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jwilliams said:
You do realize that 3 of those 5 have actually won it before correct?
And with Dennis's gear...he's always got a shot.

So just how many years do I get to win this bet? 10yrs? 20yrs?

Since the statement is that they have the capability of winning the tournament. Not that they're currently odds on favorites.
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You get these odds each year. Post now for this year. Next year we will bet it again.
 
JumpinJoe said:
Can we get your complete top 8 money players?
And what makes them the top 8 money players? Do they bet the most. Or win the most. I'm very curious thru a PROS eyes what this means.
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Well I spent 3 months in Manila 2006 and 2007 another 5 months and 3 months in USA all on road playing money matches .. I seen so many great money games in Asia and states ...and played loads myself but I will exclude myself anyway

For me if everyone playing there best with regular rack on neutral venue
My top 8 be for money matches
1. Alex pagulayan
2.dennis orcullo
Then Rest no order
Bustamante
Yang
Reyes
Corteza
Biado
Shane
Alcano
Kiamco
Jin Lin Chang
Archer

Not seen ko pin yi or wu play for money

Tournaments on current form world wide past 2 years I will exclude myself lol.

1.orcullo most consistant player worldwide
2.jin Lin Chang great 8ball,9ball,10ball player
3.lee van Corteza great 9ball and 10ball player
4.ko pin yi great 9ball and. 10ball player best breaker I ever see.
5.wu chia Ching can't leave him out even though he just come back
6. Bustamante still going strong great all around player
7.shane v Boeing but need to prove himself outside of USA .amAzing dedication
8.ralf Souquet even though last 18months not played his game ..

My all time top players
1.efren Reyes
Then no order
.johnny archer
earl Strickland
.wu chia Ching
.ralf Souquet
alex pagulayan
dennis orcullo
.bustamante
Mika Immonen
Alcano
Svb.
Ralf Souquet

All these my era.. I know nick Varner probably greatest all around American player
 
dynamite said:
Well I spent 3 months in Manila 2006 and 2007 another 5 months and 3 months in USA all on road playing money matches .. I seen so many great money games in Asia and states ...and played loads myself but I will exclude myself anyway

For me if everyone playing there best with regular rack on neutral venue
My top 8 be for money matches
1. Alex pagulayan
2.dennis orcullo
Then Rest no order
Bustamante
Yang
Reyes
Corteza
Biado
Shane
Alcano
Kiamco
Jin Lin Chang
Archer

Not seen ko pin yi or wu play for money
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that's actually just what I said before....alex and dennis are the best at the moment...shane would be number 3 amongst others...like darren appleton :thumbup:

by the way darren what about melling? I remember him being the only one in manila beating the filippinos regularly...

Just adding one thing:

Wu is the best player in the world in my opinion and I'm sure he will prove himself in the next years...time will tell...
Looking forward seeing him at the top again after all he has been through...
 
dynamite said:
Well I spent 3 months in Manila 2006 and 2007 another 5 months and 3 months in USA all on road playing money matches .. I seen so many great money games in Asia and states ...and played loads myself but I will exclude myself anyway

For me if everyone playing there best with regular rack on neutral venue
My top 8 be for money matches
1. Alex pagulayan
2.dennis orcullo
Then Rest no order
Bustamante
Yang
Reyes
Corteza
Biado
Shane
Alcano
Kiamco
Jin Lin Chang
Archer

Not seen ko pin yi or wu play for money

Tournaments on current form world wide past 2 years I will exclude myself lol.

1.orcullo most consistant player worldwide
2.jin Lin Chang great 8ball,9ball,10ball player
3.lee van Corteza great 9ball and 10ball player
4.ko pin yi great 9ball and. 10ball player best breaker I ever see.
5.wu chia Ching can't leave him out even though he just come back
6. Bustamante still going strong great all around player
7.shane v Boeing but need to prove himself outside of USA .amAzing dedication
8.ralf Souquet even though last 18months not played his game ..

