Pro one/CTE is hard

Primo said:
I have been learning the system. In your opinion can you explain how Stan made the balls with the curtain blocking the pocket? I know everyone has a feel for where the pocket is but that will only help so much, thanks in advanced.
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Can you explain why you can't make balls with a curtain blocking the pocket when using CTE?

Can anyone other than Stan, do the blanket hiding pocket shots using CTE, say someone that just got the DVD's and only playing for a month?

The trick to the blanket hiding pocket shots is there is still enough visual references to use to know where the pocket is located without seeing them. Kinda like the soccer player making a goal and not looking at the net cause he is using other visual references to know where he is on the field and therefore knows where the goal is.

Now if he was looking down a tube and could only see the OB and CB and no other part of the table ie the rails, I think the results would be different.

The thing about test results is that have to be repeatable by others before the results can be considered reliable.
 
mohrt said:
You are basing your conclusions on your analytical assumptions of the system. It is a visual system, and the placement of the CB/OB on the table does affect the outcome.
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The only "analytical assumption" is that it's never true that 1=2, or 1=3, or 1=4 or any other number other than 1. This, the law of identity, is such a fundamental precept of thought that no rational thinker would deny it. Sweeping CTE's obvious violation under the hazy cover of "visual system" does not make the violation go away, and no amount of practicing will ever demonstrate an exception to this rule.

mohrt said:
When I execute a shot precisely with the prescribed steps, I end up at center pocket. Whatever I'm doing is part of the system, and not something I'm adjusting based on previous shot experience.
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Sorry, but this is impossible. I know it's rude to question what you firmly believe to be experiencing first hand, but I can't come to any other conclusion based on the above. I do appreciate your taking the time to try and fill me/us in. Any further thoughts would also be welcomed.

Jim
 
8pack said:
Im sure the ones mudding up the water own the dvd and have a rite to there opinions,questions,there understanding of how the system works.I own it ,followed the rules and came up a little short on pocketing balls.Just couldnt get it to work on all shots.Im very sure there are others that feel the same.

The instructions aren't to hard to follow,but why is it some of us cant get it to work all the time?Do we just do it rite part of the time?:)

People been going at it for months or longer saying there still learning it.How hard is it to approach a shot and judge if its a ,A,B,C Alinement?Not to tough at all,and your still having trouble.Shouldnt take a few hours to get a really good feel on the rite alinement.
Also I bet some of the guys you call mudding up the waters can play a little to.:wink:
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You aren't going to want to hear it, or believe it, but you miss some shots because your stroke is not straight enough or because you weren't careful enough with your visuals.

I say that out of experience. Some days, I start out good, then miss a relatively easy shot. I set it back up, miss it again. Keep doing that, keep missing it. What the heck? Did I find a shot it doesn't work on? So, I set it back up and try a different aiming system. I might make it, might not. But, especially if I do, I keep setting that shot up and now am extremely careful in my setup, doing it manually. Guess what ? It goes in. Do it again, goes in again. What's that tell me? First, it tells me that the system DOES wok correctly, it's me that doesn't always work correctly. If I made it with the other system, my stroke is fine, but my visuals were off. If I missed it with the other system, I know that most likely my stroke is off. Hard to admit, because it felt fine. But, the table tells it like it is.

I have tested CTE/Pro One and 90/90 enough to know that I CAN trust them both completely. If I miss, it wasn't the system, it was me.
 
Jal said:
The only "analytical assumption" is that it's never true that 1=2, or 1=3, or 1=4 or any other number other than 1. This, the law of identity, is such a fundamental precept of thought that no rational thinker would deny it. Sweeping CTE's obvious violation under the hazy cover of "visual system" does not make the violation go away, and no amount of practicing will ever demonstrate an exception to this rule.

Sorry, but this is impossible. I know it's rude to question what you firmly believe to be experiencing first hand, but I can't come to any other conclusion based on the above. I do appreciate your taking the time to try and fill me/us in. Any further thoughts would also be welcomed.

Jim
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I appreciate the sincere interest to discuss. I think the problem is the difference in how you perceive the aiming lines as drawn on paper, and how our eyes actually perceive these lines in 3d space on a table in relation to the pockets. Until you are willing to try, you just won't see it. If you believe it to be impossible, then the very definition of your understanding is incorrect. This my be due to my inability to explain it to you. But a sure fire way to understand is to give it a fair try.
 
mohrt said:
Everyone has their own pace. It took me several months to really make it click working on it just once a week or so when I had a chance to. Now I have table at home, a luxury I wish I had long ago!

It's not hard, it's just different. If you can recall learning how to ride a bike... it can be frustrating at first but once you get it the learning just accelerates.
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Mohrt thanks for your help seriously ,I know your putting what you feel is rite into your words but I stop trying to figure it out long ago.I feel i figured it out and thats why we tend to disagree .Could I be wrong?Maybe but what I feel is the biggest issue is the visual sweep.Not mine but the people who create 2 different angles off the the same,cb and ob being the same but angle has changed.
Believe me I wanted the system to work in such away that all I had do is this an that and im there but it didnt happen for me.

