TOI Certification

connecting the pyramids and TOI was a "curve ball".

2107 said:
Cj, I am not a hater and I enjoy your stories and most of the helpful info you post on this site. I will be banned very shortly because apparently all I did was cause shit on here lol :rolleyes:

Again, I am not a hater or a troll and below is a post I made about your TOI in the past trying to help people understand what your trying to teach.



I do not know if you are hurting for money or it is an "EGO" thing with you, but it is 100% one or the other or both. You are killing this aiming section lol!! In addition, I see it starting to happen in the main forum now. I am guessing you're working on something in partnership with Az billiards and that is why they are allowing this to happen?

Also can you please stop making totally ridiculous posts like the one below or I will come on here and call you on it, BE REAL!! :D TheChamp



PS; English,onepocket John there is no need for you to respond to this ok :smile: and yes poolsharkallen this is the champ so you or sflinien can report me as usual now :thumbup: Sorry Joe I had to do it :grin:
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That's actually funny....I wondered if anyone read my post about the pyramids, sometimes it's good to throw one of these in to see if PJ is still reading the forum. ;)

I'm not sure who "Champ" is, but that was an interesting first post for sure.....anyway, do you have any legitimate questions about the TOI, it is the "real deal" and everything I've stated is accurate, except connecting the pyramids and TOI was a "curve ball". :groucho:
 
CJ Wiley said:
That's actually funny....I wondered if anyone read my post about the pyramids, sometimes it's good to throw one of these in to see if PJ is still reading the forum. ;)

I'm not sure who "Champ" is, but that was an interesting first post for sure.....anyway, do you have any legitimate questions about the TOI, it is the "real deal" and everything I've stated is accurate, except connecting the pyramids and TOI was a "curve ball". :groucho:
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No its not PJ, I doubt Pj has made a single post since his ban on here and you can stop questioning if everyone is Pj that doesnt 100% agree with you :D and the Champ is a nobody :D I agree your system is real and has potential but I would tweak it. I would like to see a video of you shooting with the TOI facing the camera on a bunch of shots to see if you are trully parallel to the ctc/cte line. I could get into a pretty detailed discussion about your system with you but I will be banned in the middle of it. ;)
 
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see what happens to your visual perception.

2107 said:
No its not PJ, I doubt Pj has made a single post since his ban on here and you can stop questioning if everyone is Pj that doesnt 100% agree with you :D and the Champ is a nobody :D I agree your system is real and has potential but I would tweak it. I would like to see a video of you shooting with the TOI facing the camera on a bunch of shots to see if you are trully parallel to the ctc/cte line. I could get into a pretty detailed discussion about your system but I will be banned in the middle of it. ;)
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The CTC and CTE are alignment points (this is why it's not correct to "aim" at these points, you must just use them as reference points in your alignment, there's no "aiming" in the TOI approach once you're down on the shot) with the body as you're getting down on the shot.

You do move perfectly parallel to the TOI point, however, this will not necessarily be parallel to the CTC and CTE line (it would difficult to detect on camera, it's so slight, and shot making is more about feel, so getting too technical about "lines" is not useful, with TOI you're forcing the cue ball outside the "shot line" anyway), there is a visual illusion involved when you move Inside on the cue ball.

This {visual shift} is something that you can experience by setting up a straight in shot and then moving ALL THE WAY over to the inside and see what happens to your visual perception.

I adjust this slightly in personal lessons, and in writing I've chosen not to address it much because the only way you can experience it is by actually hitting pool shots, not by reading my posts. I may set up a couple of examples on video of "EXTREME TOI" shots to show how this happens in "real life" playing real shots.
 
Champ,

I actually like most all of your stuff. It is just when you are being a bit careful & make shor posts we/I'm not sure if it's you or someone else.

It's a bit difficult to interact when the other side is a big ? mark.

I'd be interested on how you would tweak TOI.

Maybe you can PM me or PM an e-mail address.

Regards & Best Wishes,
 
ENGLISH! said:
Champ,

I actually like most all of your stuff. It is just when you are being a bit careful & make shor posts we/I'm not sure if it's you or someone else.

It's a bit difficult to interact when the other side is a big ? mark.

I'd be interested on how you would tweak TOI.

Maybe you can PM me or PM an e-mail address.

Regards & Best Wishes,
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It is best you don't acknowledge me on this site Rick, This may lead to a "hate on" for you from Wilson or housepro and could lead to a ban. Strange things happen on this site :wink:
 
CJ Wiley said:
The CTC and CTE are alignment points (this is why it's not correct to "aim" at these points, you must just use them as reference points in your alignment, there's no "aiming" in the TOI approach once you're down on the shot) with the body as you're getting down on the shot.

