video itself, maybe this is what I'm looking for ;)
 
My problem (i think) is not about aiming.

Let say,

I set up a half ball hit to the right.

Center cue ball = Object ball goes in
Left english = Object ball goes in
Right english = Object ball doesn't go in, i end up cutting it too thin. That means that after i shoot with right hand english, the cue ball deflects a more than the other side, and end up cutting the OB too thin. I use the same aiming, the same stroking, the same compensation (front and back hand english technique).

This is my problem. Please help ;(
 
kwoshunli said:
My problem (i think) is not about aiming.

Let say,

I set up a half ball hit to the right.

Center cue ball = Object ball goes in
Left english = Object ball goes in
Right english = Object ball doesn't go in, i end up cutting it too thin. That means that after i shoot with right hand english, the cue ball deflects a more than the other side, and end up cutting the OB too thin. I use the same aiming, the same stroking, the same compensation (front and back hand english technique).

This is my problem. Please help ;(
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Your shaft is causing the CB to squirt away from the aim line.

With left (outside) english, the CB will squirt to to the right a bit but the rotation of the applied english is "helping" (gearing) english and will help send the OB to the pocket.

With right (inside) english, the CB will squirt to the left a bit causing you to overcut the OB and miss the pocket. There is no helping english to compensate for the squirt.
 
When I shoot using left English I have no problem.. But with right right Englishmy cue ball deflects more than with left English..

I don't know why.. And I need help
 
kwoshunli said:
When I shoot using left English I have no problem.. But with right right Englishmy cue ball deflects more than with left English..

I don't know why.. And I need help
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I seem to hit the CB a bit on it's right side when I think that I am hitting it on it's center...even though it looks correct...it's not. I put a bit or right english on those shots.
 
LAMas said:
I seem to hit the CB a bit on it's right side when I think that I am hitting it on it's center...even though it looks correct...it's not I put a bit or right english on those shots.
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I don't think that's my problem.. My problem is not the same as yours..

I put half tip left and half tip right.. I don't get the same result..
 
kwoshunli said:
When I shoot using left English I have no problem.. But with right right Englishmy cue ball deflects more than with left English..

I don't know why.. And I need help
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I think what LAMas told you is correct. Try setting up one left cut shot and then an equal right cut shot. Use centerball, left english, and right english on both cut shots.

Use a cut shot near or slightly less than a half ball hit.

If you're still over cutting a right hand shot then you should be hitting a left cut shot fat when using right hand spin. If you're certain you are putting the same amount of spin for both left and right cut shots (and its a small amount such as 1/2 tip or so) then you are likely not aligned properly and your head and eye position is not properly set.

The best method of checking whether your hitting the CB where you think you are is to place a small dot on the table (1/8 inch diameter) and roll the CB over it from various places and distances on the table. You will be surprised how much impact your head/eye position makes. Move it around a few times during this process and you will see how it can throw off your aim. Your goal here is to find your preferred head/eye position.
 
plfrg said:
I think what LAMas told you is correct. Try setting up one left cut shot and then an equal right cut shot. Use centerball, left english, and right english on both cut shots.

Use a cut shot near or slightly less than a half ball hit.

If you're still over cutting a right hand shot then you should be hitting a left cut shot fat when using right hand spin. If you're certain you are putting the same amount of spin for both left and right cut shots (and its a small amount such as 1/2 tip or so) then you are likely not aligned properly and your head and eye position is not properly set.

The best method of checking whether your hitting the CB where you think you are is to place a small dot on the table (1/8 inch diameter) and roll the CB over it from various places and distances on the table. You will be surprised how much impact your head/eye position makes. Move it around a few times during this process and you will see how it can throw off your aim. Your goal here is to find your preferred head/eye position.
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I think I tried that.. I shoot both sides.. Both same angle.. When I use center cue ball I make the shot 8 out of 10 times..

I tried shooting a straight in shot..

Center cue ball goes in
Left English ball goes in
Right English missed..cue ball deflected to the left due to squirt.. I think my center is really center..

