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I'm probably the most patriotic American on this forum. :D

That said, the United States needs China in today's global market as much as China needs the United States. I have statistics I could provide, but I don't feel like digging them up, as far as trade in the past, today, and projected future.

Check out this diddy on 60 Minutes ---> HERE

We are not having a economic discussion
IYHO what constitutes being a American just being born here ?

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Bobby is not a dealer. and what Bobby says should not be considered any more than here say at best I don't recall Jack ever posting something negative about you cases I could be wrong if he has said something to your face that's not any where near the same thing


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So what?

You don't have to be silly about this. You don't recall? Yes of course I just made it all up and picked Jack out at random to pick on.

Not that it matters anyway what you think because you are just another anonymous and bitter person who is very much out of touch with reality. The wonderful thing about the internet is the access to information and the terrible thing about the internet is the access to computers by people who should never allow their thoughts to be typed out for public reading.

Let me ask you a question now that you have labeled me a traitor to the United States.

How do you feel about Jack Justis traveling to China, teaching the Chinese workers in the Long Chan case factory how to make his cases (they already knew anyway), taking money for this, and selling Chinese made "Justis West" cases?

Is Jack a traitor as well for doing that or just a partial traitor?
 
So what?

You don't have to be silly about this. You don't recall? Yes of course I just made it all up and picked Jack out at random to pick on.

Not that it matters anyway what you think because you are just another anonymous and bitter person who is very much out of touch with reality. The wonderful thing about the internet is the access to information and the terrible thing about the internet is the access to computers by people who should never allow their thoughts to be typed out for public reading.

Let me ask you a question now that you have labeled me a traitor to the United States.

How do you feel about Jack Justis traveling to China, teaching the Chinese workers in the Long Chan case factory how to make his cases (they already knew anyway), taking money for this, and selling Chinese made "Justis West" cases?

Is Jack a traitor as well for doing that or just a partial traitor?

Unless your one on my Xs I don't have a bitter bone in my body . Traitor is extreme my point is in my book if your not living working or paying taxes here and you choose to do that somewhere else than you should be a Citizen of that country not this one
Farming out labor is another issue all by its self one has nothing to do with the other

The great thing about the Internet is it offers a platform for people a avenue of information both good and bad at the end of the day the truth usually comes out for all to see


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Unless your one on my Xs I don't have a bitter bone in my body . Traitor is extreme my point is in my book if your not living working or paying taxes here and you choose to do that somewhere else than you should be a Citizen of that country not this one
Farming out labor is another issue all by its self one has nothing to do with the other


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So then tell us how you feel about Jack farming out labor to China for his own cases and even partnering with a Chinese manufacturer to make a version of his cases here?
 
Get off your imaginary high horse
As far as I'm concerned if you live and own a company in another country your not American in my book in fact I would consider you a defector possibly even a traitor People like you should have to relinquish their citizenship unless their military government contractor working for a American company
As wise man once told me your either with us or your one of the enemy


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I've read a lot of stupid stuff on here over the years, but your post wins hands down. congrats on your win.:rolleyes:
 
We are not having a economic discussion
IYHO what constitutes being a American just being born here ?

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Unless you are Native American (remember them?), all the rest of us are immigrants to this great county. And yes, according to the laws of this country, if you are born here, you ARE an American. You stay an American till you renounce your citizenship. Whether you personally like it or not. Your personal animus towards John is coming more and more into focus. If you choose to continue your personal vendetta, take it to NPR. Even better, PM's.

Lyn
 
Well maybe you can enlighten me on what you think a American is since I'm so stupid


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Well for starters, if you own one of those, I would call it a good start.

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We are not having a economic discussion
IYHO what constitutes being a American just being born here ?

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Since natural born citizens are American by birth and do not ever have to take or pass a citizenship test just being born in America IS what constitutes being an American.

But I think that you mean being an American should be MORE than that. I agree. Being an American should first and foremost be about being willing to stand for the values enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. It should be knowing what those documents mean deeply and being willing to stand up for them wholeheartedly. It means fighting for the freedom espoused in those documents and not denying that freedom to any other human being regardless of where they are from or happen to be.

That to me is what being an American is all about. If you want to deny my freedom to live and work where I choose on this Earth and call me a traitor for it then you are not an American at all.

Being an American in China means that I am beacon of hope for the people I meet. They see my freedom and ability to move around the world as I choose to and understand that a place exists on the earth where the government does not restrict the common people's ability to live and work where they want to. They understand that there is a place where the common man can speak out without fear of being censored. I show them a different way of being, a different way of working together, a different way to think and be creative by example. I give them credit for their work, don't treat them like parts in a machine, encourage them to flourish and stretch their wings. In other words I bring the American pioneer spirit and the spirit of creativity and can-do attitude into these people's lives. I am a living example for them of what is possible.

