Who wants to see CJ on TAR?

[JAM]

There are at least as many people defending CJ and "attacking" any naysayers (look at some of the posts in this thread aimed at or about Lou Figueroa) as there are criticising him. Let's not pretend that CJ is in any way a victim here.

I'm looking at it from a different vantage point, I guess. I am posting on a pool forum, about pocket billiards. C.J. Wiley is a pool champion who is posting on this pool forum. I just think he deserves a wee bit of respect.

It's okay to disagree and bicker, but some of the posts directed his way are demeaning.

I don't know if pool can be compared to golf when it comes to aging. I see older golf champions still capable of winning. One thing about it, though, is those golf champions, as they age, are always given respect by their peers and the fans. In pool, it's not that way. I'm not sure why.

 

[Sloppy Pockets]

You sure you use "dick" a lot over something that happened 7 years ago...hmmm, do I make you feel that "brutal" inside?....interesting, very interesting.......I retract the statement about any "girl". You are very sick and need psychiatric care, this is an embarrassment to this Forum, TAR, Mark G., Jerry, Mike, Mr. Wilson and everyone else involved. This type of bitterness and resentment is disturbing on a level far beyond just "woofing" or "friendly banter". I would recommend seeking professional counselling before you harm yourself or others.

H-mmm... Interesting.

In other words, "I'm melting! I'm melting!!!"


See, Justin, this is the result of throwing water on a burning straw man.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=aopdD9Cu-So&desktop_uri=/watch?v=aopdD9Cu-So

And all this time I thought he was playing the part of the Wizard behind the curtain.

 

[JAM]

H-mmm... Interesting.

In other words, "I'm melting! I'm melting!!!"


See, Justin, this is the result of throwing water on a burning straw man.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=aopdD9Cu-So&desktop_uri=/watch?v=aopdD9Cu-So

And all this time I thought he was playing the part of the Wizard behind the curtain.

C.J. is not a burning strawman. He is a pool champion with pride, and rightfully so.

 

[one stroke]

C. j. never world class , ONESTROKE you are very wrong. how in the
world could you argue that. I saw C. J. masacare J.A when he was
considered the best player in the country not tournament for the cash.
Even all the C.J. knockers have enough since to know better than to say
something that stupid.
jack

I guess Im a little ignorant on the subject can you post all his world titles so I can be a better judge ,



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[CJ Wiley]

look at the bright side

I'm looking at it from a different vantage point, I guess. I am posting on a pool forum, about pocket billiards. C.J. Wiley is a pool champion who is posting on this pool forum. I just think he deserves a wee bit of respect.

It's okay to disagree and bicker, but some of the posts directed his way are demeaning.

I don't know if pool can be compared to golf when it comes to aging. I see older golf champions still capable of winning. One thing about it, though, is those golf champions, as they age, are always given respect by their peers and the fans. In pool, it's not that way. I'm not sure why.

Hey, look at the bright side, I got my wish. :thumbup: I knew things would work out eventually, it's just how life is. 'The Game of Life is the Teacher'

 

[JB Cases]

I guess Im a little ignorant on the subject can you post all his world titles so I can be a better judge ,

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Start here.

http://www.cjwileybilliards.com/about-cj.html

Note that this link is not for you as you clearly have no intention of giving CJ any credit. But some may like to read these two interviews.

 

[one stroke]

Start here.

http://www.cjwileybilliards.com/about-cj.html

Note that this link is not for you as you clearly have no intention of giving CJ any credit. But some may like to read these two interviews.

Not true I give him credit for being a great pool shooter in this country, However calling him world class is another thing unless you list runs very deep


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[JAM]

Man, listen to all this useless railbird chirping! :grin-square:

Oh, wait a minute. I'm a railbird too! :embarrassed2:

 

[SakuJack]

Note that this link is not for you as you clearly have no intention of giving CJ any credit.

There's a big difference between giving someone credit and openly idolising them. I realise that some here are not doing the former, however you are certainly guilty of the latter, based on some of your recent posts.

 

[JAM]

There's a big difference between giving someone credit and openly idolising them. I realise that some here are not doing the former, however you are certainly guilty of the latter, based on some of your recent posts.

