Is this a Brunswick table?

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68L71

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This table has been in my family since 1980. My parents recently gave it to me and I have been interested in knowing more about it. It has a Schaaf name plate on it that looks like it is from the 40’s or 50’s, but under that plate is the mortised outline of the Brunswick name plate and real old looking glue. At first I thought for sure it was a Brunswick, but then I realized many manufacturers had the same fancy shaped logo. The table is pro 8 sized and is built in sections. It looks similar to a Reno or Coreno but, those tables according to the Brunswick website were not built in sections.

If it is a Brunswick I am wondering what name plate it might have come with as well as what rail bolt covers it may have had.

I can't post pictures until I have 5 posts and my 2nd post is pending moderator approval so hopefully I can get the pictures up soon.


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It has a Schaaf name plate on it that looks like it is from the 40’s or 50’s, but under that plate is the mortised outline of the Brunswick name plate and real old looking glue.
 
Hard to tell from the pics, I'm looking at my phone. Its definitely Brunswick, Schaaf never made tables. Possibly a Brunswick Coreno??
 
Anything in particular I can get a better picture of to help determine?

Did other manufactures use the same shape logo as brunswick? Or did cushion manufacturers just make logos in the same shape so they could put them in place of the brunswick logo? Unfortunetly who ever put the schaaf plate on mortised out a square, so it would be difficult to go back to the brunswick logo.
 
magnetardo said:
Schaaf never made tables...
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Do you know of some kind of documentation to verify this?
I know that Schaaf had an extensive production facility, for a whole range of products, so I was under the impression (also from their advertising) that they probably did produce at least a limited line of tables at one point in time.
But of course i couldn't swear to it, as most of my research has been primarily Chicago-centric.
 
68L71 said:
Anything in particular I can get a better picture of to help determine?

Did other manufactures use the same shape logo as brunswick? Or did cushion manufacturers just make logos in the same shape so they could put them in place of the brunswick logo? Unfortunetly who ever put the schaaf plate on mortised out a square, so it would be difficult to go back to the brunswick logo.
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A picture of a corner of the main frame, from above looking down would help.

Cushion distributors, table repairmen, supply (and resale) houses all had nameplates made to imitate Brunswick plates.
 
Mr. Bond said:
A picture of a corner of the main frame, from above looking down would help.

Cushion distributors, table repairmen, supply (and resale) houses all had nameplates made to imitate Brunswick plates.
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Thanks for the information. Unfortunetly the table is now setup so I can't get a picture of the frame like you mentioned. If the pocket irons are nickle plated would it have had a brass name plate or silver? Do you think a flat stamped plate or a raised letter plate would have been used?
 
Mr. Bond said:
Do you know of some kind of documentation to verify this?
I know that Schaaf had an extensive production facility, for a whole range of products, so I was under the impression (also from their advertising) that they probably did produce at least a limited line of tables at one point in time.
But of course i couldn't swear to it, as most of my research has been primarily Chicago-centric.
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That's what Jack Schaaf told me in the 80's. Guess he could have been
 
magnetardo said:
That's what Jack Schaaf told me in the 80's. Guess he could have been
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Well I suppose its perfectly reasonable to believe one of the family. That's cool, I'm glad you mentioned that. One less mystery to solve somewhere down the line.

On a slightly more trivial note, the original founder of Tweeten, Oscar Tweeten and Schaaf founder, Val Schaaf, used to be "friends " back in the 20s.
 
68L71 said:
Thanks for the information. Unfortunetly the table is now setup so I can't get a picture of the frame like you mentioned. If the pocket irons are nickle plated would it have had a brass name plate or silver? Do you think a flat stamped plate or a raised letter plate would have been used?
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Don't worry about the photo, I'm pretty darn sure its a Brunswick based on what I can see. The original nameplate is a tricky call because without seeing them up close, I can't tell you for sure if those are even the original rails. It's not unusual at all to find mismatched rails.

If you're going to pull off a total restoration, give Ken Hash a call and he can hook you up with a proper Brunswick nameplate for your table. But if no restoration is being done, if it were me, I'd keep the Schaaf plate on the table. The nameplate in and of itself is a piece of history and part of the tables character. A battle scar or even a badge of honor so to speak. But hey, that's just my opinion. Enjoy your table!
 
Mr. Bond said:
Well I suppose its perfectly reasonable to believe one of the family. That's cool, I'm glad you mentioned that. One less mystery to solve somewhere down the line.

On a slightly more trivial note, the original founder of Tweeten, Oscar Tweeten and Schaaf founder, Val Schaaf, used to be "friends " back in the 20s.
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Now that I think about it, I remember that tweeten's first trip in an actual airplane, (which was a pretty big deal in 1929) was to go visit with Schaaf in MN and show off his new mechanical pencil for keeping score in bowling. ( the ancestor of today's erasable markers)

Tweeten was quite the geek it seems and his invention landed him a spot in the hearts of mechanical pencil nerds everywhere. There's a book in the works as we speak..

LOL
 
Mr. Bond said:
Well I suppose its perfectly reasonable to believe one of the family. That's cool, I'm glad you mentioned that. One less mystery to solve somewhere down the line.

On a slightly more trivial note, the original founder of Tweeten, Oscar Tweeten and Schaaf founder, Val Schaaf, used to be "friends " back in the 20s.
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Well Val's grandson (not sure if it was Jacks son or nephew) claimed years later that his grandfather did make tables but I'm pretty sure Jack was right and that Schaaf only serviced tables and did sales and Installs. I guess anything is possible???
 
Yes I agree on leaving the Schaaf plate. I was just mostly curious. I am sure the rails are original. Every single piece is stamped M99580. It also has stamped numbers and markings to ensure all pieces go in their correct location. Here are a few more pic including what it looks like under the Schaaf plate.

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68L71 said:
Yes I agree on leaving the Schaaf plate. I was just mostly curious.....
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I was looking at Schaaf listings in the Minn. directories and the address on your nameplate indicates that it's younger than 1929. In other words, some time after 1929 their address changed to the one on your nameplate. I strongly suspect that during or shortly after the 'great depression' is when they relocated and downsized.

See the image below from 1929 for their prior address

magnetardo said:
Well Val's grandson (not sure if it was Jacks son or nephew) claimed years later that his grandfather did make tables but I'm pretty sure Jack was right and that Schaaf only serviced tables and did sales and Installs. I guess anything is possible???
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I want to believe that its an easy question to answer, then I have to go and run into something like this, to screw my head all up :rolleyes:
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Is it possible they made everything but the rails and sourced those from Brunswick and slapped their nameplate on?
 
From what I have read it seems my table was likely in a commercial setting and Schaaf was contracted to maintain it. They would change the logo to get advertising.
 
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