You do move perfectly parallel to the TOI point, however, this will not necessarily be parallel to the CTC and CTE line (it would difficult to detect on camera, it's so slight, and shot making is more about feel, so getting too technical about "lines" is not useful, with TOI you're forcing the cue ball outside the "shot line" anyway), there is a visual illusion involved when you move Inside on the cue ball.

This {visual shift} is something that you can experience by setting up a straight in shot and then moving ALL THE WAY over to the inside and see what happens to your visual perception.

I adjust this slightly in personal lessons, and in writing I've chosen not to address it much because the only way you can experience it is by actually hitting pool shots, not by reading my posts. I may set up a couple of examples on video of "EXTREME TOI" shots to show how this happens in "real life" playing real shots.
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CJ,

That bolded statement may be what has been holding me & perhaps others back a bit. If the cue is not parallel to those lines, then what is it parallel to? I can not get enough 'squirt'/deflection to just use the ctc & cte alignments. That is why I planned to try going back to regular shafts vs. LD's

But if the cue is parallel to a different 'line' then that may be my & others' problem. I have wondered if you were at times subconsciously using your CB fractional aiming system.

I'm all ears.

Regards,
 
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It is best you don't acknowledge me on this site Rick, This may lead to a "hate on" for you from Wilson or housepro and could lead to a ban. Strange things happen on this site :wink:
 
2107 said:
It is best you don't acknowledge me on this site Rick, This may lead to a "hate on" for you from Wilson or housepro and could lead to a ban. Strange things happen on this site :wink:
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I certainly do not know all of the history.
 
This is something I can show someone on the table in a matter of minutes

ENGLISH! said:
CJ,

That bolded statement may be what has been holding me & perhaps others back a bit. If the cue is not parallel to those lines, then what is it parallel to? I can not get enough 'squirt'/deflection to just use the ctc & cte alignments. That is why I planned to try going back to regular shafts vs. LD's

But if the cue is parallel to a different 'line' then that may be my & others' problem. I have wondered if you were at times subconsciously using your CB fractional aiming system.

I'm all hears.

Regards,
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The reason there is no "fool proof" aiming methods is there's variables caused by the deflection and spin of the cue ball. There is no "perfect" visual way to aim because playing at the highest levels is about FEEL, not eyesight. Pool, like golf and other games is about forcing the ball OUTSIDE the shot line, not trying to hit it perfectly straight.

Shane just won two big tournaments last week and made a post on Face Book that said "I feel like I'm playing good".....this is how all champions express "playing good," or in Efren's case "getting lucky." We all have developed a "visual feel" and this is what I'm teaching, and it's not something you can conceptualize, you MUST experience it, or leave it alone.

The reason TOI is so effective is it allows a margin of error in your stroke and cue ball target. People have always tried to say there's no such thing as "maximizing margin of error" in pool, however, they don't "real eyes" the margin of error is on the cue ball, not in the pocket. Where the object ball contacts the pocket is a DIRECT result of where you contact the cue ball, therefore if you position your tip slightly inside you can utilize the "3 Part Pocket System".

This gives you the ability to slightly "miss" hit the cue ball and still control the shot. This CAN NOT happen if you are aiming at the center and the shot deviation can be on either side causing the cue ball to deflect/veer in two different directions. I've explained this in many different ways and it all comes down to experiencing it for yourself. When you start to understand and control the cue ball's deviation you will raise your game from the foundation, not just "tweak the problems".

This is something I can show someone on the table in a matter of minutes, however, it's difficult to understand if you have no referential index to compare it to. This can also be done by "throwing" your shots in (like Earl does), however, this takes much more talent and practice than it does using the TOI System. I didn't practice more than an hour or two a day even when I was the #1 player in the world rankings.
 
CJ,

There is nothing new to my ears & nothing about the NEW parallel in that reply.

If the TOI is not parallel to the the alignment line, CTC or CTE, then to what does it wind up being parallel?

Regards,
 
Aiming/Ball Pocketing requires a feel for the pocket, object ball and cue ball

ENGLISH! said:
CJ,

There is nothing new to my ears & nothing about the NEW parallel in that reply.

If the TOI is not parallel to the the alignment line, CTC or CTE, then to what does it wind up being parallel?

Regards,
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As long as your shift is initiated with your back hand your TOI position will more likely be correct (the true test is simply making the ball). There can be no pivoting or you will undercut the shots. Once you establish your TOI position you can "aim" at a "contact point" or just be aware of the object ball. I don't "aim" at anything visually, my main objective when stroking the cue ball is to maximize my feel/touch, not my vision.

Aiming/Ball Pocketing requires a feel for the pocket, object ball and cue ball, however you must have a system to master this. TOI blends these factors together so you can use your "mental horsepower" where it's needed, rather than to make corrections. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
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