I can see how you might misinterpret John's posts about C.J. as "idolising."

BTW, do you live in England? I just noticed your spelling with the "s" instead of the "z." I am working on a job right now that I have to use the British spellings, and I'm having dififculty remember which words are spelled differently, i.e., labour/labor, criticise/criticize, et cetera.

One word that comes to mind is "dialogue" (American version) or "dialog" (British version). This thread is a back-and-forth dialog, if you will, between all facets of the pool world.

As an industry member, which John Barton is, most do not tear into others in the industry. It may be that an industry member loathes another, but you will very rarely witness the successful industry members engaged in any negative activity in an open forum such as this. Sometimes you have to read between the lines. John is smarter than some may realize. Mark Griffin, Jerry Forsyth, Mike Howerton, Greg Sullivan, and Mike Zuglan are examples of this behavior.

Privately, Mike Zuglan might really dislike a pro player because of his behavior at his events, but you will never see him openly ripping him apart on AzBilliards.

John Barton is a smart businessman, which is why he's successful today. He's got a good product, to boot, which helps! :smile:

 

[JB Cases]

Not true I give him credit for being a great pool shooter in this country, However calling him world class is another thing unless you list runs very deep


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Well, is Shane world class?

CJ Played him to a draw for $500 a game.

Is Efren world class?

CJ beat him for big money.

Is Earl world class?

CJ beat him in the PCA's first tournament to win the event.

Was Steve Mizerak world class?

CJ beat him?

Is Johnny Archer world class?

CJ beat him four sets over two days on the big and little track.

I bet if Johhny Archer posted here you could ask him if CJ is world class, but oops you can't because Johnny doesn't think the forum is a good spot to hang out in after his last experience here. But if you want to bet on the answer I bet you a nice cold expensive beer that Johnny thinks CJ was and is world class. Send me your name and look me up at the SBE and I will pay off if Johnny doesn't think CJ is a world class player. I can ask him.

 

[JAM]

Well, is Shane world class?

CJ Played him to a draw for $500 a game.

Is Efren world class?

CJ beat him for big money.

Is Earl world class?

CJ beat him in the PCA's first tournament to win the event.

Was Steve Mizerak world class?

CJ beat him?

Is Johnny Archer world class?

CJ beat him four sets over two days on the big and little track.

I bet if Johhny Archer posted here you could ask him if CJ is world class, but oops you can't because Johnny doesn't think the forum is a good spot to hang out in after his last experience here. But if you want to bet on the answer I bet you a nice cold expensive beer that Johnny thinks CJ was and is world class. Send me your name and look me up at the SBE and I will pay off if Johnny doesn't think CJ is a world class player. I can ask him.

You know what's funny, every time I look at the poll, it goes up one more vote for C.J.

 

[JB Cases]

There's a big difference between giving someone credit and openly idolising them. I realise that some here are not doing the former, however you are certainly guilty of the latter, based on some of your recent posts.

Not idolizing anyone. But even if I were what's wrong with that when you seem not to have any problem with openly despising someone? If it's ok to tear a pro down, mostly from the shield of anonymity, then why isn't it ok to promote their accomplishments?

I just hold the opinion that professional players deserve better treatment here. As an amateur player I certainly do look up to the masters of the game and would like to soak up any wisdom they wish impart. As a leather worker I do the same with the masters of that craft.

Do you guys attack the former champions who post on the snooker forums like you attack pool champions here? I haven't frequented those forums in years but I honestly can't recall Terry Griffiths ever being attacked like you and others do to CJ. (I hope I remember correctly that Terry posts/posted on the snooker forums)

Is it because Terry stayed within the textbook orthodoxy of how to teach snooker? But what would happen if some amateur anon started attacking Terry? Would you speak out against it or gleefully watch a former champion get trolled?

 

[Sloppy Pockets]

C.J. is not a burning strawman. He is a pool champion with pride, and rightfully so.