Conversely I learn a lot about deep deep deep roots and culture and family and clan values. I learn about people who can trace their own family roots easily back farther than before America was formed. People whose ancestors have lived in the same area for hundreds of years and who not only preserve the memory of those ancestors but pay tribute to them in reverence year after year. How can anyone be flippantly dismissive of a people whose family history goes that deep? When here I learn that the people are NOT the government. The government is simply who is in power now, the people and their ancestors have lived through many governments and still managed to preserve their heritage.

So you can call me a traitor if you want but I see myself as an ambassador bridging cultures, giving them some of ours and taking some of theirs. And I am doing my tiny part to insure that the people I meet have a favorable impression of America and Americans.
 
Traitor is extreme my point is in my book if your not living working or paying taxes here and you choose to do that somewhere else than you should be a Citizen of that country not this one

I guess all the large U.S. corporations that store their cash in banks overseas so they don't pay taxes either are also traitors? John is no more anti-american that you or I so get over yourself
 
All of a sudden, this thread is getting interesting. :p

Yes JAM I'm still waiting for this American to give us an answer. He wouldn't want to be associated or support any traitors watching his foreign made TV.
 
i feel sad to read many things said here....im embarassed to see so many fellow azers that are racists...Racist coments should get a ban...it should me in the rules!
 
Unless you are Native American (remember them?), all the rest of us are immigrants to this great county. And yes, according to the laws of this country, if you are born here, you ARE an American. You stay an American till you renounce your citizenship. Whether you personally like it or not. Your personal animus towards John is coming more and more into focus. If you choose to continue your personal vendetta, take it to NPR. Even better, PM's.

Lyn

And actually even the Natives were not "native" to the North American continent. Humanity originated in Africa so we are all genetically linked whether that makes us uncomfortable or not. As for geographical borders and political systems and patriotic rah rah nonsense the fact of it is that some people win the "birth lottery" and happen to be born in countries with a better climate and thus have a better shot at a good and safe life. People don't ask to be born they are simply born and while their lives CAN play out in infinite ways it's pretty much established that for most people the arc of their lives is heavily influenced by where they were born and who they have as influences in their lives.

I was dirt poor as a child at times, spent my life in an out of foster homes, shelters, homeless living in a van, traveled the country many times before I was 14. No one on this forum needs to ever tell me what it means to be an American. I had a fairly tough childhood at times and didn't have a lot of prospects. But one thing I was lucky to be born as was as white American. I didn't know it growing up but being a white American gave me a certain advantage in the world. After traveling the world and meeting so many people from so many cultures I understand how lucky I was to be born a white American. I have never suffered any sort of discrimination, never been treated poorly because of my race and nationality, never been racially profiled, never been harassed or otherwise hassled because of my skin color. So I take being an American as a fortunate privilege that was gifted to me by fate.

I choose to use that status to be an example of what I feel an American should be, fair, upstanding, willing to speak out against injustice, wiling to lend a hand, willing to build what needs to be built, willing to fight for equal rights for all humans, willing to work hard for what I want but not willing to steal for it.

I was given this status by birth and I feel I have to honor that fortune by showing everyone I meet what being an American citizen is all about. I am not proud that my countrymen enslaved people, that my countrymen committed genocide against the indians and legal abuses against minorities. I am proud that my countrymen fought for freedom from tyranny, that they established a democratic republic with ideals worth preserving and that despite the horrific practices we once allowed we are as a people able to deal with them and try to make amends to continue towards the goals we set when establishing the United States of America. As an American I feel it's important to recognize our flaws as much as it is to celebrate our finest attributes. We thrive by constantly bettering ourselves as individuals AND as a nation.

That to me is what being an American is about. Anyone who thinks that being an American means building a wall around the country and shutting everyone else out and ignoring the rest of the world is foolish. America wouldn't even exist if it weren't for foreign aid to the fledgling nation and a two hundred year-old dependence on foreign immigrant labor.

This all goes so deep but the bottom line is we are all connected as human beings. My blood is your blood and yours is mine. We can compete and fight and kill each other but in reality we can't deny the fundamental truth that we are all born the same way, we all shit the same way, we all have sex the same way, we all are the same with just a different "theme" overlaid on the soul.
 
i feel sad to read many things said here....im embarassed to see so many fellow azers that are racists...Racist coments should get a ban...it should me in the rules!