Also, when I shoot using left English, I can feel the shot, I mean, I know where the cue ball will go.. But when I use right English, sometimes I feel d shot, but mostly I don't.. I think I have a problem with my grip also
 
plfrg said:
I think what LAMas told you is correct. Try setting up one left cut shot and then an equal right cut shot. Use centerball, left english, and right english on both cut shots.

Use a cut shot near or slightly less than a half ball hit.

If you're still over cutting a right hand shot then you should be hitting a left cut shot fat when using right hand spin. If you're certain you are putting the same amount of spin for both left and right cut shots (and its a small amount such as 1/2 tip or so) then you are likely not aligned properly and your head and eye position is not properly set.

The best method of checking whether your hitting the CB where you think you are is to place a small dot on the table (1/8 inch diameter) and roll the CB over it from various places and distances on the table. You will be surprised how much impact your head/eye position makes. Move it around a few times during this process and you will see how it can throw off your aim. Your goal here is to find your preferred head/eye position.
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How do we properly align our head and eye?
 
the NO SPIN approach and keeps thinks simple and effective.

kwoshunli said:
When I shoot using left English I have no problem.. But with right right Englishmy cue ball deflects more than with left English..

I don't know why.. And I need help
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I advise not using "english" unless you absolutely have to. Simply come down and cue the ball sightly Inside and use the weight of the cue ball to move it around the table.

Watch the champion players and you'll see the ones that win the most consistently use the least amount of spin, or english. Dennis O. is winning every tournament and rarely spins his ball, he uses the NO SPIN approach and keeps thinks simple and effective.

www.cjwiley.com
 
I had a similar problem, but with the opposite spin. I would hit shots with left english poorly and miss easy shots. It popped up randomly and stayed there after a while. Eventually my game went down hill and I started compensating with a bad stroke to get left spin.

I'm right handed and right eye dominant. When the cue is slightly under my right eye, the game is easy. Occasionally, I turn my head and my left eye moves into the forefront of my aiming. The picture looks good, but I miss badly. I found that when I applied left english to the cue ball, I turned my head slightly and my head was not over the cue stick correctly.

It's a challenge to set up straight when you are used to doing a bad habit you didn't realize you had! Check your head position and eye alignment for spin both ways. If your stroke is straight, your alignment is obviously off. You have to force yourself to align for right and left english the same way, every time.

I set up a zillion shots with left spin and relearned where to hit the object ball. It seems I had forgotten where the contact points were because of my bad habit. After months of doing it, my brain learned how to miss because I wasn't seeing the shot right.

Life was good after I identified my subtle, yet frustrating flaw. I relearned left spin and where to aim. Now, a solid PSR keeps the yips manageable and old bad habits from returning.

Best,
Mike
 
I'm not clear whether your issue is strictly with right english specifically or inside english in relation to the shot. In your example, you said on a cut to the right you have a problem using right (inside) english. If cutting to the left, do you then miss using left english, or still only with right?

If it's always with right, I would agree with others that most likely is a perception issue. If it's actually when using inside in relation to the cut, I might have an answer for you.

When using outside english, we tend to pivot our cue more naturally then when using inside. So often we end up utilizing back hand english without really realizing it and still making the ball. If you are not consciously adjusting for the effect of english (squirt, curve, etc.), you might be getting lucky when using outside because of that pivot, but when using inside you might be making more of a parallel movement which will cause more squirt/deflection. Just a thought, I've seen that before, could be way off, hard to tell without more info.

Scott
 
CJ Wiley said:
I advise not using "english" unless you absolutely have to. Simply come down and cue the ball sightly Inside and use the weight of the cue ball to move it around the table.

Watch the champion players and you'll see the ones that win the most consistently use the least amount of spin, or english. Dennis O. is winning every tournament and rarely spins his ball, he uses the NO SPIN approach and keeps thinks simple and effective.

www.cjwiley.com
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I do avoid english when it's not needed. But sometimes, I encounter situations where i need to draw with english especially if the balls are on the other ends of the table near the short rail.

I watch the pros play, everyday. I admire how consistent they are . i will reach that one day ;). thanks bro
 
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