Uh, CJ isn't the straw man here. Lol

Look, JAM, I don't want to get on your bad side, but CJ started this when he mentioned that he was "banned" from TAR. If he didn't whine about that, maybe his mistreatment of Justin way back then might not have been brought up. Champions aren't the only ones entitled to have pride. I'm sure Justin is proud of all he has accomplished in a field which he admits he knew absolutely nothing about when he started. How strong is that, to sell your own possessions and invest in expensive equipment just to pursue an idea?

In my mind, Justin is just as much a pool champion as CJ is, even if he can't hold a cue. We aren't all born with natural ability at this game. Expecting adoration for your God-given talent at every turn is like a beautiful woman expecting all to admire her for her beauty regardless of how she carries herself in public. I likes to look at pretty ladies, but I only resect them if they have the right stuff inside.

CJ is a pretty lady when it comes to pool (watch, now he'll question my sexuality like be has Lou and Justin), but how can you be blind to some of the mean-spirited and belittling comments he's made over the last seven months? He's no saint in this department, just look back and you'll see it for sure.

I'm about as big a nobody in the pool world as any who will ever post here, so I usually just pop some corn and watch the antics on AZ. But there is something just so wrong about the way CJ carries himself here that I feel compelled to offer my dos centavos. Maybe he needs to examine exactly why so many here are siding against him and stop blaming others for being "haters".

I'm no hater. I don't hate anybody, even people who've done me way worse than CJ ever could. This has absolutely nothing to do with him "bringing TOI to the world". It has everything to do with his presentation, and unbridled hubris which virtually oozes from his every post. If you want folks to lay off him, send him a PM explaining how things usually work on public forums. Obviously, he still hasn't a clue.

 

[JB Cases]

John Barton is a smart businessman, which is why he's successful today. He's got a good product, to boot, which helps! :smile:

So glad friendship is blind! Also I wanted to give you a message in rep but I have to spread it around more. So I will give it to you here, now more than ever people are beating cancer.

 

[Masayoshi]

Well, is Shane world class?

CJ Played him to a draw for $500 a game.

Is Efren world class?

CJ beat him for big money.

Is Earl world class?

CJ beat him in the PCA's first tournament to win the event.

Was Steve Mizerak world class?

CJ beat him?

Is Johnny Archer world class?

CJ beat him four sets over two days on the big and little track.

I bet if Johhny Archer posted here you could ask him if CJ is world class, but oops you can't because Johnny doesn't think the forum is a good spot to hang out in after his last experience here. But if you want to bet on the answer I bet you a nice cold expensive beer that Johnny thinks CJ was and is world class. Send me your name and look me up at the SBE and I will pay off if Johnny doesn't think CJ is a world class player. I can ask him.

I think his point was more addressing the definition of world class. If you consider a world class player to be one of the top 10 in the world, CJ might have been considered that at one point in time, but would have been borderline if considered at all and certainly would not be included in that list today. If your definition of world class extends to the the top 100, he would have certainly been considered world class at one point, and might still be if he lives up to recent hype, but its yet to be proven.

 

[JAM]

Uh, CJ isn't the straw man here. Lol

Look, JAM, I don't want to get on your bad side, but CJ started this when he mentioned that he was "banned" from TAR. If he didn't whine about that, maybe his mistreatment of Justin way back then might not have been brought up. Champions aren't the only ones entitled to have pride. I'm sure Justin is proud of all he has accomplished in a field which he admits he knew absolutely nothing about when he started. How strong is that, to sell your own possessions and invest in expensive equipment just to pursue an idea?

In my mind, Justin is just as much a pool champion as CJ is, even if he can't hold a cue. We aren't all born with natural ability at this game. Expecting adoration for your God-given talent at every turn is like a beautiful woman expecting all to admire her for her beauty regardless of how she carries herself in public. I likes to look at pretty ladies, but I only resect them if they have the right stuff inside.

CJ is a pretty lady when it comes to pool (watch, now he'll question my sexuality like be has Lou and Justin), but how can you be blind to some of the mean-spirited and belittling comments he's made over the last seven months? He's no saint in this department, just look back and you'll see it for sure.

I'm about as big a nobody in the pool world as any who will ever post here, so I usually just pop some corn and watch the antics on AZ. But there is something just so wrong about the way CJ carries himself here that I feel compelled to offer my dos centavos. Maybe he needs to examine exactly why so many here are siding against him and stop blaming others for being "haters".