My all time top players
1.efren Reyes
Then no order
.johnny archer
earl Strickland
.wu chia Ching
.ralf Souquet
alex pagulayan
dennis orcullo
.bustamante
Mika Immonen
Alcano
Svb.
Ralf Souquet

All these my era.. I know nick Varner probably greatest all around American player
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Thanks for the reply
I agree with your top choice in each category. This is 'pros' only I see. Because if the likes of some of the better hustlers got to spend a few months day in day out with these guys in the same rooms, well these guys would be busted. They play the best but never match up the best.

Alex definitely best all around money player now a days. Plays every single game, except Bonus Ball, lol

Efren greatest all around of all time easily.

Nick Varner without a doubt the best all around American player to ever hold a cue IMO.
 
thank you

dynamite said:
Well I spent 3 months in Manila 2006 and 2007 another 5 months and 3 months in USA all on road playing money matches .. I seen so many great money games in Asia and states ...and played loads myself but I will exclude myself anyway

For me if everyone playing there best with regular rack on neutral venue
My top 8 be for money matches
1. Alex pagulayan
2.dennis orcullo
Then Rest no order
Bustamante
Yang
Reyes
Corteza
Biado
Shane
Alcano
Kiamco
Jin Lin Chang
Archer

Not seen ko pin yi or wu play for money

Tournaments on current form world wide past 2 years I will exclude myself lol.

1.orcullo most consistant player worldwide
2.jin Lin Chang great 8ball,9ball,10ball player
3.lee van Corteza great 9ball and 10ball player
4.ko pin yi great 9ball and. 10ball player best breaker I ever see.
5.wu chia Ching can't leave him out even though he just come back
6. Bustamante still going strong great all around player
7.shane v Boeing but need to prove himself outside of USA .amAzing dedication
8.ralf Souquet even though last 18months not played his game ..

My all time top players
1.efren Reyes
Then no order
.johnny archer
earl Strickland
.wu chia Ching
.ralf Souquet
alex pagulayan
dennis orcullo
.bustamante
Mika Immonen
Alcano
Svb.
Ralf Souquet

All these my era.. I know nick Varner probably greatest all around American player
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thanks for coming on here your opinion means a lot and we all love to talk about these things right or wrong. I am surprised Kiamco is on your list I would have guessed he was a little farther down on what I have personally seen. great player no doubt just didn't know he was that high.
 
JumpinJoe said:
You get these odds each year. Post now for this year. Next year we will bet it again.
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You seem to be missing the point here.
At no point and time did I ever say they were "odds on favorites to win."
And I've reiterated it several times.
So either you're illiterate or you're being obtuse.

And my statement in regards to the bet, was that it's a one time bet. It's not a re-bet every year. You wanna bet 8 to 1, on a one time bet that none of them ever win, until the last one retires or dies. Deal!
 
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Celtic said:
No, actually "right" and "wrong" exist whether or not you are actually aware of the reality of your stance being one or the other. I don't have to make a list, these guys do it for me.

http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/rankings

I'm a lost cause?! lol
What was one of the very first things I posted in regards to all of this?
I believe it was, "don't throw up pointless rankings, that are biased."

And what did you just post. A listing of the "TOP" players according an organization that only counts certain tournaments.
What a joke!

The only reason you don't see any of the people I named is because the only tournament any of them actually play in is the US Open because there's not enough sponsorship money in pool to make it worth traveling halfway around the world.

But whatever...think what you want...I'm done with conversation, because it really is true that you should never argue with a fool, they'll just drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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gentleman789 said:
that's actually just what I said before....alex and dennis are the best at the moment...shane would be number 3 amongst others...like darren appleton :thumbup:

by the way darren what about melling? I remember him being the only one in manila beating the filippinos regularly...

Just adding one thing:

Wu is the best player in the world in my opinion and I'm sure he will prove himself in the next years...time will tell...
Looking forward seeing him at the top again after all he has been through...
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No Melling just played 200-300$ sets he back and forth against c players over there Melling much better tournament player than he his for money

I think am the only guy to go there and win money I come away 15k winner in 2007 after 3-6 months there .. Played around 30 big matches 2k$ min bets sometimes 10k$ bets I played the likes of lee van Corteza i won big set.gabica, i was slightly ahead .Jerome Pena i was ahead ,Carlo biado he beat me 9ball so i doubles the bet and beat him at 10ball . since then we just bet small.kiamco played many times 8ball i beat him alot , he got the edge in 10ball..Jeff de Luna i beat him alot,Gomez i win,and many more in big sets I won more than I lost .. I played efren and busta etc cheap sets they had the edge in those small sets ..was amazing experience ..