Anthony
 
Primo said:
Well I believe I can make balls with a curtain hiding the pocket. I can make banks with a curtain blocking also but not at the percentage stan can. I don't have the ambition to reach that level of skill and knowledge that stan possess.

There is no trick to the blanket video.The system is designed to work with the table dimensions! no tricks or magic involved.

So if someone were to make a video of what Stan did then you would consider the system legit? I doubt that :)

Give me a couple hours and i will try and give you an example from youtube. I will take a random clip of some pro playing and give you an idea.
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Spiderweb made a video shooting into a corner pocket with a curtain over 1/2 of the table using Hal's version of CTE a few years ago before CTE/Pro1.
 
8pack said:
Im sure the ones mudding up the water own the dvd and have a rite to there opinions,questions,there understanding of how the system works.I own it ,followed the rules and came up a little short on pocketing balls.Just couldnt get it to work on all shots.Im very sure there are others that feel the same.

The instructions aren't to hard to follow,but why is it some of us cant get it to work all the time?Do we just do it rite part of the time?:)

People been going at it for months or longer saying there still learning it.How hard is it to approach a shot and judge if its a ,A,B,C Alinement?Not to tough at all,and your still having trouble.Shouldnt take a few hours to get a really good feel on the rite alinement.
Also I bet some of the guys you call mudding up the waters can play a little to.:wink:
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Some engineer types believe that although (left edge), "A" (1/4), "B" (1/2), "C" (3/4) and 1/8 on the OB are constants and will appear on the OB in the same location for every shot/angle as though it were a printed disk, we know that those fractions define different points on the circumference as the cut angle changes even though the image is the same.

In cutting to the left, if we aim the left edge of the CB at the left edge of the OB, we will be close to a straight in shot or a thick cut angle (CTC).

If we want a thinner cut angle, we can aim the left edge of he CB toward "A" 1/4 ball and be close to a 14 degree cut.

For an even thinner cut, we can aim the left edge of the CB at "B" 1/2 ball and be close to a 30 degree cut (CTE).

For an even thinner cut, we can aim the left edge of the CB at "C" 3/4 ball and be close to a 50 degree cut.

For an even thinner cut, we can aim the left edge of the CB at the right edge of the OBl and be close to a 90 degree cut (ETE).

With time at the table (many hours), one can see the relative locations of the pocket/target, OB and CB and recall where on the OB to aim the edge of the CB. I can do this and can make adjustments for the angles in between the fractions with my cue tip a bit to the side, top, draw, inside and outside English.

Eventually, I don't even think about fractions for I see the shot at hand while standing and move into the shot from memory. This happens to me with other aiming systems and I can rapidly capture the solution almost instinctively...like being "in the zone or dead punch".

I understand that what I described isn't CTE/Pro1 but it is also why I know that it works.

I saw this reality with Hal's CTE years ago.

Just saying.:)
 
8pack said:
People been going at it for months or longer saying there still learning it.How hard is it to approach a shot and judge if its a ,A,B,C Alinement?Not to tough at all,and your still having trouble.Shouldnt take a few hours to get a really good feel on the rite alinement.
Also I bet some of the guys you call mudding up the waters can play a little to.:wink:
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People go through the same learning curve with GB, CP, feel, etc.
 
Here's another diagram of two different shots that can be made with the same exact visuals and sweep/pivot.

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I'll give my two cents as to why it works. The key, after finding the visuals, is the center of the fixed CB. You must understand that the center of the fixed CB is not the same center of the CB you use to find the CTE line.


Your stroke/aim line is NOT going to be on the CTE line.
 
LAMas said:
Some engineer types believe that although (left edge), "A" (1/4), "B" (1/2), "C" (3/4) and 1/8 on the OB are constants and will appear on the OB in the same location for every shot/angle as though it were a printed disk, we know that those fractions define different points on the circumference as the cut angle changes even though the image is the same.

In cutting to the left, if we aim the left edge of the CB at the left edge of the OB, we will be close to a straight in shot or a thick cut angle (CTC).

If we want a thinner cut angle, we can aim the left edge of he CB toward "A" 1/4 ball and be close to a 14 degree cut.

For an even thinner cut, we can aim the left edge of the CB at "B" 1/2 ball and be close to a 30 degree cut (CTE).

For an even thinner cut, we can aim the left edge of the CB at "C" 3/4 ball and be close to a 50 degree cut.

For an even thinner cut, we can aim the left edge of the CB at the right edge of the OBl and be close to a 90 degree cut (ETE).