That's by no stretch of the imagination a racist comment , just because I feel if you don't live in the country pay taxes here work here or contribute in any way to this country that your not American in my book your American decent .
There are plenty people in other countries who support our constitution and beliefs that does not make them American
And buying products outside the country does not mean your not American thats been going on since the days of Tea buying that's a different discussion

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Well it is said that imitation is the highest from of flattery,but when JB imitates he become the target of some witch hunt.
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But if some one like a Cue maker build a Southwest, Blabushka, Gus Type Design, or Tribute Cue there is no witch hunt. Just a lot of comment on how wonderful the tribute, or Fake, or Faux Cue is.

John Barton IMHO has done more innovative Cue Case Design in the last five years than many Case Maker who keep doing more of the same have done in a career. JMHO

Wonder why.
 
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That's by no stretch of the imagination a racist comment , just because I feel if you don't live in the country pay taxes here work here or contribute in any way to this country that your not American in my book your American decent .
There are plenty people in other countries who support our constitution and beliefs that does not make them American
And buying products outside the country does not mean your not American thats been going on since the days of Tea buying that's a different discussion

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Um, you do know that Americans who live and work outside the USA still pay income tax don't you? And if they maintain property in the USA they pay property taxes.

In fact many Americans are doubly taxed, they pay income tax on their foreign earnings in the USA and in the country they are working in.

Just seems like you are not aware of that fact. You can use Google to look it up.

And you're right many foreigners support the American Constitution which effectively makes them MORE American in spirit than actual American citizens like yourself who trample on the Constitution in the misguided belief that you are a true patriot.
 
No. Take my word for it. Here is the most recent time that Jack's number one dealer/investor/friend/spokesperson said it and Jack didn't bother to correct him then or any other time he has said it.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=323122

Frankly, JB, your word doesn't count for squat.

To put this in the proper context, you made the following comment about Wrldpro: "BTW all you have to do to be a pro player is call yourself one."

In response, Wrldpro wrote: "yep. and all you got to do is be a case designer that cannot make a case all by themselves without any help and you can call yourself a casemaker"

Based upon this frivolous exchange of insults between you and Wrldpro, you apparently decided to copy a Jack Justis case and then use your "Justis Case Replica Project" thread as a launching pad to defame Jack Justis' cases.

As you said in your bogus "Apology" to the forum, you're in the business of making leather cases, not nuclear missiles...however, one would never know that from your ongoing rants and tirades.
 
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Frankly, JB, your word doesn't count for squat.

To put this in the proper context, you made the following comment about Wrldpro: "BTW all you have to do to be a pro player is call yourself one."

In response, Wrldpro wrote: "yep. and all you got to do is be a case designer that cannot make a case all by themselves without any help and you can call yourself a casemaker"

Based upon this frivolous exchange of insults between you and Wrldpro, you apparently decided to copy a Jack Justis case and then use your "Justis Case Replica Project" thread as a launching pad to defame Jack Justis' cases.

As you said in your bogus "Apology" to the forum, you're in the business of making leather cases, not nuclear missiles...however, one would never know that from your ongoing rants and tirades.
What is your obsession with John Barton? I've never seen anyone post so many JB quotes.

You either have way too much time on your hands or some kind of sick man crush on the man.
 
Frankly, JB, your word doesn't count for squat.

To put this in the proper context, you made the following comment about Wrldpro: "BTW all you have to do to be a pro player is call yourself one."

In response, Wrldpro wrote: "yep. and all you got to do is be a case designer that cannot make a case all by themselves without any help and you can call yourself a casemaker"

Based upon this frivolous exchange of insults between you and Wrldpro, you apparently decided to copy a Jack Justis case and then use your "Justis Case Replica Project" thread as a launching pad to defame Jack Justis' cases.

As you said in your bogus "Apology" to the forum, you're in the business of making leather cases, not nuclear missiles...however, one would never know that from your ongoing rants and tirades.

Frankly PSA, Public Service Announcement, your opinion doesn't mean anything to me. Everyone knows that there is no official criteria for being a professional player so anyone can technically call themselves a pro player.

The JackPack member's response was just another attempt to discredit me and he has challenged me many times to make a case prior to that comment so I am simply taking him up on it. And there was no exchange of insults as I offered no insult to anyone. The very fact that the JackPack followed me into a thread about Apple computers shows that they are monitoring my posts and looking for every slight opportunity to knock me.

And yes, we are in the business of making cases, so cases are going to be made. What do you make other than noise?
 
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