To someone else's question about Kiamco his a great money player he beat Shane big in Manila and many other players and he recently drilled Jayson shaw.. Very quite man so ppl underrate him ..
 
gentleman789 said:
that's actually just what I said before....alex and dennis are the best at the moment...shane would be number 3 amongst others...like darren appleton :thumbup:

by the way darren what about melling? I remember him being the only one in manila beating the filippinos regularly...

Just adding one thing:

Wu is the best player in the world in my opinion and I'm sure he will prove himself in the next years...time will tell...
Looking forward seeing him at the top again after all he has been through...
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Agree with wu his a monster .. But so his ko pin yi and few other Taiwanese guys and le hewen great player also .. But wu my fav to watch
 
jwilliams said:
You seem to be missing the point here.
At no point and time did I ever say they were "odds on favorites to win."
And I've reiterated it several times.
So either you're illiterate or you're being obtuse.

And my statement in regards to the bet, was that it's a one time bet. It's not a re-bet every year. You wanna bet 8 to 1, on a one time bet that none of them ever win, until the last one retires or dies. Deal!
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Now that's just silly. And of course their not the favorite, that's why you got 5/6 players and 10/1.
You must bet by the year. And as a matter of fact I got so much trust that they cant win you got 10/1 this year. And right when its over you can bet for the following year at 11/1, I'll raise the odds every year. Please.
 
dynamite said:
No Melling just played 200-300$ sets he back and forth against c players over there Melling much better tournament player than he his for money

I think am the only guy to go there and win money I come away 15k winner in 2007 after 3-6 months there .. Played around 30 big matches 2k$ min bets sometimes 10k$ bets I played the likes of lee van Corteza i won big set.gabica, i was slightly ahead .Jerome Pena i was ahead ,Carlo biado he beat me 9ball so i doubles the bet and beat him at 10ball . since then we just bet small.kiamco played many times 8ball i beat him alot , he got the edge in 10ball..Jeff de Luna i beat him alot,Gomez i win,and many more in big sets I won more than I lost .. I played efren and busta etc cheap sets they had the edge in those small sets ..was amazing experience ..

To someone else's question about Kiamco his a great money player he beat Shane big in Manila and many other players and he recently drilled Jayson shaw.. Very quite man so ppl underrate him ..
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Kiamco..The warrior...Straight shooting lil rascal..
 
jwilliams said:
The only reason you don't see any of the people I named is because the only tournament any of them actually play in is the US Open because there's not enough sponsorship money in pool to make it worth traveling halfway around the world.

But whatever...think what you want...I'm done with conversation, because it really is true that you should never argue with a fool, they'll just drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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You can't quit!:wink:

You have been trying to defend something quite the opposite of what you say above.

A mere handful of Asia's best have chosen to play US Open. Fewer will come now, sadly...as a result of the payment issues.

It is insanely difficult to go to a foreign country and play your best pool. Never mind the jet lag- from Asia, takes at least 4-5 days to adjust- then there are language and food and Visa and getting around issues. Not worth the hassle, especially when you add the Berhman factor.
 
dynamite said:
Tournaments on current form world wide past 2 years I will exclude myself lol.

1.orcullo most consistant player worldwide
2.jin Lin Chang great 8ball,9ball,10ball player
3.lee van Corteza great 9ball and 10ball player
4.ko pin yi great 9ball and. 10ball player best breaker I ever see.
5.wu chia Ching can't leave him out even though he just come back
6. Bustamante still going strong great all around player
7.shane v Boeing but need to prove himself outside of USA .amAzing dedication
8.ralf Souquet even though last 18months not played his game ..
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Daz might know a little about the current status of our game.
 
all wiil be good, as lonfg as i get to see svb and ko throw down!

i hope jcin's silence here is a positive indicator.
 
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