With time at the table (many hours), one can see the relative locations of the pocket/target, OB and CB and recall where on the OB to aim the edge of the CB. I can do this and can make adjustments for the angles in between the fractions with my cue tip a bit to the side, top, draw, inside and outside English.

Eventually, I don't even think about fractions for I see the shot at hand while standing and move into the shot from memory. This happens to me with other aiming systems and I can rapidly capture the solution almost instinctively...like being "in the zone or dead punch".

I understand that what I described isn't CTE/Pro1 but it is also why I know that it works.

I saw this reality with Hal's CTE years ago.

Just saying.:)
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You don't know Hal's CTE.

Stan Shuffett
 
Another CTE debate. Surprise surprise.
Any form of debate good or bad is good publicity.
Looking forward to DVD2.
I think Stan may have also benefited from the discussions on this board as to different ways to present and demonstrate his Pro one.
Keep on debating :smile:
Cheers.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Here's another diagram of two different shots that can be made with the same exact visuals and sweep/pivot.

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I'll give my two cents as to why it works. The key, after finding the visuals, is the center of the fixed CB. You must understand that the center of the fixed CB is not the same center of the CB you use to find the CTE line.


Your stroke/aim line is NOT going to be on the CTE line.
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You are getting pretty good on this CTE stuff.

Stan Shuffett
 
Primo said:
The two visual sweeps off the same alignment are two individually separate shot lines. In my opinion they are similar to quarter ball adjustments (example and I don't know what wording to use so I will say "quarter ball") Somehow the two sweeps place you on two different correct shot lines. These sweeps are tieing the system together with the table dimensions. How Stan was able to figure that out, I have no clue? The system is like a puzzle and everything seems to fall into place. Again how Stan was able to figure that out, i have no clue but it was a lot of hard work or he is a genius.
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Thank you for your positive comments Yes, it was exactly like a puzzle and at times I thought that I would never solve it but the major pieces came together 3 years ago. It was a year ago that I discovered the the ties to the table that I had been hoping to uncover.

Stan Shuffett
 
duckie said:
Can you explain why you can't make balls with a curtain blocking the pocket when using CTE?

Can anyone other than Stan, do the blanket hiding pocket shots using CTE, say someone that just got the DVD's and only playing for a month?

The trick to the blanket hiding pocket shots is there is still enough visual references to use to know where the pocket is located without seeing them. Kinda like the soccer player making a goal and not looking at the net cause he is using other visual references to know where he is on the field and therefore knows where the goal is.

Now if he was looking down a tube and could only see the OB and CB and no other part of the table ie the rails, I think the results would be different.

The thing about test results is that have to be repeatable by others before the results can be considered reliable.
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Well, you have been practicing ghost ball with the arrow for how many years now?

So if you do a video where you make the same 40 shots that Stan did without seeing the pockets I will give you $1000.

Duplicate the setup and shoot them in. I will allow you to use the arrow on all your shots.

If you think it's a trick then you should be able to easily duplicate it as all the same references exist for you as well.

So free $1000 if you can make all 40 of Stan's shots. You have until next Friday to make the video and present it to us.
 
duckie said:
Now if he was looking down a tube and could only see the OB and CB and no other part of the table ie the rails, I think the results would be different.
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Stan Shuffet could shoot it upside down, underwater , wearing a face mask and snorkel and injected with Morphine and it still wouldn't satisfy you.
 
Cte/pro one

Hello!
CTE/PRO ONE is not hard to learn. I learned it in a few weeks after viewing the video. I have never really known about aiming until I viewed CTE/PRO ONE. After 36 years of playing pool I realized that I was a good guesser at aiming. Now After studying CTE/PRO ONE, I know now why and how I made so many balls and won many tournaments. No longer I have to address the cue ball and align a shot and wonder if the object ball will go in the pocket. What I like about CTE is that the system show you how to aim correctly. I also use a few more lessons learn to compliment my aiming. I am a BCA Pool instructor in San Antonio, Tx. If anyone is willing to learn CTE/PRO ONE I will be happy to teach the system to you. (210) 204-8559. I am not under any obligation promoting Mr. Stan Shuffett or his Aiming system. CTE/PRO ONE is a system that most Pro's use without even realizing it. If you understand the aiming system, watch some matches on you tube with PRO's like Johnny Archer, Mika Immonen, Ralph Souquet and Stevie Moore.

Kenneth Lewis
PBIA
 
I realize that many people cannot get to Stan for a personal lesson. However for those of us who have taken the lesson, who have spent the time required practicing the lessons and shots displayed, and have taken the time necessary to grasp how the system works, we know CTE/Pro One works and are confident in it's ability to help us make shots. The video DVD 1 is a good source of information, but nothing beats hands on experience from a distinguished instructor. Just because I don't understand quantum physics doesn't mean it's too difficult to learn. You just have to put more time in with the system and analyze everything. Give the system time and it will come to you. *In Stan we Trust* LOL
 
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