I'm no hater. I don't hate anybody, even people who've done me way worse than CJ ever could. This has absolutely nothing to do with him "bringing TOI to the world". It has everything to do with his presentation, and unbridled hubris which virtually oozes from his every post. If you want folks to lay off him, send him a PM explaining how things usually work on public forums. Obviously, he still hasn't a clue.

I appreciate your post. I can definitely see where you're coming from. :smile:

Some of the points you make, well, the door swings both ways. I understand there will be supporters on each side of this, and that's okay. We all have those who we admire in the pool world.

I admire those who exhibit fairness to others. I don't care for the pack mentality of tag-teaming on forums.

Sometimes I think people on this forum view this back-and-forth colloquy as all fun and games. Maybe it is for them. I do believe that posting on a forum should be fun.

For some forum members, though, this is their business, their livelihood, and in some cases, their life. I think we all need to step back and take a look at who we're roasting here. I have strong feelings about a few in our pool industry which I would never post on this open forum, though they may have no problem roasting me. :angry:

There's a time and place for everything, but this forum isn't the place for such an ugly discourse. Those are just my thoughts. I realize not everyone will agree with them.

 

[JAM]

So glad friendship is blind! Also I wanted to give you a message in rep but I have to spread it around more. So I will give it to you here, now more than ever people are beating cancer.

Isn't that funny? I got the same message when I tried to rep you!

 

[sydbarret]

I voted yes. I think a lot of people including myself haven't got to see him play very much.

It would be a good draw and there are def several Americans that would step up.

MD vs CJ would be a huuuge draw for TAR! Especially if they bet sth, and I think both sides would have people liking their end.

 

[punter]

Uh, CJ isn't the straw man here. Lol

Look, JAM, I don't want to get on your bad side, but CJ started this when he mentioned that he was "banned" from TAR. If he didn't whine about that, maybe his mistreatment of Justin way back then might not have been brought up. Champions aren't the only ones entitled to have pride. I'm sure Justin is proud of all he has accomplished in a field which he admits he knew absolutely nothing about when he started. How strong is that, to sell your own possessions and invest in expensive equipment just to pursue an idea?

In my mind, Justin is just as much a pool champion as CJ is, even if he can't hold a cue. We aren't all born with natural ability at this game. Expecting adoration for your God-given talent at every turn is like a beautiful woman expecting all to admire her for her beauty regardless of how she carries herself in public. I likes to look at pretty ladies, but I only resect them if they have the right stuff inside.

CJ is a pretty lady when it comes to pool (watch, now he'll question my sexuality like be has Lou and Justin), but how can you be blind to some of the mean-spirited and belittling comments he's made over the last seven months? He's no saint in this department, just look back and you'll see it for sure.

I'm about as big a nobody in the pool world as any who will ever post here, so I usually just pop some corn and watch the antics on AZ. But there is something just so wrong about the way CJ carries himself here that I feel compelled to offer my dos centavos. Maybe he needs to examine exactly why so many here are siding against him and stop blaming others for being "haters".

I'm no hater. I don't hate anybody, even people who've done me way worse than CJ ever could. This has absolutely nothing to do with him "bringing TOI to the world". It has everything to do with his presentation, and unbridled hubris which virtually oozes from his every post. If you want folks to lay off him, send him a PM explaining how things usually work on public forums. Obviously, he still hasn't a clue.

I haven't read everything C.J. has posted so, I may have missed some of what you are talking about. Frankly, I see a former champion, who left the game pretty shortly after he rose to a position of a top player, purportedly to go into other businesses. Now he is getting back into pool. Yes, he has a lot of confidence, and yes he is selling dvd's. He obviously has a love for the game, and IMO, is trying to share what he feels is a way to approach the game that many have not been privy to. What's wrong with that?

You, IMO have taken sides and chosen to try and criticize C.J. while saying nothing of some of the things Justin said. The big man was slinging a few arrows too. They have every right to say whatever the mods will tolerate. I don't know either of these guys personally, and it's obvious there is some bad blood between them. I look forward to C.J. trying to get back into top competition, and I know TAR will continue to offer top matches.